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Drudge Report Red Alert: Rand Paul joins the Amnesty movement (secure border then do amnesty)

WASHINGTON TIMES: "Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

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"I would stand and physically protect

him [Dr. Paul] with my own life. He is the greatest American of our time."

Fuck man. Made me tear up.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

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Consistent with Ron's view...

Consistent with Ron's view... Ron has many times stated that "immigration" is not the problem, social programs are the problem. For all you super constitutional types, please point to ANY place in the constitution where it grants immigration regulation to the feds... It only talks about naturalization. Immigration was free back then and it still should be. It's the social programs that are killing us...

Beware the cult of "government"...

I agree to an extent with the Christian Anarchist

The Constitution does grant the Congress the power to regulate the migration or importation of persons, but that power only applies to the States that existed prior to 1808. I think that means 14 States. For the rest of the States, the power to regulate immigration is reserved to them.

Yes, social programs are the biggest magnet. They should be abolished. In the meantime, do you think that every person in the world has a "right" to come to this country. What if 1,000,000 Soviet citizens came here during the 50's? Would that have a positive or negative impact on individual liberty? Under our current system of huge swaths of public property and the failure to protect private property by the government, we can't have mass movements of people without, on net, decreasing individual liberty.

Ron Paul

Voted against amnesty every single time.

In addition that Nordquist idiot actively campaigned against Ron.

You can think what you want, but Rand just marginalized himself with everyday non-Libertarian non- open border no- amnesty types. Big Fail

You are right

Free access to the system and all of its services is what drives it. Close the system to illegals and end the minimum wage. If they want to come on over and compete for jobs fine. I should be able to get the cheapest labor that will satisfy my needs. I believe illegals get a bit of a raw deal. It's our system that is the problem. Where a person originates from has nothing to do with anything in a free market of labor. But it's completely different if they can get free access to our limited resources.
Of course politicians would never have the nuts to tackle those issues...it's probably not PC and I'm pretty sure it would make you "racist". Lol.

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Abolishing minimum wage would be wise if we had a free market..

But we don't. If we had a free market, most of our workers would be making much more than $7.25/hour. As it is, upwards of 1/4 of those working are paid minimum wage. If minimum wage had kept up with the true increase in the cost of living since 1968 it would currently be $19.70/hour, and if minimum wage had kept up with the increase in productivity it would be over $22/hour. In a true free market, if workers were paid a fair wage for their work, wages should keep up with productivity increases. As it is, many workers pretend to work because their employer pretends to pay them!... and they aren't paid enough to live without relying on government assistance.

We need to have a true free market, instead of the corporatized mess that we have, before we get rid of minimum wage.

Scott

Are we learning yet ?

Hello, anybody home ? Think McFly think ... Rand is not Ron. Not Ron by a LONG shot at that.

we all know this game ( primaries , elections , voting ) is just to divert us from using our talents and energies for something truly useful to secure our liberty.

... and if you don't know that ... you are part of the problem.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

I want to hear Rand's

I want to hear Rand's position from Rand. I agree if he's switched sides on this its serious but I want to hear it from him not from his aids and certainly not from a pro-amnesty group.

WARNING, Will Robinson

For Rand's sake, I hope not ...

Apparently, the suspicions of Rand's detractors will likely be proven correct. His association with establishment Republicans and big business on this critical issue doesn't forebode well for his presidential aspirations or our country. I'll state this fact. Rand, either you back away quickly and unequivocally from this issue or you lose my support. Frankly, I'm pleased that any critical flaws in policy are revealed now, not later. I'll continue to work at all levels of government supporting worthy candidates so the balance of power is returned to government and presidential or gubernatorial goons are restrained or removed as appropriate.

This country clearly needs a political party focused on anti-amnesty, anti-biometrics, anti-snooping, anti-GMOs, and job creation by small businesses which translates into eliminating ObamaCare, etc ...

Poor Rand

Can the guy just SHUT UP and stop kicking himself to the curb!He's not in touch in the least!He is destroying himself all over the net.

Next...

Rand will announce he is switching to the Democratic Party and that we should nuke Russia and China as soon as possible and a free McDonald's meal once a day for all US residents. :p

Then once elected he will declare himself Emperor....

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

then he will slap a child, steal a dinning-room set

and invade Canada. To which all the anarchist will decree "see I told you so" and will nod to each other and go back to their hopeless, frustrated lives.

I feel left out...

Bunches of us Old Right jeffersonian minarchists like myself are poised to scream "we told you so!" too. :D

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

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Rand Paul: Why I’m voting no on immigration reform (2013)

For those of you with short memories…He's saying exactly the same things now as he said a year ago. Why people have their panties in a twist about it today, I do not know.

By SEN. RAND PAUL | 6/25/13

I will be voting no on the Senate’s Gang of Eight immigration bill for one simple reason: because the legislation does not secure the border first.

The American people desperately need immigration reform. Unfortunately, this legislation does not do the job.

Of paramount concern is what to do with the 12 million people currently residing in the United States who are in legal limbo. No one is seriously contemplating they leave, but conservatives believe that normalizing their status should only follow serious efforts to secure the U.S.-Mexican border. And I’m sorry to say that the Gang of Eight’s proposal is just not serious.

Any immigration reform must expand legal immigration and the work visa program so that we don’t find another 12 million undocumented workers here a decade from now. The Gang of Eight bill actually decreases the number of visas for agricultural workers. Haven’t we seen this movie before? If work visas are less than what the market demands, the workers will come illegally — and we’re right back where we started.

Earlier this month, I introduced an amendment to the current legislation. Known as the “Trust But Verify Act,” it would make immigration reform contingent upon Congress writing a strong border security plan, congressional votes on border security every year for five years, completion of a double-layered border fence, two new national security visa screening programs, and protection against any Obama administration attempts to force American citizens to carry around a biometric national identification card. My amendment ensured that Congress, and not the usual unaccountable government agencies, would verify that the border was secure.

My amendment was voted down 37-61 using a procedural vote, with seven Republicans joining Democrats to vote down the strongest border security amendment offered on the bill.

Read the rest: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/why-im-voting-no-on-im...

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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It was a terrible idea then as bit is now

20 million illegals given legal status through work permits equals legal citizenship through the liberal courts, it's dumb.

LOL!

Rand would sell his daddy out to be president and he proved that in 2012.He will never live that down with RP fans.

Rand Paul and his mixed words.

We have a major problem in Texas with over a 1000 illegals coming here daily.What would happen if 1000 illegals were going to Washington DC daily?They would call it a terrorist attack!!This is a real problem and we have got to secure the US boarders ASAP!

We should bus them to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Even book them a nice tour.

Then the busses can leave to pick up more.

I'm sure Michelle can whip them up something nutritious to eat if they get hungry.

Rand Paul is working with all ethnic groups

this in my opinion is a very smart move on his behalf. No worries Obama has his pen ready to sign and executive order to make em all legal at this point I am sure. Understand positioning my fellow awakened ones.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

poll numbers

his poll numbers have bombed since he started this stuff.

If he continues, he will never be president unlike his father who had at least a chance.

yellow headline

I also can't claim that Rand didn't "join the amnesty movement", but there's no evidence in the article posted and linked that he did "join the amnesty movement". It's an utter non-story. He participated in a phone call. He's called for immigration reform [or reform of immigration reform :D] since day one. This has always clearly been his big compromise issue anyway. Immigration has always been and will always remain an intensely compromising issue. It's the inherent nature of the beast. Rand is wise to see it as such and bold [and perhaps foolish :D] enough to act on it as such. He might not end up with the same outcomes at the end of the day, but at the start of the day he sees it much as his father does, hardly a primary issue of any sort really. It's a pile of offshoots from other issues. He's surely making a craps shoot in pretending to be such a paver of ways in such an emotional topic, but he probably has more to gain with it than he has to lose. Best of luck to him!

“We've been somewhat trapped by rhetoric and words, and amnesty's a word that has kind of trapped us ... We're trapped in a word that means different things to different people.” -Rand :D

Rand is trying to appeal to tens of millions of voters

This stance could possibly shift the balance in his favor.

I Stand With Rand, I trust he's trying to take the smartest way.

In my opinion, our main obstacle: electronic voting machines.

FOS

Rand is FOS playing politics as usual.He has no plans nor a vision.

Wrong. Instead Rand is carefully playing Tightrope.

Why are you trying to be a wind gust instead of his balance?

Rand Paul

Rand just hung himself with his tight rope.He's getting destroyed all over the net.

Tell that to Cantor

dude is a snake. why does he not talk about the rule of law and what is attracting illegals? Use it as a platform to discuss the root of the issue rather than just papering over it. I am all for immigration, but illegal immigration not so much. Again, Rand is a snake. If he is trying to appeal to millions of voters how is he any different than anybody else. We're doomed I tell ya.

I have never seen your screen name before today

So, on behalf of myself, I ask: who are you again?

PS. I have been a D.P. member for 2 & 1/2 years.

How Big is mine?

Member For
6 years 7 months 3 days

The Point Was

I have been a member 2 & 1/2 years, and the Rand-bashing comment was the first comment from you I had seen at the Daily Paul. I found that suspicious. If I was trying to play some kind of senority game, I would have looked at your profile before commenting. I don't play senority games.

Snake

He'll come out in the morning and spin it that he is just talking to groups. Dude is a snake.