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What happened to the Campaign for Liberty?

Back in the day the campaign for liberty site was on the top of my website "routine." Its been many years now since I have visited the site due to the decline in quality/relevance.

What has never stopped however is the CONSTANT begging for money from them. Always in Ron Paul's name of course. I have tried to spam them on my email but that didn't work. The emails just keep coming. "Ron Paul has a message just for you!" "Ron Paul Needs to tell you something important!" "If you don't donate, Ron Paul is going to die!" these are the subjects of the emails. At the end of the email, of course, there is Ron Paul's "Signature." These are obviously all written by the same person, you can tell by the writing style. aside from pointing out that they are obnoxious here are my questions...

-Is CFL even doing anything meaningful anymore?
-How associated is Ron Paul?
-Does he know they ask for money twice a week in his name?
-Hasn't Ron learned anything about letting people write things in his name? Cough* newsletters. Cough*

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the C4L

was what bridged us over from RP2008 to RP2012. Those of us who were new to politics were just so devastated by the election out come in 2008 we didn't know where to turn to next. C4L helped us link up with like minded people in our state and those relationships still continue. In South Carolina we still have our original state director. Talbert Black is well known statewide as THE person who singlehandedly keeps track of things going on at the state capital, brings them to our attention and engages us in meaningful action.

Much of what I learned about political activism came from the meetings that were held nationally by C4L. The St Louis and Seattle meetings come to mind.

There are still bi-monthly webinars teaching the ins and outs of picking the right battles and how to win them.

In some way The Dailypaul took over much of the "social networking" functions that people used the C4L website for and DP is at least a twice daily stop on my search of the web.

There is no successful political organization that does not ask for $. If an organization is not asking you for contributions, be very leery of who is funding them and what their real agenda is.

Peace and liberty,


Dr. Mike Vasovski
South Carolina Campaign Chairman, Ron Paul 2012
The SINGLE vote in the SC delegation for RP, GOP Convention, Tampa, FL
2010 Candidate, US Congress SC-03
Past Chairman, Aiken, SC County Tea Party

All good work from the Liberty Lobby --C4L

Some of the very active C4L members are the smartest and most dedicated activists for Liberty.

Get involved because the activists cited above,in the end, will be Ron Paul's lasting legacy.


how hard we were fighting for "End the Fed"? They are still fighting. Also IRS issue.

They are getting targeted by

the Internal Revenue Service, spending a lot of resources to stop the assault.

Good point

They must be doing something very special.The IRS is after them

I think they got as much

I think they got as much money as they could from people and have since toned back their operations. They still fill up my spam folder with pleas for cash though.

Perfect example of IRS targeting liberty organizations. I was...

...at the Rally for the Republic in 2008 when the Campaign for Liberty was officially launched.

It was an exciting day for liberty with lots of hope and support.

I hope C4L hangs on and is not destroyed as are most liberty movement since the time of Goldwater.

JBS is one small example of an organization which has hung on thru it all - God bless 'em!

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Their persecution at the

Their persecution at the hands of the IRS is probably causing them a lot of issues. Much of their resources are going to fighting them instead of advancing liberty nowadays.


..in between campaigns?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I miss the old Campaign for

I miss the old Campaign for Liberty. There were some great articles and discussions on their old website. When they revamped their site it was all gone, what a shame.

They need to open up the old archives and discussion forum;

They also needed to make a transition that would have allowed posters to keep their old password, username and user sites;

There was really no reason not to run both .com and .org;

They lost a lot of viable members and contributors do to the "clunky" operation of their new site;

They still have their archived site; All they have to do is reopen it.

It seems to me they have become very "sterile" and do not want outside input.

Try emailing back to their emails asking for money to promote "their" ideas to offer critic ... and get a busy signal.

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

I miss the old Daily Paul

I miss the old Daily Paul where people used to encourage each other's activism instead of attacking everybody that tries to make a difference.

hey now... thats 15 upvotes

People are still involved. Its just doesn't ramp up like it does around election season. That and Rand is who is going to run.. not Ron.

DailyPaul is still very relevant. When Rand stood for his filibuster the DP lit up like a Christmas tree. We are still growing. The British are calling themselves Libertarians for goodness sake.

Our message is winning. When the midterms heat up, Im sure the forum is going to light up once again.

DailyPaul represents more than activism. Does lose hope.. this house still throws a great party.


'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

I have to say I was impressed with the last email I got!

It was a great marketing technique. It looked like John Tate and Ron Paul were talking specifically about little 'ol me!

I honestly wanted to write to them and let them know how I enjoyed that. But then I didn't really want to encourage them.

haha. Glenn beck found my email and is doing the same ploy...

It is funny that within the last several weeks the talk show hosts are all in my email box with similar statements, I think somebody got a hold of C4L's mailing list....


Here is part of Glenn Beck's letter from Freedomworks:

Richard,(They know me by name!!!!) I read Matt’s (riiiight) email. And I couldn’t agree more.

2014 really is our last best chance to Take America Back. I know Matt, and I know FreedomWorks for America. They’re the best at what they do. And they can win. We're seeing it happen right now. Ben Sasse won his primary in Nebraska, and Chris McDaniel forced a 41 year incumbent into a run-off. That's HOW I know we can finally take our country back.

But if Matt's team is going to do it again, they need to raise $250k in the next 11 days.

Richard, I hope you’ve donated. But if you haven’t, will you help by donating $50, $35, or $15 right now?

......BLAH BLAH......And that means they need to raise $250k in the next 11 days. Will you help?

I believe in these guys. I know they can make a difference. They’ve done it before. But they can only do it with your help. Richard, if you haven’t donated yet, will you please join me and help us Take America Back?

Together, we can Take Our Country Back and make Obama a lame duck once and for all.

Your Pal,

Glenn Beck signature

Glenn Beck

P.S. If you didn’t read it already, check out Matt’s email below!


Just last week grassroots activists in Mississippi forced 41 year incumbent Senator Thad Cochran into a runoff with constitutional conservative Chris McDaniel. BLAH BLAH.....

......But if we’re going to take back the Senate, we need to start equipping them now - when it matters most. That’s why we need to raise $250,000 in the next 14 days.

Glenn, will you chip in $50, $35, or $15 today? Help us raise $250,000 and kick-start a Conservative Revolution! BLAH BLAH...

Will you help us do it?

In Liberty,

Matt Kibbe Signature

Matt Kibbe


Beck, Matt....junk bin ... kerplunk.


Hey! I would like to bring in 250k! Send $50 to us!

Better than dumping it down a conservative sewer pipe.

We'll start a "Constitutional" Revolution.... why stop at 250,000!?

Why not 10 million?! .... for Starters!!!!

American Patriot Party.CC

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Campaign for Liberty and the

Campaign for Liberty and the organizations affiliated with it (National Association for Gun Rights, Right to Work, Foundation for Applied Conservative Leadership) are not dead. Many of the people who just pulled off the victory in Virginia were part of this network. The same is true to a slightly lesser extent of the Chris McDaniel campaign here in Mississippi.

Political organizations need money to operate. That's just reality. If you don't like that then you might as well complain about gravity or the weather. Unfortunately we aren't able to print money like the Feds do. If you would like to arrange some excellent political training and find out how to become more effective locally then go to http://facltraining.org/facl2/index.htm for more information.

Good to see MS

have McDaniels. I called an operative on the gulfcoast that worked with me on the 07 campaign. He stayed involved and gave me the run down when i called him a few nights ago. He gave him a big two thumbs up.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

They should know that we can

They should know that we can never accumulate as much printed money as the money printers do.

Revolutions are not won because of money.

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

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My first and only question with political solicitations:

Where does your organization stand on undeclared wars of aggression, occupying wars, empire building, and wars that never end?

If they cannot answer that question to my satisfaction, the conversation doesn't last very long.

I still get their solicitations in spite of

"unsubscribing" several times.

if you successfully got yourself removed from their snail mail .

...from their snail mail list, please share with us how you did it. Thanks!

Send money

I knew a guy who ran a public interest lobbying organization (now defunct). Basically, he would scan the legislative hradlines and send out a fundraising letter to his list saying "we must support/defeat such and such bill" - send money After the vote, he would send out another saying "good/bad news" such and such was passed/defeated send more money. Didn't really do anything effective - except raise money. Eventually, his main backers (the Kochs) pulled the plug. Not saying CFL is exactly the same but I don't perceive it to do anything effective- except raise money.


They fight legislative battles that align with Ron Paul's

priorities up on the hill. I don't think they are just begging for money and not doing anything with it. That said, they are not as good at marketing and engaging the populace as organizations like Young Americans for Liberty.

Tu ne cede malis.

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