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Rand Paul: Secure the Border

I've been concerned about Rand's stance on our porous border and illegal immigration.

Needless to say, I'm pleased by today's Op-Ed.

by Rand Paul

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.

I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president.

My plan will not give the president the authority to simply declare that the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the president doesn't get around the law.

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I have made my decision.

Open all borders and end the US federal government.

Nice Fantasy

When they put you in charge let me know.

Otherwise no open borders until the welfare state stops making me pay for them. The endless giveaways to Obama voters and now 12 million illegal immigrants is destroying the country and washington uses it as an excuse to enslave us further.

I've afraid you are playing into their hands.

The Definitions of Tyranny

Declaration of Independence, 1776 - Thomas Jefferson
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3rd Grievance

(one of the Definitions of Tyranny)

He has refused to pass other laws for the "accommodation" of large districts of people,

unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature;

a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only

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7th Grievance

(one of the Definitions of Tyranny)

"He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states;

for "that purpose" obstructing the laws for "naturalization" of foreigners;

refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither,

and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands."

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Thomas Jefferson said it well - Kentucky Resolution 1798

Thomas Jefferson said it well - Kentucky Resolution 1798:
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"8th Resolved.....that the friendless alien has indeed been selected as the safest subject of a first experiment; but "the citizen will soon follow", or rather, has "already followed", for already has a sedition act "marked him as its prey": that these and successive acts of the same character, unless arrested at the threshold, "NECESSARILY" drive these States into "REVOLUTION and BLOOD" and will furnish "new calumnies" against "REPUBLICAN" government, and new pretexts for THOSE who wish it to be believed that man cannot be governed but by a rod of iron: that it would be a dangerous delusion were a confidence in the men of our choice to silence our fears for the safety of our rights: that CONFIDENCE is everywhere the parent of DESPOTISM — free government is founded in JEALOUSY, and NOT in CONFIDENCE; it is JEALOUSY and not confidence which prescribes LIMITED constitutions, to BIND DOWN those whom we are obliged to trust with power: that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the LIMITS to which, and >>>NO FURTHER, our confidence may go;

and let the honest advocate of confidence read the Alien and Sedition acts, and say if the Constitution has not been wise in fixing LIMITS to the government it created, and whether we should be wise in destroying those limits, Let him say what the government is, if it be not a TYRANNY,..."

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

He sounds just like

an establishment Republicrat who would like to give them amnesty, but talks the same old securing the border as the first step. Also, knowing amnesty will be included in the bill 'with stimpulations', he knows won't be followed. We have laws to secure the border, and they haven't been followed, since, Eisenhower. He makes no mention of the need for a major welfare reform, that is bankrupting many states, and prevents Americans who may really need a little help do to the Corporatist outsourcing of industry/jobs from having the ability to receive it. I'm not saying I'm for welfare, but if anybody is to receive it, it should 'only' be American citizens. He should be stating that Obamacare would never have passed if it wasn't for the millions of illegals being treated throuch the ER's, never paying a dime, causing those who pay to have increased prices for healthcare.

He will not talk about the need to cut them off from the social services (welfare), because he's in bed with the evangelicals apostates, who have traded Christ taught individual Liberty for statism, allowing the ministers to keep more money for their personal use. The evangelicals have probably, also, been caught in the 501c3 trap, where their greed of money, forces them to comply with the establishment or lose their tax free status, thus losing their Mercedes, Mansions, and Church palaces, sending money to their idol Israel, ect.

How will he secure the border

How does Rand plan to carry out securing the border something politicians have been promising for years. Why did we not have this problem prior to Johnson's Great Society? The idiots are raising the minimum wage around the country. This will cause a new labor force of illegals. Welcome to La La Land.

Mike Benoit

He Can't

The whole 5-year plan for congress to declare the border "secure" is dangerous at best. It will just be more lies and less secure borders.

BTW are you the Mike Benoit I just voted for in my district? Thanks for what you've done for our area, if you are him!

He might be smart to point

He might be smart to point out that the scheme behind Democratic amnesty and pandering is to create more Democrats. Call the bastards to the carpet for putting politics over common sense.

Why does everyone care so much?!?

The fact that immigrants, legal or illegal, are coming into the country doesn't really seem to be a problem to me. But a gigantic welfare state, rampant wars, which both lead to massive taxing (slavery) are actually worrisome.

There are 12 million illegals. Lets just say that 50% are leaching off the system. That would be about 2% of the entire USA population. Comparing to the 50 or so million that are on food stamps or in other words, leaching off the system, I think you can see where the problem is really at.

That is correct. It is simply another way to control "us".

Just imagine if 12 million illegals were to stop buying food, stop renting (yes they do pay for rent), stop buying gas, stop buying cloths and other items which they do on a daily basis;

Some communities would fold as their main economy is supported by "illegals";

The further fact is that taxes are always transfered to products in which the "illegals" buy, therefor even though some may not fill out a tax form, they pay the burden of tax indirectly;

The further fact is, the states have allowed them to enter without much issue, and have not made a serious attempt themselves to curtail it;

Then people and states expect the federal government which has no authority to prosecute more than the 4 crimes allowed them in the Constitution, to do it for them; "after" the illegals have already integrated into theirs and other states which are equally passive?

Not going to happen; and it is not the issue:

See Below Posts and:

http://www.pacificwestcom.com/immigration

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

the border

"Strong border security includes using cutting edge technology. Satellites, physical barriers, screening to bar criminals and terrorists from entry, increased patrols on the border—and yes, surveillance drones—all should be part of a comprehensive plan to physically protect the border. My plan is to take specific measures at the border and then have the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General's Office produce a report to Congress on the progress of border security."
-Rand Paul

Sounds like something out of Judge Dread. And who pays for this? If his dad was concerned about the fence also keeping us in, what about all this other stuff?

Rand Paul's Police State

Mark my words Rand Paul is a tyrant. You solve the border issue with increased legal immigration. Migrant worker programs which would include criminal and medical background check. Processing fees, and prepaid medical insurance prior to entry and of course auto insurance if they are driving. Work visa persons will replace illegals and they will have to start self deporting. Ending all social programs, including public school, for non citizens and then one day for all as well. Amazing how spending less money and allowing more freedom will solve this instead of another government program Rand.

Mike Benoit

Wow

The only thing that can save his image is if he goes further an explains "securing the border" include a sweeping overhaul of the Welfare system.

That would shut up any of the weary supporters he may have lost today, because whether anyone believes it or not, he lost a large chunk of Conservative support today.

Enforce Current Immigration Laws

Right, Rand needs to explain "securing the border" and "reforming immigration" with extreme precision. Since it most likely includes a biometric ID at some point, I sincerely doubt that he will. Compromising with Bloomberg's group wasn't a smart move. The USA ALREADY has all the laws necessary for "securing the border". Reforming immigration is simply a euphemism for something else, something further, something beyond current law. As many have already said, we don't need to REFORM immigration. We need the ENFORCEMENT of current laws on immigration and mitigating the attractors, e.g. the US Congress' penchant for welfare and warfare. Rand and the rest of his peers in the US Congress can start by IMPEACHING the Attorney General.

Rand joins the amnesty ranks...

...that'll do it for me. He is now the establishment.

Longtime Internet Poster

Dry up.

Rand's Newest Email Oh Great! another "5 Year Plan"; Now Rand.

What is it with politicians?! -

Rand: "If it doesn't work in 5 years...."

Why can't he make something work in a week?!!! BECAUSE HE/THEY CAN'T! They are attempting to stop the unstoppable because "the border" IS NOT THE PROBLEM! The Mexican Government is the problem! The regulations on Business in the US and Zoning in the US which limits free growth and true free trade is the problem!

Here is the latest email from Rand as he attempts to make a us against them issue; when actually it is just his ignorance against their ignorance:

VIA: rand.paul@randpacusa.com

"Dear Richard,

President Obama has taken a bad situation and turned it into a debacle.

Due to his lawless executive orders, a crisis on our southern border exploded as tens of thousands of immigrant children have streamed across our border and illegally entered our country.

This is why I voted against the Senate's comprehensive immigration reform bill and continue to oppose the House of Representatives bringing that bill up.

That so-called "reform" failed to secure our border and left the door open for President Obama to refuse to enforce immigration laws.

Securing our southern border once and for all should be the number one goal of any immigration reform.

So I hope you'll take a few moments to read the op-ed I authored on Breitbart.com about my detailed plan to secure our nation's border.

In Liberty,

Senator Rand Paul (R - Kentucky)

P.S. After you read my op-ed, please sign your "Secure the Border" petition demanding Congress place securing our border at the top of its priority list.

Click to sign

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Rand Paul: SECURE THE BORDER

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama Administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here legally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.

I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the President.

My plan will not give the President the authority to simply declare the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the President doesn't get around the law.

My "Trust but Verify" plan will ensure that our border is secure. Under my plan, national security and border security will move as the first element of any reform and would require annual votes of Congress to establish that the border is truly secure. No other reform could go forward until this happened.

In addition to increased border security, our nation needs to modernize our visa system. We need to know who comes and goes on travel, student and other temporary visas. There must be a workable system to ensure that visitors don't use travel visas as a way to enter the country then disappear. This will address the problem of visa over-stayers.

National security has to be a cornerstone to any border security and visa reform initiative. Our nation needs to look back at the September 11th Commission Report and study the recommendations with regard to terrorist's use of visas to commit acts of violence against America. The 9/11 hijackers used visas to enter the country and to stay here while planning attacks.

Strong border security includes using cutting edge technology. Satellites, physical barriers, screening to bar criminals and terrorists from entry, increased patrols on the border and—yes, surveillance drones—all should be part of a comprehensive plan to physically protect the border. My plan is to take specific measures at the border and then have the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General's Office produce a report to Congress on the progress of border security.

My plan takes border security a step further than anybody else in Congress. Under my plan, Congress will vote every year on border security. If Congress votes that the border is not secure, elements of immigration reform will cease to go forward and visa programs will be slowed. If Congress does not think the border is secure after five years, every element of immigration reform will be stopped.

Our nation is a nation of immigrants. Throughout history, our nation has been flooded with immigrants who have moved here with a flavor for the home country, yet they have assimilated into what we know today as America. That idea, and the American Dream, must be protected and preserved.

Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States. Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come here, work hard to make a new life in a fee nation. As a libertarian minded Senator, I am attracted to the idea of somebody coming to this country with a couple dollars in his pocket, and then through hard work, make the American Dream a reality.

I do not support amnesty, which is why I don't support our current system with no border security and a blind eye turned from the problem.

I support legal, not illegal, immigration. We must embrace immigration and immigrants, and recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make better lives for themselves. However, our current system is broken and we cannot move towards reform until our border is truly and fully secure. "

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Apparently, Rand believes the bars need to be securely locked on our cells so we can't get out to hurt ourselves.

Freedom = Open borders:

READ IT: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/immigration

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Rubio and Jeb say secure border first then amnesty

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/05/marco-r...

Rubio and Jeb say secure border first then amnesty

Rand joins the movement.

In my opinion

Rand is bowing to blackmail. We have all the laws on the books to preclude illegal immigration right now. Because Obama isn't following the laws on the books is no reason for more immigration reform. Why the congress isn't acting to stem the tide of illegals, children or not, should be the issue. It's typical Cloward and Piven. Overwhelm the system and create chaos.

The thought doesn't escape me that if the government can let 1000's of guns across the border ending up in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels, while the cartels are shipping drugs back over the border, what's to say the government isn't trafficking in children? Where were these children held before they came over the border in mass? Who would allow children to be dropped off in the middle of a city, left to their own devices? Obama gets the PR he wants, pedophiles get what they want.

Imigration reform does not equal immigration enforcement

So Its just a play on words.

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Matt Drudge dropped the

Matt Drudge dropped the ball.

The bold red headline was clearly inaccurate. He knows better...

It is up to the STATES to secure their own borders.

The federal government only gets in the way;

States need to rearm their militias (citizens) and let them take care of it. It's their responsibility.

The federal government cannot govern police outside the 10 miles square of Washington DC.

READ IT: Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:
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The underlying problems of employment in the US isn't illegal aliens;

It is ridiculous regulations on private business and zoning laws that limit and prohibit growth;

Outlaw zoning and get rid of government fees to start and operate private business and there would be no unemployment.

Read Also The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798, in response to the federal Alien and sedition laws once passed by the Federal Legislature and then NULLIFIED:

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

But it is up to the Federal

But it is up to the Federal Govt to secure international borders according to the constitution.

In protecting against enemy's under a Declaration of War - ONLY.

In protecting against armed invasion by enemy's under a Declaration of War ONLY.

The federal government can set "a standard" for immigration, The states must "CHOOSE" to implement it; the federal government has no constitutional authority to enforce it, because the federal government can prosecute only "4" crimes;

Immigration isn't one of them.

Thomas Jefferson - Virginia Resolutions 1798:
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"....2. " Resolved, That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish:

a.) treason,
b.) counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States,
c.) piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and
d.) offenses against the law of nations,

and >>>> NO OTHER CRIMES >>>"WHATSOEVER";

and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, not prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people,"

therefore the act of Congress, passed on the 14th day of July, 1798, and intituled "An Act in addition to the act intituled An Act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States," as also the act passed by them on the — day of June, 1798, intituled "An Act to punish frauds committed on the bank of the United States," (>>>> and ALL their OTHER ACTS which assume to CREATE, DEFINE, or PUNISH crimes, OTHER than THOSE so "ENUMERATED" in the Constitution,) >>> are "ALTOGETHER" "VOID", and of "NO FORCE";

and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains SOLELY and EXCLUSIVELY to the respective "STATES", each within its own territory..."

Also see these limitations: Virginia Resolutions 6-16-1788:
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George Nicholas:

"Treason against the United States is defined in the Constitution, and the forfeiture limited to the life of the person attainted.

Congress have power to define and punish:

a.) piracies and felonies committed on the "high seas"(ONLY), and
b.) offenses against the laws of nations;

but they

(APP: the federal government, legislature or supreme court)

CANNOT DEFINE or PRESCRIBE the PUNISHMENT of "ANY OTHER CRIME WHATEVER", WITHOUT "VIOLATING the CONSTITUTION"."

I do not see "cheating immigration" laws as one of these crimes. It therefor is a "STATE" ISSUE "EXCLUSIVELY";

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John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Shoot! I gotta look more

Shoot! I gotta look more into this...

This is the first time I'm hearing this. I always thought the Federal govt had jurisdiction over these 5 areas:

1. Securing the borders (international borders)
2. Regulating immigration
3. Regulating international trade
4. Coining money or maintaining sound money.
5. Maintaining a military.

So you're saying I gotta scratch off #1 on that list?

Although I'm not pleased with

Although I'm not particularly pleased with his latest clarification, securing the border is definitely necessary. The other problems will simply mitigate themselves over time with "secure" borders. I do NOT want biometric identification under any circumstances to apply for a job in this country. I want the majority of illegal aliens left outside the borders and the trafficking of illegal aliens punished. "Securing our borders" means much more than physical security as it implies removing attractors. Over the past several decades, "secure" borders have been promised during every grant of amnesty. Obviously, the USA has a problem with the definition of a "secure" border. Given the current trend, the problem will resolve itself once more prosperous countries blend into less prosperous countries, a futurist glimpse of a global economy based on global poverty.

Rand's tweet:

Senator Rand Paul ‏@SenRandPaul 10m

My position is what is always has been -- Real border security necessary before any reform.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

A Tweet

Is not going to cure the Red Alert headlines all around the web.