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Iraq smells as if Russia’s hands are all over it.

Is it just me……or does this thing have a really bad feel to it?

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I am looking for a polite way to say that you are not smart

enough to argue with.

"if the people you know there were pro Russia……that’s what you would walk away with"

So you are telling me that I am too stupid to think for myself? Like a leaf in the wind the wind I am blown around by what my friends think? Really?

YOU might waver so easily, but I don't. I happen to have Ukrainian friends that are on both sides of this issue and I think for myself.

YOU on the other hand have clearly determined a conclusion and are simply trying to make the facts fit. I don't agree with your conclusion so I must be easily swayed by my friends or I have a closed mind huh? Quite the contrary actually.

There comes a point its time to stop arguing because the person you are arguing is either not bright enough to continue, or too stubborn to think rationally. We have reached that point and you match one of those situations.

This debate is over. Strut if you like, like the pigeon does, but you have not won.

The 25 down votes this thread has gotten ought to tell you something.


Really not smart enough huh?

Aren’t you the one who brought up the fact that because you were there you had some insight I was incapable of understanding…….really…..you are too smart to argue with me. You just got you ass handed to you and now you want to walk away as if this is beneath you…..oh touché comrade!

PS: there was nothing polite about your post……just another smart ass ignorant punk!

"Before we can ever ask how things might go wrong; we must first explain how they could ever go right"


It's not that I won't criticize Russia

but I recognize when a topic plays into the next plans for war and spending. Suddenly interjecting Russia into the world's problems is very trendy with the mainstream media right now.

Defend Liberty!

No, that smell is...

...from US hands being all over it. Al Qaeda was non-existent in Iraq prior to the US "liberation". The lunatics are running the asylum when it comes to US foreign policy.

I think the devil himself is,,,,



Take your pick

Take your pick of several countries, peoples, leaders of foreign militias, etc etc that would love to have their hands involved in watching the US get overwhelmed/embarrassed with conflicts trying to be policed around the world.

A side benefit for all the money masters is that they can get busy while the sheep are running after the feed wagon.

Naw, its the Saudis

They had been supporting these guys in Syria, and didn't like that Shiites controlled Iraq.

Its pretty clear that everything that has happened since the 91 Gulf War benefits them. It was Saudis that did 911, with help from inside the US, and then all of the actions of the US government.

Haven't been able to figure out exactly what leverage they have over the US, but it must be something more than oil. It may be that Israel somehow has its fingers into the Saudi Government.

Saudi Leverage Is Probably Related To Child Trafficking

Kidnapped And Stolen US Children Given To Saudi Arabian Royals.

That Is All I Am Saying. Ask Bush Sr. After 1,000 Waterboardings.

you have to open your mind to the possibility

Ron this was suppose to be a response to Jet.

"Before we can ever ask how things might go wrong; we must first explain how they could ever go right"


The Saudis were only

The Saudis were only nominally involved in 9/11. Yes, there were "Saudi" hijackers, or Mossad agents disguised as Saudis, but ISRAEL was much more involved. You people love to ignore the dancing Israelis don't you? Caught with truckbombs, lied on polygraphs, and you still ignore it.

I think there was Israeli involvement

But exactly how much, and the link with the Saudis is not clear to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK6VLFdWJ4I Watch this to learn more. This is a low budget but fact based documentary. I wish he would make a book out of it, just because there is so much evidence implicating Israel, and its hard to put it all in a film that is only a little over 2 hours long.

I would speculate: there are factions from a variety of nations

who were involved in 9/11 (ranging from our own and Israel's to the Saudi Arabian's, and potentially others as well) One of the reasons I would be inclined to blame the U.S. Government first is because of the immediate results of the event, in particular the frontal attack through the Patriot Act on the Bill of Rights.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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I believe you

The patriot act came into existence right after the OKC bombing,that
didn't go off as planned (there were 3 more bombs found inside,that didn't go off) so it sat there waiting for the next big event,which just happened to be 9-11

Leave an indelible mark on all of those that you meet.
OH... have fun day :)


They wanted to destroy Iraq and Syria and have pretty much succeeded. Keeping the Saudis and Israelis happy is pretty much the main priority of our mercenary foreign policy in that region. The public pays the costs of Empire while elites reap the profits and that is the way it has always been.

Keep smoking that

Neo-com, yes communist, as Trotsky was a communist or really totalitarian, and there's nothing really conservative about those folks. They are against anybody who doesn't abide by their form of democracy, which is really Corporatism. Then, we have those who don't want to be sold as being weak on foreign policy, like Cruz, Rand, and Lee, who are stupidly playing the anti-American foreign policy game, that only favors the Rothschild Banking Cabal.

Here, learn about the 'Rus', who created Russia, and established them as a Christian country, and the real story of Vlad Putin.
These are excerpts from the book 'The Talented Mr Putin', that outlines the gist of the Rothschild hatred of Russia and how Putin has been defeating their agenda. http://tomatobubble.com/id550.html

They're more Stalinist than Trotskyites...


Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

CIA= Certainly Involved Always!!!


CFR= Control From Rothschild



I see no gain for Russia in this.
more likely a CFR restart to continue the conflict.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

That is about the dumbest thing I have read here!

It's on a par with Demoncraps blaming Bush for our troubles 6 years into Obozos' destructive presidency!

Bush was an idiot for sure, but only because he allowed his daddy and his babysitter (Cheney) to run things.

Sometimes it's the voices in your ear, not in your head and heart, that should be ignored.

Bush had good intentions, was respectful, and basically a good man, but TPTB can't allow anything but a puppet, idiot, or "yes man" playing patsy from the throne. Obozo is a perfect storm of all 3!

You want to blame someone for the madness and chaos in the world? Sometimes you have to look no further than a mirror.

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

Smells can be very deceiving

Smells can be very deceiving my friend.


Liberty = Responsibility

must be

because you know nobody in iraq has been shooting at our troops or making ied's or blowing themselves up.

Yes, I agree. We have only

Yes Smudgepot, I agree. We have only ourselves to blame here. We have been arming Islamist freaks in Syria against Assad, and since they haven't made much progress against him, they are increasingly turning their fight to Iraq.

Well ain't that interesting?

So this rumor was going around godlikeproductions types, this one shadowy guy said watch for this 4 part plan:

1. Watch for a muslim on muslim terror action in Karachi.

2. This would be followed by an Iraqi version of the Tet Offensive.

3. Next step is Iran gets involved.

4. Russia and China follow Iran in.

Looks like the guy is 3 for 4 so far.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Goldspan, The iraq issue is a manifestation

Of our involvement in Syria, where we have been arming the rebels which have been traveling across the non existent border between Syria and Iraq.

Abu Bakr who is the leader of Isis and essentially the commander and chief of the newly forming Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, has against the wishes of Zawahiri, started to consolidate territories gained from the Saudi funded attempted overthrow of Assad, and the regions that the sunni insurgency had gained in Iraq to an actual Islamic state.

It is not Russia who is responsible but Mccain, graham, Clinton and Obama, who tried to overthrow the syrian government, essentially on Israel's behalf, so that the shia land bridge(that was created by the Israeli sponsored overthrow of sadam) as well as iran could be weakened economically, diplomatically and politically.

The malaki government couldn't keep the sunni insurgency down when they had 50,000 American troops occupying the place. It should be no surprise that they are nothing but an empty threat now.

No, Russia is not involved with Iraq. This has been going on for three years. besides, Putin still thinks he can work with the Obama admin, despite continual efforts by the neo-cons, nuland and kerry to try and spoil relations.


Sea …..hey man and thanks for the more intelligent comment

Look I admit I haven’t done much research on this topic…..but this just doesn’t smell right to me. Beside the major disappointment from Washington (these guys are like the gang that couldn’t shoot straight) basically wasting the lives of thousands of our soldiers for what?........who knows…it’s done now.

Here’s the thing…..Putin is playing the US like a master…..someone said chess as opposed to checkers….I agree, but your analysis is the conventional wisdom…….the official story so to speak……my conjecture is looking past that…..and it is just conjecture.

But here is my understanding of the whole situation. In the Muslin world there are about 90% Sunni and 10% Shiite. The difference goes back to Muhammad. After his death there was a fight for control, by a brother and I think uncle for control (my apologizes to our Muslin friends here if I am botching this explanation, just going for big picture here). But that’s where the divide started and the wars. No different than the Christian Catholics and Protestants, most of you are too young to remember Northern Ireland. But back to the Muslins…..the Sunni’s treat the Shiites like second class citizens and they hate each other (unless you live in Kurdistan which is a more nationalistic area and both parties live in peace……they probably have a more common enemy …..their Nationalistic government.)
But once again back to the topic, the dividing line between the two groups is Iraq. Iran is a Shiite State, where 90% of the population is Shiite. Everywhere else are mostly Sunni States except Iraq…..there it’s about 50/50. This is why there is no solution to this……except to let it go to three states, Sunni, Shiite and Kurds. Turkey doesn’t want a Kurdish state because a large part of its southern border have Kurdish heritage.

The conventional wisdom here is to watch the players…….but really what is the game?

So look at the players here…..Syria, Sunni State, friends with Russia and we supposedly support the rebels, but the rebels are where the new fighters are coming from……wouldn’t they be our allies, but they are Shiites….which is what Iran is …..but Iran says stay away from us…..but a new Shiite state where terrorist can launch attacks against other is exactly what, I would think Iran would want, a puppet they can control. But isn’t Russia and Iran allies……..a Shiite State…….sounds to me like Russia is playing both sides against the middle……which would be pretty smart…..way too smart for the current American administration……… if Russia is playing both sides against the middle…….what about the chemical weapons in Syria…….why did that fall off the radar screen, if the Americans were guilty…..it wouldn’t have gone away so quickly and quietly……I think Russia was behind it….once again conjecture.

I think it’s all about pipelines…..Russia is losing control of this market and it’s not just going to sit around and watch it happen……Russia…….doesn’t want any pipeline to run from Qatar to anywhere in Europe through anywhere…….doesn’t matter where…….so……start a bunch of little civil wars and problem solved…….Do not buy the conventional wisdom here......the game is pipelines……Russia is doing this. They are like the mafia Kingpin that feels the noose tighten around their necks…..and start killing everyone to keep their kingdom. My interest is this is the currency reserves they hold……right now it is still in their interest to hold them…..but soon it may not be…..and then we will have to pay the piper for all of our sins……our external debt.

"Before we can ever ask how things might go wrong; we must first explain how they could ever go right"


I have no doubt that much of the geo-strategic interest

That the super powers and Israel has is pipe-line centric. It would be very bad for israel and Saudi Arabia and then the west by default to allow Iran to pipeline its oil directly to Europe.

That is why all the mess about Assad.

The rebels in Syria are mostly Sunni. There used to be a Free Syrian army, but they have been completely marginalized by Iraqi veterans of the Sunni insurgency.

Remember the ethnic cleansing of the Sunni population from Bagdad by the malaki government in 06-08? Those veterans make up the lions share of those fighters in Syria and Iraq.

I think the major point to stress here is that the rebels in Syria and the the insurgency in Iraq are the exact same group of former al-queda, fundamentalist, dream of a non-national Muslim caliphate, etc... Soldiers.

I do not think Russia worry about pipelines as much as the us. If Iran develops its pipeline directly to the Mediterranean, you can forget about the Qatar Saudi monopoly on the oil market.

the problem is that malaki may not be a complete puppet, but he is manageable. And while Assad would have made the European pipeline possible, the unintended consequences of the insurgency gaining in force is going to cause the collapse of a manageable state in Iraq.

It is not going to be a shia state. There is already a shia state there. It is going to be the boogey-man Muslim caliphate that George bush warned about if we didn't invade Iraq. The one that was going to take over the Muslim world and turn woman into second class citizens and stone people.for being gay, etc...


I knew this would bring out the conspiracy kooks,

But this is why I am only responding to you……you know where I am coming from.

I heard what I think was the most intelligent analysis on Bloomberg radio the other day regarding Ukraine. I wish I had listen more intently, but I thought I would just look it up later….well I can’t find it on Bloomberg now. The gist was something like this, Russia feels justified in taking Crimea because the Ukrainian are stealing gas from the pipeline and owe Russia a bunch of money. Russia seized Crimea because that’s where the pipeline is. Then you have the Europeans negotiating with Ukraine for better prices that Ukraine can’t supply without getting gas from Russia. This is why I think Russia hands are all over the Iraq and Syria situation……this is why I think it smells bad.

Here read this article…..don’t underestimate the game.


The conspiracy kooks can’t get their heads out of their own asses long enough to smell anything else.

"Before we can ever ask how things might go wrong; we must first explain how they could ever go right"


Thanks for the article

Good read. Very valuable information.

I don't know why people on the Daily Paul are so pro putin and Russia. Its like they are statists just as long as its not the us that they are supporting.


You noticed it too huh…..”Great minds”

Watch the video I posted up the thread..you can skip the first 37 mins….but make sure you start at min 49…. I think that’s the meat of this videostarts, at least for the topic at hand. Just don’t do it today……spend the day loving your kids… I know you do, they have a great dad! So Happy Father’s day my friend, we can come back to this some other day.

"Before we can ever ask how things might go wrong; we must first explain how they could ever go right"