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Learning more from the DP

Yesterday I made the mistake of sharing my thoughts about religion, control and how specific groups may have taken advantage of "believers" in an effort to achieve their goals.

I've since learned that a majority (at least a significant plurality) of posters here treat religious texts as neo-cons treat the corporate GOP platform.

It's disappointing and discouraging.

I hope the open-minded among us are able to influence this plurality (maybe majority) in understanding that what led Dr Paul to fighting the lies and corruption was first questioning those who controlled the narrative.

To those of you who ask questions: DON'T STOP!
To those of you who don't: WAKE UP!

Do you really think that the evil which controls this nation is only 101 years old?!?!?



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I hope you don't deem it an utterly complete mistake.

I had fun with it. I also felt I directly addressed your concerns in my comments over there. Everyone here sooner or later learns that no matter the details of what is written, if the topic is related to religion, abortion, or drugs, extreme reaction will most assuredly follow. i_vote_here's comment below made that point well. I also find some insight and wisdom in DaleinAdaOklahoma's comments.

I do though, like how you have injected Ron Paul here, as reference to general analogy. That popped into my head [before reading your post here] as well. I disagree with I_vote_here on that, for in the long run it's perhaps axiomatically beneficial to bring up Ron Paul. If nothing else you and I are reminded of him, and he's been a pretty worthy role model to emulate in going forward from wherever we're at and doing better with remaining tolerant and sane in the face of extreme opposition. You did quite well in the Lucifer post at remaining sane and not aggressing toward other's beliefs. I think I did well too, but what I liked about DaleinAdaOklahoma's comments here is that they helped me see how I can yet improve. He did shine some relevant light...

What the heck, this still remains apropos [and it always reminds me of RP]...

http://youtu.be/DoUKr38wi8s

If neocon treat the GOP platform like a religious text

then there is a problem.

You said you wrote your other post as entertainment. Religion isn't entertainment to many people. It is a conviction and belief far beyond any political goal. For many it is the primary reason we look for truth in all areas.

Do not bring the good Doctor's name into this. He has never attacked religion or asserted that Lucifer is a good guy.

You take yourself and your theories way to seriously.

You are telling people, who aren't awake, to wake up. I'm guessing they are "asleep" because they didn't throw away their faith when you "corrected" the religions we thought we knew. Do people normally just drop their faith or belief in something based on your theories and thoughts? I seriously doubt it.

I for one read your post, and it was at least entertaining. There was no reason for anyone to feel offended as far as I could tell. It was simply someone's (your) opinion and theory on a subject, nothing more and nothing less. Maybe I have it wrong, but it changes when you start telling people that they are 'asleep' because they don't change to support your view on such matters. Your opinion carries no more weight than my opinion.

I personally don't see how any of this is helping bring liberty to this nation. There are way too many people who want to blame the faithful for the mess we are in. Religion didn't get us into this mess, and neither did the faithful. Don't turn your personal peeves into the liberty pinata, it doesn't work that way.

In my view religion is part of the same control mechanism

I don't think anyone needs to embrace my theories. the post was written for entertainment.

My concern is with the immediate attacks on contradictory information. It's very Left Vs Right mentality... very black and white.

I think this is the biggest problem with our nation and the rest of the western world... we want to neatly package everything into a side vs side thing and the world isn't black and white... it's 99.8% gray with only .1% black and .1% white.

No one's faith is invalidated if there was an actor-change at intermission of the play. The hostility seems indicative of ignorance.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

Seems as though you are just as guilty..

Your side is "awake" and the other side is "asleep". Sometimes we have to admit our own ignorance instead of simply trying to find the ignorance of others. Your opinion and my opinion on the subject are completely at odds, yet I feel no need to tell you that your opinion is wrong or that you need to 'wake up'. Opinions, much like excuses, are just like assholes, we all have one, and they all stink.

BTW..who is controlling me through "religion"? How about going deeper into how you think religion is somehow guilty of causing our nation to be in the shape it is in. I would like to hear it. Just let it be known, there are a lot of us who wouldn't even be in this fight if it wasn't for our 'religion' or faith. Me included. Perhaps you might just learn something yourself, and the least of that will be that you are just as guilty of the paradigm you rail against.

there are way more than "2 sides"

I accept guilt and ignorance... That's part of "waking up"

Religion in and of itself is a great idea... the problem is that hierarchies arise within religious groups and those create major problems. Honest religious individuals are generally good people... but once a power structure emerges within a sect, the religion is corrupted and words become tools of power. A church is essentially a semi-voluntary mini-state which taxes members and provides services in exchange.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

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Believe in yourself

Most things that feel right,do not confuse,and go down easily and
are usually right.
People have an inner voice,and it steers one in the right direction,speaks the truth,and leads to to truth.One will have problems by ignoring it.
Most trust others,more than themselves.
D

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Your mistake is to take other

Your mistake is to take other people's opinions personally.

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