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Losing My Religion

As a conscript inducted into the Southern Baptist regime in the 60’s and 70’s, I’ve had a pretty good taste of what it’s like being indoctrinated by traumatic mind control techniques. With the rod rarely spared during my upbringing, this was also used as a primary tool of reinforcement.

Today, it appears that the “fire and brimstone” propaganda employed during my youth has since been diluted to a doctrine more tolerant of our “evil” ways. With our politically correct censorship culture, I suppose that this form of marketing practice has been found to be more effective in keeping the coffers filled these days.

Due to my past, I am not unsympathetic to the plight of those under the influence of religious false constructs and just how far they have been taken. Consider this to be an attempt at deprogramming from inconsistent and downright harmful belief systems. Strong negative reactions to this information could constitute confirmation of a captured mind.

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Hmmmm....

Religion is to spirituality what government is to society.

No train to Stockholm.

Cyril's picture

If by "religion" you mean its oft-degenerated form

If by "religion" you mean its oft-degenerated form as a man-made establishment, then yes, I agree, it pretty much is (... similar to what government is to society).

It is often useful to go back to some etymological clues, btw:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

And indeed, "establishment" is nowhere to be found, for as far as the root for the noun "religion" is concerned.

(Hence, your good point, IMO)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Barnum Effect & Gullibility

A common reference point as to why people believe the advice of psychics and astrologers - not to mention many other nice things said about them - is the "Barnum Effect." Named after P.T. Barnum, the name 'Barnum Effect' comes from the fact that Barnum's circuses were popular due to their having "a little something for everyone." A misquote often attributed to Barnum, "There's a sucker born every minute," is not the source of the name but is arguably relevant.

I will always claim to have had "a creator" since that will not allow The State to think it can somehow be the ultimate authority or that it grants me privileges rather than me having fundamental rights based on being a human being, but there is no way I could ever go back to believing in something so completely ridiculous as what most people call god.

Anyone that has taken the time to RESEARCH the origins of government, and the TRUTH behind things like the FED, the MIC, the war of terror, etc has the same opportunity to RESEARCH the origins of religon (all religions) and gain a very logical and rational explaination of why the stories in the bible were created (by man) and continue to be perpetuated on the masses to this day.

The only people who remain stuck in old religious dogma just refuse to dig deeper because they don't WANT to know the truth. A lot of people "need" the fantasy that religon offers. They can't come to grips with life if they thought this is the only life we have...so they keep fooling themselves and swallowing the propaganda. I can tell you from experience that knowing the truth actually allows you to live a much more fullfilling life and you feel even more free.

The first few months are strange but once the uneasiness passes, you look back and smile wondering how in the HELL you ever got sucked into such nonsense.

My wife and I have honestly never been happier and more content with our lives than since we tossed the chains of religous dogma. The shit you have been told all your life just ain't true. Sad part is most religious people already know this...but they don't care. They are irrationally scared that something bad will happen to them or that "its the devil" talking. But, more people are waking up each and every day. I say Amen to that!

stop being a child

"The only people who remain stuck in old religious dogma just refuse to dig deeper because they don't WANT to know the truth. A lot of people "need" the fantasy that religion offers. "

There are countless people who " dug deeper " myself included, and found out religion was not a fairytale but an actual historical truth. It is your own fault than you remain stuck in a cry baby adolescence because you came from a strict upbringing in a Baptist background. It is time for you to grow up and learn your history. You can start with the ante nicene fathers, which is a 10 volume set of books of all the collected writings of the Church fathers before the year 325 and then proceed on to the Cambridge University Medieval History set.

http://www.amazon.com/Ante-Nicene-Fathers-10-Set/dp/15656308...

http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Medieval-History-vol-Foundat...

So freestater...

you honestly believe that a snake communicated verbally with Adam and Eve, that a female virgin became pregnant, gave birth and remained a virgin, AND that a man who was dead and buried for 3 days miraculously came back to life?

If so, YOU have been brainwashed and contiune to promote a bunch of hogwash!

If an actual creator God

If an actual creator God exists, which much evidence suggests, than that is actually rather simple compared to creating the entire universe. Once you've understood that part, Resurrection is really not that hard to consider, not to mention all eyewitness testimony suggests that the Resurrection did happen. It has nothing to do with brainwashing and everything to do with following the evidence.

Vatican's ex-ambassador to Dominican Republic defrocked

Józef Wesołowski, who was recalled to Rome by Pope Francis amid allegations that he paid for sex with minors, found guilty in canonical trial.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/vatican-defrock...

SteveMT's picture

"Losing My Religion".... and gaining control over ones life.

Religions born of violence and of slaying entire civilizations without mercy will themselves suffer the same fate as is happening now. A violent god makes for a violent man. A rapacious god makes for a rapacious man.

The words of Jesus are as radical now as they were when they were first written. Whether these words were spoken by an actual person named Jesus is not known and is irrelevant, imo. Whether fictitious or not, the teachings represent an ideal that no one can truly attain, only aspire to. The message is much bigger than the man.

Every evangelist and preacher today still does not believe the words of Jesus. If they did, none would be soliciting for donations. The Church also did not believe these words as evidenced by the Crusades, the elaborate architecture of the Churches, and putting people on a guilt trip of living simply while they live lives of luxury and debauchery.

If you believe in a Supreme Being, you should feel good about that belief. You should not have to justify any bad behavior by that God for He is perfect, not given to violence, murder, revenge, and slaying. 'God commanded killing' is an oxymoron, imo. God would do it Himself. Read "The Age of Reason," and start feeling good about God again.

Welcome to your birthright,

Welcome to your birthright, reason! Congratulations on breaking free. Its never easy, but wow is it worth it.

Religion is dead.

Relationship is life.

To have a relationship with God you only have to ask for one. Admit that you’re a sinner in need of a Savior and that you believe He died for your sins, and ask Him to be your Savior. Romans 10:9 says That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

That’s all it takes to begin your relationship with God. He’ll send His Holy Spirit to dwell within you in return and as you listen to what He tells you your relationship will grow closer for as long as you live.

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/how-can-i-get-...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

The problem isn't with God or faith

the problem is religion in general. I too was raised Southern Baptist, and still attend sometimes. The Southern Baptist convention, much like all denomination governments, meet to decide what making a good "Christian" requires, which isn't necessary by any means. Quit worrying about religion, and worry about living a Christ like life, with the knowledge that God sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins.

While I don't agree with any one denomination of the so called "church", I do enjoy fellowship with other people who struggle to live a life in the model that Christ left us. Simply understanding that denominations and preachers don't decide my ultimate salvation has made me a better person, and a breath of fresh air at church. I was always seen as a "rebel", and have been called such on many occasions since my youth. My rebellion wasn't against God or the teachings of Christ, my rebellion is, and remains, against the decisions of men who must think they know better than God. That rebellious part of me will never die.

The fact is, I spend a lot of time drinking cold beer and wine with my preacher, and have learned a lot. His son and I are great friends and they have a cabin at same lake we frequent. Preachers are human too, and much like most governments, the Southern Baptist convention can be ignored, and often are ignored. We happen to have one of the churches that encourages and help the dances at school, and yes there are the mentions of drunkenness and the potential pitfalls of alcohol and the such, but to ignore these pitfalls would require a "Shepherd" that truly didn't care. As my dad always said, "When in doubt, read what is printed in red, those are truly the most important words in the Bible."

Religion doesn't worry about what is in red, religion in general wants control. It's up to you as the individual to differentiate between the two, and to live a happy life through one or the other, or any healthy mix that leads you down the narrow path. A bad experience, at a "bad" church, doesn't take away everything that Christ did for us all, nor does it invalidate the Faith that people carry throughout their lives. If it wasn't for my faith, then I wouldn't be on the DP, nor would I care about the issues that we discuss and fight for and against. I am certainly not a victim, nor do I seek revenge against a church that helped me along my journey. I pitty those that do.

"religion" is a bunch of *man made* rules ment to make ....

hypocrites and the self-promoting types feel good about themselves while they disdain and condemn everyone else.

Faith, on the other hand, is realizing that the good and perfect gifts come from a loving Heavenly Father who is best represented in the person of Jesus Christ.

Please read my post,
http://www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-victor-over-the...

and feel free to comment here:

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Denise B's picture

Very well said!

I loved the post you linked to and wanted to thank you for your comments to me on that post but could not reply for some reason. So, thank you and God Bless!!

I've noticed there are other threads that you can still get to..

but can't comment on either. I think maybe it is to keep the bumps on vintage posts from going on endlessly, but a moderator may have more to say on that. You are welcome. God Bless you too!!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

A million

Thumbs up! My thoughts exactly.

Religion is interference by other men between one and God

I left religion at 5 years old and never looked back.

We don't need interference from others when tapping into the divine spirit of existence. Other men get in the way with their learned ideas eager to entrap one into their mindset for their own pecuniary advantage.

Religion is an exit ramp off the highway to God.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Sorry to hear that....

I am sorry to hear that you are losing your Faith in Christ. I felt the Love of Jesus as a youth, and liked going to church. My Lutheran Pastor was a man of God; one of the most Holy men I have ever know in my 57 years on this good God Blessed and created Earth.

While serving in the United States Army years later, I felt The Holy Ghost Call me to the Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). That was back in 1977.

I later served my two year Mission; today I help in the Church Library. What helps me stay close to Jesus is reading from The Holy Bible; this will be the 5th yer in a row for me to read the entire Holy Bible (King James version); I also read from The Apocrypha, The Pearl of Great Price, The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Book of Mormon; they each have a different unique portion of The Spirit of The Lord. Those who do not read from each miss out on some choice spiritual attributes.

What also helps me is reading one verse each time I start my car every time I start my car.

If you get to the point where you are spiritually hungry, please visit different Christian churches on Sundays, including the Mormon Church one Sunday; perhaps you can find one that you feel more comfortable in.

I would respectfully recommend a church that teaches the Ten Commandments; churches that do not mandate the Ten Commandments and assorted other Commandments like Tithing, and Chastity, tend not to grow their flock spiritually.

The Lord Jesus The Christ reaches out to us many times in our lives; may you find a church home that will help you grow in His Grace.

You might enjoy the movie trailer for my Indie movie; "Sisters Go Ye trailer 2" on Youtube.

May your journey be filled with His Love and Inspiration.

Only Repentance, and Faith in the Atonement of Jesus The Lamb will Save our Beloved Constitution.

Try reading one verse before you start your car.

Please view my Indie Movie; "Sisters Go Ye Trailer 2" on Youtube

The clergy are representatives of God...

was brought up in the article. Part of it reads "With few exceptions, these are some of the most greedy and characterless people in America today.While pretending to lead their flock to the light, they say nothing against the loss of liberties for fear of losing their tax-exempt status."

If any clergy is greedy and characterless they are not following the God they represent. They represent Satan,not God. True followers of God are leading their flock to The Light/Jesus and yes, sadly many are not saying anything about the loss of liberties, but I wouldn't say it's because of the fear of losing their tax-exempt status. For some yes, but others are not seeing the bigger picture,don't want to see the bigger picture,etc.

I know of two Baptist pastors that supported Ron Paul when he ran for president. Chuck Baldwin http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/ and
Voddie Baucham http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/blog/why-ron-paul-2012-01/
Chuck Baldwin is a bold brother in Christ that tells it like it is. His fellowship is not a 501c3. Take a look around his website. I don't know how much Voddie says when it comes to our government, but him supporting Ron Paul tells me he knows more then most.

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

Losing your religion is a good thing

I don't have a religion, but I do have a relationship with the Creator of the universe.

"Religions exhort man to reach up to God and grasp hold of Him through their own efforts. Christianity is the only religion where God reaches down to man."

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christianity-unique.html

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

amen

good answer.

I Saw God

or at least, a reasonable facsimile thereof. But it wasn't like we tend to imagine.

Did some 'shrooms, was one of the most wonderful feelings in my life. Talk about feeling one with the universe, that'll do it. Prayer doesn't come close, and I've done my share of the latter.

Thus, I don't have a relationship with a 'Creator'...objectifying God (as separate from me/us) is....moot. That...mental construct....is a product of the human mind / physiology which sees creation as 'out there' and ourselves as 'in here'. There is no Creator...there is only Creation.

The Bible-toters on here can poo-poo this all they want. If you haven't done it...you don't know what you don't know.

Can't say that shrooms made me "see God"

but I can tell you that I eat shrooms about every six months. Why six months? Because I've noticed that a good dose of shrooms will open up my mind, make the colors of nature more vivid and loving, and put a loving calmness upon me that last for about six months.

Eating them is fun, especially in the right environment, but the real trip begins the next day. You wake up and the grass is greener, the flowers are brighter, the clouds prettier, and all wrapped up with an inner calmness that could never be replicated with pharmaceuticals.

As Mom always told me.."If God make it, take it and give thanks. If man made it, simply say no thanks."

These God given gifts are here for a reason, however taking them under the wrong mind set can lead to bad things. I follow the rules, and give thanks to God.

You saw Satan

not God http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-drugs.html

You said "There is no Creator...there is only Creation." So who created the creation?

Bible-toter, I like that. I have heard of thumpers,not toters.

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

How did Christianity begin...? As a mushroom cult

According to one scholar of the dead sea scrolls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Mushroom_and_the_Cross

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Your website can't be trusted.

Just as a false prophet is proven to be false with one lie, this website is absolutely false.

Question: "What does the Bible say about doing drugs?"

Answer: The Bible does not directly address any form of illicit drug use. There are no express prohibitions against cocaine, heroin, ecstasy (MDMA), or methamphetamines (Meth). There is no mention of marijuana, cannabis, peyote, magic mushrooms, or acid (LSD). Nothing is said about huffing, snorting, dropping, smoking, shooting, licking, or any other method of ingestion. This is not to say, however, that recreational drug use is permissible. On the contrary, there are several very clear biblical principles that place drug use well outside the realm of acceptable behavior.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-drugs.html#ixzz35rDsFs2G

You can divide these "illicit drugs" into two categories, man made and gifts of a loving God. So yes, the Bible does mention most of those items. Funny that they only list Cocaine, and not the Coca plant. How did they manage to get that one right, and none of the rest? God says that He gave us all seed bearing plants and herbs to use, and to give thanks. I would consider cannabis a seed bearing herb, wouldn't you? Sometimes a little to seedy I must say. God gave us peyote and mushrooms didn't he? God gave us the coca plant, and it definitely has its uses, especially where it is native.

The real answer above should have ended after the first sentence.."The Bible does not directly address any form of illicit drug use." You can't tell me that a God who knows all, FORGOT to mention illicit drugs, and that now man should make up whatever is deemed necessary to demonize the very plants that God tells us to use and give thanks for. Welcome to RELIGION, rather than faith and living a Christ like life.

God's Word can be trusted

He tells us this about our bodies in 1 Corinthians 6:19–20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit,which are God’s. So, even if it's something God created we can not justify consuming it if it alters our mind,etc. Also, things changed after Adam and Eve sinned. Death and destruction entered the world and that resulted in all of creation being affected.

Read more here:
Seed-Bearing Plants: For Food Or For Folly?
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2012/20121204.htm

I'm not sure if you read the following paragraph's from the link you call false,but this is TRUTH from God's Word:

Beyond stewardship, as Christians, our bodies are not our own. We “have been bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20), not “with perishable things like silver or gold . . . but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ” (1 Peter 1:17-19). Having bought us with His own life, Christ has delighted to create in us something entirely new, something somewhat bizarre. By indwelling us with His Spirit, He has turned us into organic temples of sorts. So now, caring for our health is not just a matter of good stewardship. It is a matter of reverential piety. To pollute or harm our bodies is to desecrate the House of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-17). This is both wondrous and terrifying.

Another biblical principle concerns our susceptibility to deception. As fallible creatures we are prone to delusion. And since we are the objects of God’s intense affection, His enemies are our enemies. This includes THE enemy, the Devil, the father of lies (John 8:44), a most formidable and determined adversary. All of the apostolic exhortations to remain sober-minded and alert (1 Corinthians 15:34; 1 Thessalonians 5:4-8; 2 Timothy 4:5; 1 Peter 1:13; 4:7; 5:8) are designed to remind us that we must be vigilant against the wiles of the Devil (1 Peter 5:8), who seeks to ensnare us through deception. Sobriety is also important for prayer (1 Peter 4:7), as is obedience to God (Isaiah 1:10-17).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-drugs.html#ixzz35s1d4L5V

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

How funny..

that your websites say that alcohol is OK of course, which I also think is true. But I suppose that alcohol doesn't "pollute" the body, and cannabis does? What a ministry! As long as you can copy and paste, you will be OK. Good luck with that "Devil Weed" ministry you got going on. haha

Enough of your ridiculous websites..

God said He was giving us ALL seed bearing plants and herbs to use, and to give thanks. Did He lie? Notice how I don't have to twist words, the message is just there? I don't have to point somewhere else and say, well this could mean this, or this could be talking about this. The FACT that God gave us all seed bearing plants and herbs to use speaks for itself. You are simply trying to force your faith in men over the word of God. Call it what you wish, I call it complete bullshit.

As to Satan

...you're gonna have a tough time using the Bible to convince me about the 'sin' of drug usage. I'm not a subscriber, so I wouldn't recommend making me your personal crusade. Been there, done that: the alter call and the adult baptism, full on submersion. It didn't take.

As to the shrooms, I wasn't hurt, and I didn't hurt anybody. We're all good here.

Having said that, I think the guys who wrote the Bible....oh wait, let's not be insensitive...Koran/Bhagavad Gita/Torah/Tao Te Ching/Book of Mormon/Pearl of Great Price... put together a nice set of stories. Interesting reads but nothing to get too worked up about.

Who created creation....hmmm...kind of implies that it was somebody other than 'us'. Why does it matter? IDK but I sure don't lose too much sleep worrying about it.

Been there,done that

I'm not planning on making you my personal crusade :) I'm just sharing. Going up for an alter call and the adult baptism, full on submersion, those do not save your soul. That's why it didn't take. We need to see that we are not good people in the sight of God and repent of our sins. If interested you can take this short test http://www.needgod.com/
to see if you are a good person. Also, if you like Beatles trivia watch
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/ This short movie was made with the intent of showing us our need for God.

I asked who created ceation because you said "There is no Creator...there is only Creation."

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/