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Losing My Religion

As a conscript inducted into the Southern Baptist regime in the 60’s and 70’s, I’ve had a pretty good taste of what it’s like being indoctrinated by traumatic mind control techniques. With the rod rarely spared during my upbringing, this was also used as a primary tool of reinforcement.

Today, it appears that the “fire and brimstone” propaganda employed during my youth has since been diluted to a doctrine more tolerant of our “evil” ways. With our politically correct censorship culture, I suppose that this form of marketing practice has been found to be more effective in keeping the coffers filled these days.

Due to my past, I am not unsympathetic to the plight of those under the influence of religious false constructs and just how far they have been taken. Consider this to be an attempt at deprogramming from inconsistent and downright harmful belief systems. Strong negative reactions to this information could constitute confirmation of a captured mind.

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Your love of crappy web sites is annoying..

I would tell everyone in the world to avoid needgod.com at all cost. Absolutely ridiculous. If I was an atheist and went to that website, I'd stay an atheist. Any "church" or "group" that tells their people they are required to hand over their wallet and be baptized in water to be saved, is way on out there. How could you possibly send someone who is already anti faith, to a place like that? Hell I'm offended by it.

Water Baptism
The Bible Says , "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. . ." (Acts 2:38). There is therefore no question as to whether or not you should be baptized. The questions are how, when, and by whom?
Giving to God
It was once said that the wallet is the "last frontier"-- that it’s the last thing that comes to God in surrender. But it should be the first, along with our surrendered heart.

I think it's offending you

because from what I am reading by your responses to me and others is that you are not truly born again. I claimed to be a Christian like you seem to be claiming, but I had a foul mouth, was fornicating, smoked pot at times and the list goes on. I believed in my head that Christ died for me, but there was no heart change, being born again. I was a false convert. Even the demons "believe" in God. James 2:19 says, "You believe that God is one; well and good. Even the demons believe that—and tremble with fear."

Don't Believe Like the Demons Believe!
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.8449529/k.6EA4/Don...

True & False Conversion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_vRvn0rRFY

The ministry LivingWaters that put together needgod.com don't state that water baptism and giving to God saves a person. You are misunderstanding.

Here is an article from their ministry clarifying water baptism.
Must One Be Baptized To Be Saved?
http://www.onthebox.us/2011/04/must-one-be-baptized-to-be-sa...

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

Again with the websites..

what offends me is that you try to preach a salvation that isn't biblical by any means. I have smoked cannabis, and I still do. God gave it to man, and I use it rather than pharmaceuticals made by man. Your judgment upon me is meaningless. You are sending people to this website, and if you answered the 8 questions honestly, no matter what it is telling you that you are doomed to hell. Have you ever sinned, or are you one that is without sin? According to your website we are all going to hell in a hand basket. Does it give you an option to factor in your 'being saved' or your current state? NOPE It just tells you that you are doomed to hell, and get ready to turn over your wallet and get dipped in the water. Don't believe me? Go do it and answer the questions honestly.

You know nothing of my life, and you sure aren't any sort of judge of mankind. You are the exact reason that some people are offended by "Christianity" and the judgmental people it sometimes produces. The fact that you must depend on web sites to tell you what to think, and how to live shows me that you are definitely part of a religion, and not a faith based on the word of God. You can keep your website ministry.

No more websites

Just the Word of God. You asked me "Have you ever sinned, or are you one that is without sin?" Yes,I have sinned and still do.
Romans 3:8 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You said "According to your website we are all going to hell in a hand basket." It's not my website, but yes, according to the Bible we are all headed to hell.
Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
There are many more passages on hell in the Bible.

You are not being truthful about the website I reference. I don't depend on websites to tell me what to think. I depend on the Bible. In Mark 16:15 the Bible says "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
God uses His people,websites,tracts and many other means to reach the lost. I believe all the websites I shared reference God's Word to share His Truth's. I'm sorry you don't see that.

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

I have to chime in here. The

I have to chime in here. The argument you're making against Dale being born again is the kind of thing that rubbed me way wrong when I was a Christian. You're saying one sin is worse than another. You're saying because Dale participates in certain sins and doesn't change his ways, he's not saved. However, your sins, which of course or the less obvious ones (lust in the heart, covetousness, jealousy, unrighteous anger, pride, etc.) are somehow acceptable.

I could say the exact same thing to you that you're saying to Dale. If you were really born again, you'd change your ways from that evil-doing. Filthy rags are better than what you're doing. Clearly you're not saved, because you're not perfect.

Of course the entire message of Jesus is that you can't do it on your own and you never will do it on your own, and he has to do it for you, and you just have to accept the gift. But somehow certain sins preclude people from being saved and prove that a person isn't saved.

Ridiculous.

Only God knows

if Dale is saved.

There are true conversions and false conversions. I explained I thought I was a Christian because I had head knowledge of Jesus. I knew what He did on the cross for me. Head knowledge does not save a person from their sins. The following shares what the Scriptures have to say regarding being born again and the life we should be living and desiring to live if we are born again.

"Those who are possessors of eternal life by the grace of God, obey Him. But those who don't obey the Lord, don't even desire to obey the Lord, don't want to serve the Lord, don't want to please the Lord, why would anyone think that person is a Christian?"

"Christ is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him. We don't keep ourselves saved by obeying Him, but obedience is simply proof that we are His sheep. If we had to keep ourselves saved, we wouldn't last long. We obey Him because we are saved, because we know Him."

I may have said in an earlier post I'm a sinner, but that was not correct to say. Read the folowing:

"Those who live in sin are sinners. Find one place in the Bible where God's children are called sinners after they are saved. Oh, we are not perfect. We are not perfect creatures, but we are new creatures. Sin is not the theme of our lives as it was before salvation. You will not find one case in the Bible where a child of God is called a sinner. The lost are called sinners, God's children are called saints and sons of God. This is not sinless perfection, but the domination of sin is broken."

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Romans 6:16-18).

Read more:
Those Who Are Born Again by the Holy Spirit Continue In The Faith
The Easy-Believism "Converts" Do Not*
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Introduction/truly.htm

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

Okay, so it's the same

Okay, so it's the same paradigm as the "scale in the sky" that many Christians use to show people that they're gambling with their souls, except now instead of measuring the good and bad of a person in order for them to be saved or get into heaven, the measure is how much they really believe and act as a result of their belief. How convinced in the heart, rather than the head, they really are, and how borne out their faith is in their actions.

How much is enough? What is so different now from when you had the head knowledge but were having sexual relations outside marriage? You're more convinced in your heart that you need Jesus and he's your personal savior? What about the times when you rely on yourself to defeat sins? Why aren't you more reliant and trusting in him at those times? What about when you indulge in a sin even though you know it's wrong?

"Those who are possessors of eternal life by the grace of God, obey Him."

"Christ is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him. We don't keep ourselves saved by obeying Him, but obedience is simply proof that we are His sheep. If we had to keep ourselves saved, we wouldn't last long. We obey Him because we are saved, because we know Him."

Can you really say you obey him? If so, how much? And how much is enough obedience? The statement "Those who are possessors of eternal life by the grace of God, obey him" is a black-and-white statement. You either do or you don't.

I think all you've really done is moved the goal posts, but by the theology you've pasted here, you're still failing to obey, I reckon.

Plus, I think once you adopt this theology of obedience proves salvation, you've opened yourself up to a world of pride. And you better get rid of that pride for good the first time it comes up, because otherwise you're not obeying, are you?...

I don't need your puny

I don't need your puny Yahweh, I worship Torm. Torm could easily kick the crap out of Yahweh. But even if Yahweh got a lucky hit in, Torm is a member of the Triad; he uses the buddy system. That means Tyr can step in while Torm falls back to get some uber-powered healing by Ilmater so he can get back to man-handling Yahweh. The fact is Christian, your nailed God is pathetically weak compared to almost the entire Faerunian pantheon. Heck he doesn't even grant his clerics spells. About the only special abilities Christian priests get is a +2 to the "Shameless Hypocrite" & "Bluff(self)" skills, and the "Legal Evasion" feat whenever molesting altar boys.

Yep

and this tripe is why you have absolutely zero credibility, and of course zero class. Funny how you anti Christian morons seem to judge every Christian with whatever headlines you can pull out of your ass, as if any Christians bad deed makes every Christian guilty. In other words, you must be too stupid to not paint (think) with an extremely wide brush. Your goals are obviously less about freedom and liberty, and more about being an antagonizing douche bag. Well goody for you.

Actually I write things like

Actually I write things like that because I love the angry hate-filled responses I get from hypocritical people who go around pretending to love everyone. I have rarely seen such thinly masked hate as a Christian will unleash in the face of mockery. To your credit though, I was expecting threats of eternal damnation and hell for my evil. That's what I usually get.

I also get immense entertainment value out of reading Christians write about ridiculous cartoonish nonsense which sounds every ounce as silly as the Dungeon's and Dragons pantheon; and yet, for you guys, this crazy shit is real! Like you really actually think there are winged, a-sexual celestial bird-men flying around in the clouds, and half-giant, half-demon berserkers designed by the arch-duke of Hell, Satan, in order to exterminate the line of Jesus. I mean this shit is insane enough to go into a fictional RPG, and yet you guys really BELIEVE it. It probably explains why my parents were so terrified of D&D. They thought it was real. HA!

I shouldn't make fun, but I can't help it! But its so damned funny! I guess being a dickhead to crazy people means I can't also believe in the NAP or work toward libertarianism locally.

And as if people who abuse

And as if people who abuse children are Christian, when Jesus condemned such things. That is like calling Lindsey Graham a Constitutionalist while he tramples it.

Ironically, this opinion piece is built on binary thinking.

Since I was in my late teens I've been witness to dozens of former "Baptists" talking about how ridiculous their upbringing was. While I was not religious in my teens or early 20s, I never made the massive leap into the "all religion must be B.S. because Baptist belief and practice is utterly atrocious". At the time, I considered materialism to be a sufficient explanation of all of existence and that morality was an accidental side-effect of a system that has no creator. Later, after reading some rather brilliant critiques of materialism from various philosophers, I abandoned materialism and then later ended up where I am now.

If a person assumes that the religion that they are surrounded by is the only one, and that therefore it is false than all the others are false without any inquiry to the noteworthy differences in what they teach, that person is more egocentric than he is enlightened.

Granted, I still think that Southern Baptist teachings are riddled with errors and outwardly ridiculous, but whenever someone uses that as an argument against what I've come to believe, I tend to view that person as an idiot, and when hearing their ignorance of what it is I actually believe that view is pretty strongly vindicated.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

From the linked

From the linked webpage-

"With America’s bloody history rooted in this religious propaganda that has been used as a bludgeon against non-believers since its inception, we are now hurtling towards a crescendo of reaping what we have sown."

Put down the drugs and pick up some history books bro. None of Americas " bloody " history has anything to do with religion, but everything to do with state warfare from the Secession that birthed us through all the world wars, civil wars, Vietnam etc..

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Ask the Natives about the Manifest Destiny.

Some of our bloody history has a lot to do with the belief of "God being on our side."

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"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I grew up in Virginia and North Carolina

My father was a Baptist minister for two years to repay the church for his scholarship with a major History and Religion -lots of great stories growing up but it became evident once I hit puberty that much of the bible was bull shit and now that I'm much older its clear organized religion is a total sham as Jesse Ventura had the balls to publicly state. I have no problem with people doing what they want to do as long as I get to do what I want to do..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

Save yourself :)

No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.

Buddha

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

that's a great comment

Thanks! Unfortunately, some will never stop believing in salvation socialism.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Educate us..

why is it unfortunate that I believe in salvation through Christ? Please explain my unfortunate position to me, since I must not be smart enough to know how unfortunate and pitiful I am.

Religion has nothing to do

Religion has nothing to do with the existence of God, ditch the corrupt man made organization and get personal with Jesus.

The book of revelation refers to the fake churches as the synagogues of satan. All men have a battle between good and evil in their hearts, and those that love evil will wear a mask of goodness to reap earthly rewards, but that doesn't mean God is not real, and you are not being tested.

Your point ?

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Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

I thought my point was pretty

I thought my point was pretty clear, don't let your loss of faith in man be confused with God. Many atheists point to the corruption in organized religion as being somehow related to the existence or God and salvation.

Proving man invokes the name of God to hustle his fellow man does nothing to disprove the existence of God, if anything it only backs up the bible's beating a dead horse on that subject. The bible is quite redundant on pointing out hypocrites, and corrupt "synagogues of satan".

I applaud anyone's desire to leave a bad religious organization and cut out the middle man between them and Jesus.

C'est la vie

I don't even want to get into this

As soon as you figure out that it really is all up to you the better off you will be

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Of course not..

your whole argument, and reasoning behind spewing filth at the faithful, just got neutered by the introduction of common sense and taking away your wide paint brush.

If people doing bad things "in the name of religion" somehow disproves that there is a God, then please share. But that isn't possible now is it. If a person, who claims to be Christian, does a bad thing, am I now guilty by association? Nope..

This is why militant anti theist are so easy to ignore and disprove. Their arguments are always bogus and normally boil down to personal attacks on someone simply because they believe differently. Their goals aren't freedom and liberty for all, they are perfectly happy trying to sneak bengay into the itch relief ointment. Immature and petty to say the least.

Hold on brother

I quoted the Buddah in saying that we are to help ourselves.

How am I " spewing filth at the faithful "?

I feel a lot of anger and hatred in your post BTW

I'll leave you with another quote from Buddah

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

Peace be with you ...

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!