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McCain not actually eligible for US President according to U.S. Law

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It was an overseas territory

It was an overseas territory of the united states, it wasn't the entire country of panama. By your logic Alaska is still Russian. What about the people born in Alaska, Hawaii, or Oklahoma in the early 1900's? They were not states yet. They were territories of the united states of america and thus anyone born there are naturalized citizens

Is it a technicality

Or something that is outside of what is left of our Constitution that could be legally challenged? We should use any legal tools we have left--we sure know every loophole and deceit is being used from the other side.

I think the point is...

Yes, people born on U.S. military bases are citizens. That is not the debate.

The debate is that the Constitution says to be eligible to be the president, one must be born INSIDE the borders of the U.S. and INSIDE the borders of one of the states of the Union; not just on land being used by the U.S. government... even though that birth does guarantee citizenship.

I'm not saying this is correct or incorrect. I haven't done the research on whether McCain's candidacy is Constitutional. I have read the arguments though, so I thought I'd clarify what the basis of the debate is about.

Maybe this will give the researchers of this topic new focus. Instead of researching who owns/controls/leases Panama, people can focus on the TYPES of borders one is born into.

REAL ID

Says that any STATEs that dont accept the real id. Will lose there citizenship and rights to go into federal buildings and programs. It doesnt say anything about where your born.. Just if you comply.

It is legel mumble jubo but if I was debating with immigration a issue, I would bring it up.

Dont forget the rule that its not wether its true but if people beleive it,. I would make it a issue.

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please stop this post

he is eligible. end the pipe dream. focus on getting him booted through the electoral process.

if anyone watched the democratic debates last night, both obama, hillary & the pundits later on mentioned mccain's 100 years in iraq stance. i have a feeling & strong hope that his position mentioned last night will end up doing far more harm to mccain in a very short period of time.

Can McCain proove his eligibilty

Can he provide the documentation he was born on a Military base, and if so are how can we verify the validity of birth certificate?

What if the document doesn't exist?

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Natural born citizens are

Natural born citizens are those who are born within the borders of the United States and within the borders of a State. John McCain was born in Panama, which is not part of the United States and never has been. The U.S. does not and has not owned Panama. Panama is a sovereign nation. The soil occupied by US bases in Panama are not territories, they are land leased from Panama.

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No case says that, give up the fantasy

No court has EVER held that "natural born" does not include "to two US parents on a US military base."

It's clear that a naturalized citizen (somebody who was born a citizen of another country, then became a US citizen later) couldn't be President. But NO court has EVER said that "natural born" doesn't include "to two US citizens on a military base."

Please find me a SINGLE case that says "natural born" is limited only to the 50 states + DC. There isn't one. None.

You have a FANTASY. Give it up.

We owned the Panama Canal

We owned the Panama Canal Zone when he was born. He is as much of a US citizen as any person from Guam, Puerto Rico, or any of our other overseas territories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone

We did not own the Panama

We did not own the Panama Canal Zone, nor was it a territory.

We leased the canal zone from Panama so that the canal project could be completed and so we could receive the benefits of it.

Leasing property from another sovereign nation is very different than owning the property. As far as I know, the United States has never owned Panama.

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were his parents US citizens

if so he IS a citizen.

Get a new strategy

I just finished reading the article from,

http://waronyou.blogspot.com/2008/01/mccain-not-actually-eli...

And the argument is sound. HE (McCain) IS NOT ELIGIBLE! As simple as that, no wonder the the govenator endorsed him. He probably figures if the people will buy this then Arnold could be prez.

I hate to break it to you,

I hate to break it to you, but a US military base (or embassy), anywhere in the world is considered US soil.

I applaud your investigation work, but you would need something a lot more substantial than that to make an impact.

I know for a fact this is so because

My brother was born in Germany on the American Base and he is a citizen. This is where the constitution is not being interpreted correctly. Two US citizens can give birth to another person anywhere in the world and that child is still an American citizen.

If you want to pay for a

If you want to pay for a lawyer, you can (try) to take him to court over that, and get the court to rule that US bases are not US soil. It's not unthinkable, but it's unlikely.

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Patent nonsense. He is

Patent nonsense. He is perfectly eligible. Don't waste time on this, it's been thoroughly debunked here at DP several times. I can't be bothered to rehash it.

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Bring it up anyway..

I emailed the article to the two OM's to see how they will react. I'm planning to email it to Romney campaign also, what do you think?

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They won't take the bait.

They won't take the bait. Besides, it would appear that you are attacking the military. Not a good tactic during wartime (even if it is an illegal war).

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but...

Wasn't he born on a US military base? Wouldn't this qualify as US soil? I don't know if this case would hold up under close examination of the laws. We could nitpick the case to death, but the system would rule in favor of McCain in the end wouldn't they?

Yes it does if born in the states

like I was

Weak...

Being born on a military base is just the same as being born in the USA.

I believe

John McCain was born in part of Panama, correct? At the time it was some kind of U.S. protectorate...

This needs to be investigated.

This should go to RawStory, AnitWar and Lew Rockwell. They need to investigate this.

Crooks, all of 'em.

Even if this is true, they'll do some Diebold-like work to trick people .

Interesting to say the least....

Do we have any lawyers who specialize in the constitution lurking around here who can verify the veracity of this piece?

Non starter

U.S. Military bases are U.S. soil. You can even send letters there for the same 39 cent postage rate. This is a waste of time.

And yes, I am a lawyer.

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doesnt matter

since when do they follow the laws

Good luck!

I'm sure the McCain people know where they are on this situation.

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