Who wants to start a country??!!

just asking

Peru

This is a true plan and I am moving to Phoenix to get it started. First I am going to find every Ron Paul supporter I can and set up meetings with every state legislator there is. We will ask for the following . . .

1) Pass legislation that allows any member of the Arizona National guard to be allowed to opt out of duty on foreign soil.

2) Pass legislation that requires super majority vote of state congress for the Governor give commander-in-chief rights of the Arizona National Guard to the President.

3) Pass legislation that requires that all male citizens aged 18-42 to become a member of the National Guard. Females may join but are not required. This has to happen. As you all have said, the federal government will not sit on the sidelines. But I have a hard time believing that U.S. Soldiers would fire on Arizona Guardmen.

4) Pass legislation that provides safe haven for residents from federal income taxes. The legislation would make it illegal to collect income taxes from Arizona residents. Anyone attempting to collect federal income taxes will be thrown in jail. It would be illegal to seize assets of Arizona residents. Any entity (i.e. banks) that allow assets to be seized by federal authorities can have their executives held liable. The highest ranking member of the entity currently in Arizona will be thrown in jail until the assets are returned. The downside of this is that residents wouldn't be able to travel to other states until other states enact laws themselves. Which they will, when all their state residents are leaving for Arizona.

5) Pass legislation allowing the inport of raw milk into the state. Work a deal to allow California ship the milk into the state. On the surface this seems kind of stupid, but the point is that it deals with interstate commerce and shows how stupid the laws are and that Congress really can't do anything about it. Make it illegal for anyone to restrict the import of the milk.

Once this starts rolling, it will just keep on gaining momentum.

It has to be a new country...we cannot just go over to a any other country ...arrogant as it sounds........b/c we might take the locals jobs and the locals might not like the influx....plus we will not be citizens unless we apply for their legal visas....so we will be illegal aliens if we hop skip and jump into any country.....see the dilema...kinda good cause we might understand the root cause of illegal immigration........

If we didn't have nuclear weapons the united states would invade and occupy us. But if we had WMD we would surely be safe.

Without going into detail, and while admitting the difficulty in pulling it off, one way would be to establish a "proprietary" community. You would outright purchase the acreage in a third world nation, build the infrastructure of a viable community and would purchase/negotiate a treaty of sovereignty with the "host" nation for a period of 100 years. The model would be Hong Kong, and would be accomplished within the framework of existing law.

What about the Florida Keys?
They seceeded from the union in 1982 and proclaimed to become an independent nation called Conch Republic. I think they have a strong live and let live attitude and put much emphasis on personal liberty.

http://www.conchrepublic.com/history.htm

By the way, it's a pretty nice region with very nice weather.

sadly

So if Texas is "the place" for this, how do you explain what happened with Waco? Have we already forgotten the BD's?

This is crazy...do any of you really think that the Federal Government would let us secede? Texas? Florida? We aren't a tribe of native americans with no real power. That's the difference. The government doesn't care about a few native americans who want their own chunk of land, but you can be damn sure they would care about Texas leaving the U.S. Or Florida. Not to mention the sheer mathematics of it all.

Let me get this straight: we have the Free State Project (New Hampshire) which will take 20 years to fulfill their goal. We also have other FSP's in other states. Those who are dead serious about their freedom are part of a FSP. But you want enough people to move to a state, elect our chosen representatives, and then secede?

Can you tell me the problem with that? There aren't even enough people to turn NH into a free state, and all we need are 20,000 people.

How many people would you need for Texas? Florida? The whole point of NH was that the population was low enough for a relatively low influx of people to make a difference.

You want a country to call your own? LOL. That will NEVER HAPPEN. What could happen is if we all moved to a free state (NH, WY, VT, etc) and become so different from the rest of the states that our example inspires others to change.

But don't kid yourself and believe that the gov't is going to sit on its hands when a state wants to leave. It's not a parcel of land, its an entire state with resources.

Lincoln, anyone??

-end of rant-

He said we don't need to start a new revolution, we only need to continue the one started by our Founding Fathers.

In Liberty's Cause

I do hear you on this subject, but where in the world would one go? The neo-cons, CFR, evil money exchangers, Crooked world bankers, etc., will have this country destoyed within the next 5 to 10 years. So keep me posted as where in the world would be a safer place.

blazer1994@hotmail.com

I'm sure we could bribe our way in there.

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Might be a bad idea putting us all in one place, especially an Island. I bet there are several that want to get rid of us. lol

Can anyone give me an update on whether Erwin Strauss is still around and what he's been up to?

For those of you too young to remember, Erwin "Filthy Pierre" Strauss is the author of "How To Start Your Own Country", back about 1979, and was the publisher of "The Connection", an early forum for libertarian thought predating the internet.

Beside the obvious great weather, Florida has a tremendous amount of natural resources. If we were to seceding we need a country that has a prosperous economy. Florida has oil,catle,and a great deal of agriculture.
The powers that are in control would never let there main n..a. u. corridor state of Texas get away from them. Sorry Florida is the way to go

We don't need a physical place. A society is a state of mind. We just need to create an alternate society where we are now. The future is going to be one world one way or another. We can have it NWO style, or we can have it our style. Atleast the elite are trying to make a New World Order. To many people just sit back and complain. We must do the work to create the positive reality we want. That way people can see that there is an alternative, and can make a choice. Much like what we have going on with the Ron Paul Revolution.
I personally believe that the next step is to be a world citizen. As long as we have nation-states, we will have anarchy. Check out this site for world citizenship - http://www.worldservice.org/
Sorry if the idea of a World citizen freaks you out, but we live in a dualistic reality. Everything has its opposite. As long as we focus on the negative version of a world order, that is what we will get!

Running with your tail between your legs?

and we can get rid of Lil Bush (Rick Perry), then secede..Of course RP would the Sam Houston of this new republic

I have noticed these types of threads appear to be getting more and more common, and more long-lived when they appear. I have started a forum at http://ronpaulcounty.ipbfree.com to further gauge the interest level. I was involved in the FSP, and then moved to N.E. Wyoming as part of the FSW. We libertarians do not have enough people to take over a state. We do have the numbers to take over a county and have our victory mathematically guaranteed. If, that is, there is a large enough proportion of Ron Paul supporters willing to move.

Come sign up on the forum and talk about it.

http://ronpaulcounty.ipbfree.com