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Slaying The Protein Myth

"I am plant-based. Essentially, this means I don’t eat anything with a face or a mother. Animals find this agreeable.
I’m also an ultra-endurance athlete. Essentially, this means I don’t go all that fast, but I can go all day. My wife finds this agreeable.
Conventional wisdom is that “vegan” and “athlete” simply don’t get along — let’s call it irreconcilable differences.
I’m here to say that is utter bullshit.
“But where do you get your protein?”
Not a day goes by that I am not asked this question. If I had a dollar for every time this came up, everyone in my family would be driving a Tesla."

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Excellent video

Thanks to freedomordeath.

Jim Carrey - Vegetarian Environmental Guy

This is very funny (and maybe accurate).




Vegetarian is an old native

Vegetarian is an old native american word for lousy hunter.


Studies of ancient camp sites and grave sites show that the average life span of N. American native people was 35-40 years.

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funny to think the Inuits had a 90% meat diet seal whale walrus fish and blubbbbber! haahh

James Madison

and lifespan

12 to 15 years shorter than the average Canadian, although lack of medical services surely plays a part. of course if that's all there was to eat i'd eat blubber too!

blubber attacks too

I don't know why people equate lifespan to what you eat when there is no scientifically significant relationship. i.e. Over 10% variance.
Only with portions of food does it get above 20%.
The longest living human is still alive after two millenia and eats what he wants. All he had to do was stab Christ. Stop striving for long life and start living it. Long life isn't the goal when you are but a caterpillar.

longevity for longevity's sake

is not so great if you're bedridden or out of breath with a walker. the people i follow want to live long and active lives.

Gee Davy. Looks like you copied your comment

from Yahoo Answers.


DavyC's comment -
"Studies of ancient camp sites and grave sites show that the average life span of N. American native people was 35-40 years."

The answer on Yahoo, posted in 2007 -
"Studies of ancient camp sites and grave sites show that the Ave. life span of N.American native people was 35-40 years."

You did change the abbreviation of average to the complete word. But other than that...

So do you actually know anything about these studies, or are you just assuming the Yahoo user did?

Edit - Looks like that exact text has been copied quite a bit over the years.


no, but

no, but i'm learning. if you have an article on lifespan of the american indians i'd love to read it.

The more mobile, less densely settled populations were usually the healthiest pre-Columbians. They were taller and had fewer signs of infectious lesions in their bones than residents of large settlements. Their diet was sufficiently rich and varied, the researchers said, for them to largely avoid the symptoms of childhood deprivation, like stunting and anemia. Even so, in the simplest hunter-gatherer societies, few people survived past age 50. In the healthiest cultures in the 1,000 years before Columbus, a life span of no more than 35 years might be usual.

and so it turns out yahoo answers is right. i don't look my nose down on them, some even list many reference. i notice you didn't point out that the post i was responding to was false, and actually credited to andy rooney.

"Vegetarian: an old Indian word for bad hunter” is a joke line (implying that those who choose not to eat meat are simply bad hunters) that has been featured on T-shirts and bumper stickers. The word “vegetarian” is not at all an “Indian word,” but comes from the word “vegetable” and was coined in England in the 1830s.

the decline in health was due to the rise of agriculture

"The research team gathered evidence on seven basic indicators of chronic physical conditions that can be detected in skeletons -- namely, degenerative joint disease, dental health, stature, anemia, arrested tissue development, infections and trauma from injuries. Dr. Steckel and Dr. Rose called this ''by far the largest comparable data set of this type ever created.''

The researchers attributed the widespread decline in health in large part to the rise of agriculture and urban living. People in South and Central America began domesticating crops more than 5,000 years ago, and the rise of cities there began more than 2,000 years ago.

These were mixed blessings. Farming tended to limit the diversity of diets, and the congestion of towns and cities contributed to the rapid spread of disease. In the widening inequalities of urban societies, hard work on low-protein diets left most people vulnerable to illness and early death.

Similar signs of deleterious health effects have been found in the ancient Middle East, where agriculture started some 10,000 years ago. But the health consequences of farming and urbanism, Dr. Rose said, appeared to have been more abrupt in the New World."


I was a vegetarian

on and off for 10 years. Since I am lactose intolerant, this also meant no dairy. I feel it damaged my health. I looked like a starving child from Biafra (for those who remember that). It caused some premature aging of the skin. I will never do that again. I now eat, primarily, fish and chicken, but I will also eat beef about once a week usually in the form of grass-fed burger. Very very rarely, like maybe once a year I will eat pork (I live in the South so BBQ is every where). I look better, feel better, am healthier. Some people can not be vegie...I can spot them a mile away, usually men. Men need more protein because of muscle mass; if they do not get enough protein, they look it. I know this is not 100% true...some people can do it and be very healthy. (BTW, animals eat other animals....they have no problem eating what it takes to survive. Maybe it's genetic to some extent; I am Eastern European..heavy meat, dairy, eaters.

some questions

did you take a good multi with no synthetics?
were you getting your DHA & EPA through a supplement? i take nutri-veggie.
did you cut out oil?
did you eat vegan junk food (processed)?
B12 supplement?
were you getting iodine from a supplement?
iron? a simple thing like eating raw pumpkin seeds boosts iron.

My trainer says

Supplements are for people with a bad diet.

Livestock and zoo animals get formulated supplements.

90 different deficiency diseases proven when adequate amounts cured problem.

Vitamin C: scurvy
B12: pernicious anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia
Vitamin D: rickets
copper: grey hair

Cholesterol is made by cells but a deficiency can cause inability to make myelin, cortisol, aldosterone, progesterone, estrogens, and testosterone.

Who has the perfect diet?

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My wife wasted away to 95 lbs on a vegan diet From 1988 till 2000 or so...just about killed her..... I thrived....I now eat some meat every other day ...she needs STEAK AND STEAK AND MORE STEAK to feel optimal health. I on the other hand can do without or with...
The food debate is crazy...it took off in the 80's it seems and I remember it being like a religion to a lot of people on what is the best diet for all of mankind.....ONE SIZE FITS ALL doesnt work in religion politics AND it doesnt work in what we should eat...we are all so different that who the hell knows what works for more than just oneself!

I agree that the one size

I agree that the one size fits all doesn't work with diet. Weston Price's research showed that. He found many very healthy "primitive" peoples eating very different natural diets.

I think where people go wrong is thinking they can wear all sizes at the same time.

did you read the article?

Indeed, protein is an essential nutrient, absolutely critical not just in building and repairing muscle tissue, but in the maintenance of a wide array of important bodily functions. But does it matter if our protein comes from plants rather than animals? And how much do we actually need?

Proteins consist of twenty different amino acids, eleven of which can be synthesized naturally by our bodies. The remaining nine – what we call essential amino acids – must be ingested from the foods we eat. So technically, our bodies require certain amino acids, not protein per se. But these nine essential amino acids are hardly the exclusive domain of the animal kingdom. In fact, they’re originally synthesized by plants and are found in meat and dairy products only because these animals have eaten plants. Admittedly, plant-based proteins are absorbed differently than animal proteins. And not all plant-based proteins are “complete”, containing all nine essential amino acids – two arguments all too often raised to negate the advisability of shunning animal products. But in truth, a well-rounded whole food plant-based diet that includes a colorful rotation of foods like sprouted grains, nuts, seeds, vegetables and legumes will satisfy the demanding protein needs of even the hardest training athlete – without the saturated fat that gives us heart disease, the casein that has been linked to a variety of congenital diseases, or the whey – a low grade discard of cheese production.

Who had been a vegan the longest?

Who was a vegan for the longest time?

First person testimonials only.

I have to pick another flat of strawberries for nest week.

Per 100# 100g Protien (animal). 70g Carbs, no whole grains, 1.5g Omega-3 EFA, 600ng Trace minerals,

No plant oils
No fried foods
No nitrate cured meats.

Cook foods over 160F degrees but below 300F.

Bone and vegetable apothecary soup in a double boiler 160-180F. Cooke but never boilef. Sea salt to taste.

I'm happy omnivore on s Seefood Diet. All system within normal operating parameters.

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love strawberries

always start the day with a bowl mixed with blueberries and red grapes. also some steel cut oats sprinkled with cinnamon, coffee with almond milk. after a couple hours of work (writing/editing) i make juice: carrots, celery, cucumber, apple, kale, broccoli, lemon, and parsley. i enjoy my food immensely and feel great.

Not everyone requires the

Not everyone requires the same diets. I wish people would stop telling everyone that everyone needs to get off of grains, that everyone needs to get off of dairy, that everyone needs to get off of meat, or that everyone needs to get off of cooked foods.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

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I slay the protein with my bow and arrow.

James Madison

At this point

whether you are a vegetarian or a protein eater I would encourage you to get grains out of your diet. I finally took the plunge ten days ago and I had a week of withdrawal symptoms but now I am starting to feel better. I lost 7 pounds in the first week, no exercise (I didnt have the energy to exercise while my body was getting the gunk out).

You don't have to be a

You don't have to be a vegetarian OR a protein eater. I'm a vegan and a protein eater (just from different sources)...and I lift. I do agree with you about the grains...although I still have a bagel on occassion. I have replaced my grain-based pastas legume-based pastas, even though I don't eat a lot of pasta. I'm working on removing rice.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

i follow this

works like a charm for me, my wife and a number of friends.

All I know is...

I was Vegan for 9 months and lost a lot of muscle strength. After 5 months, I was feeling really weak. I wrote it off to natural aging because I'd just turned 50. Around the 7th month, I easily injured myself, knee, wrist, forearms but it was all muscle, ligament, tendon sprains.

I started thinking about my diet and decided I wasn't getting enough protein. I also had gained weight.

I switched to a high-protein/fat low-carb diet. I started eating meat and dairy again. I avoided carbs other than what carbs are found in fruits. One month later, I felt great and the fat melted off me with no exercise. Two months later, I feel like I have the strength to start some high-intensity/short interval exercise to finish off the last 10lbs. of fat. All my sprains seem healed but I guess I'll find out once I start exercising hard.

I don't doubt a Vegan diet is best for some people but I really don't believe there is a one-diet fits all solution. I think genetics require different diets and everyone's genetics have slight differences. Those slight differences may require huge differences in one's diet.

My only concern being a big animal-lover is how we raise and slaughter meat for consumption in this country. It's cruel and barbaric. I have no problem paying more for cage-free eggs and grass-fed beef. I only wish there was a way to get the animal protein that my body requires without torture.

This should answer the question.


A good way to defend your freedoms: www.libertymagazine.org

The info in that video is bogus.

Humans do not "require" grains and beans at all. And there is enough fiber in fruits and veggies.

Grains and beans are not natural foods for humans. They are not natural foods for dogs, cats, pigs, chickens and cattle either.