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Anyone else feel out of place amongst all of the state worship this great day in the U.S.S.A.?

Just curious. Frankly, I feel like I'm living amongst a cult today. Everywhere I drive there are flags all over the place. It seems like there is a contest in which the businesses with the most flags in their lot win a prize. My coworkers are group texting all sorts of American supremacy junk (and for some reason I'm on that group text). In general, when I'm out in public it seems like I am walking among zombies. I have seen so much red, white, and blue the world looks like a kaleidoscope.

The thought crossed my mind:
"Let's celebrate the day of breaking free from tyranny by worshiping a tyrannical State."

Any thoughts? Am I the only one that gets sick to my stomach on the 4th of July?

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You are not alone.

Too many of us, however, equate the word "freedom" with our government. It is like watching the old North Korean woman crying her eyes out at the death of her dictator.

We are free to be spied on by

We are free to be spied on by the NSA, Free to be treated like criminals when we fly, free to have our wages stolen, free to hunt, fish, fly, pack a gun, and drive if we pay for a paper that gives us permision. We are free! Good thing those brits no longer have control :)

At any rate we still have a dream!

I am a veteran ( Congo in `63/ Vietnam `66~``67)

I`m getting pretty sick of people telling me and others that we saved their freedoms and liberty by the aggressive killing of others in foreign lands that had no resources to limit our freedoms or liberty.
Only the evil US Government can limit your freedom and liberties !!!

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Iraq/Afghan '03/'04 and I

Iraq/Afghan '03/'04 and I could not agree with you more.

I used to get uncomfortable when people thanked me and I was speechless, now I use their thank you as an educational experience. When they say thank you, I tell them not to because I did not do anything that I was proud of and all I did was help kill brown people so rich guys could make more money. I also point out that the people we violated were no threat to them, their family, or the U.S.

It makes me very happy to know

that there are many veterans with some common sense. I have a couple of friends that are in the air force and they are slowly coming around. People tend to listen to you guys more, so you all have a unique opportunity.

Not too long ago I had a conversation with someone about foreign policy and I was informed that since I have not been "over there" I had no credibility to speak. I'm not sure how standing in a foreign country with a gun is relevant to a discussion of political nonintervention, but either way this is how people think, and that is where you guys can make a difference. Ironically the person who said this to me has not been "over there" either....

I feel the same way

Although I participated in our local parade today, I'm saddened by the worship of those who are the antithesis of freedom. I know enough of them, and hell, one even came right out and told me not too long ago, that the Bill of Rights was a 'hindrance' to his 'job'. We've been friends since we were six years old. We're fifty now. He and even his mother's birthday, ironically, is today, July 4th. Everything's all upside down for me today. Has been for a long time.

The Flag, red white and blue, is symbolic of our Country...

...NOT necessarily our government.

This day remembers how Americans fought against tyranny to bring this nation it's independence.

Yes, many have forgotten the true meaning of the day, and have bought into the MSM/MIC state-worship brainwashing. That's their problem...

But many have not. Many people truly celebrate Independence Day for what it is meant to be about, Freedom and revolution. Fireworks, pool parties and BBQ are not such a terrible way to celebrate either.
Pretty decent ways to enjoy ones freedom.

What gets me as much as the ignorant/phony patriotism, is those who feel they have to knock America at every turn, and can never enjoy the good things about our country because they are so focused on how much they hate the U.S. government.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Upvote.

I feel the same.

It's one thing to celebrate

It's one thing to celebrate the American Revolution.
It's quite another to nod an okey-dokey to the collectivists running this nation...
And when I say: "the collectivists running this nation", I mean the citizens who keep electing the politicians.

respectfully

what do you mean by "knock America at every turn", and why does it bother you that some people are dissatisfied?

I said what I meant...

It does not bother me that some people are dissatisfied. I am dissatisfied. Why ask that?

Knock America at every turn means just that.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I still do not understand

what you mean by knock America. "Just that" does not really tell me anything. I ask the question because it sounds like a condescending statement without any real meaning, like when Sean Hannity categorizes dissenters as the "down on America" crowd or something. The remark indicates that you are offended; hence the question as to why dissatisfaction offends you.

I wasn't referring to you or anyone else in particular...

...if that is what you are concerned about.

But I did put it out there because I am concerned that some may tend to hate on all aspects of America, the 4th, etc., and can never seem to find the good. I think that is a mistake.

I don't disagree with your OP, either. I had my own incident yesterday with the police state. I was on my way to the fireworks, beer between my legs in the passenger seat of the car, and we came upon a random check-point. I didn't want to bother with any potential police-state BS so we just turned around, put the beer in the trunk, then came back. I was pretty mad the cops were there "checking" everyone, it ruined my good feelings, and my buzz. I was just a passenger, mind you.

I also experience the phony patriotism, the ignorance, the hypocrisy, and the commercialism. I can't stand it anymore than you.

But I do understand that many in America still celebrate Independence Day with that spirit of independence. Many do celebrate the 4th for those ideals. And regardless of what OTHERS do to celebrate the 4th or not, I celebrate in remembrance and reverence for Independence Day, the spirit of 1776, and LIBERTY!

I will not "mourn" the 4th. I will not pitifully fade away. I remind those I watch the fireworks with, that they represent the "bombs bursting in air" during the fighting, and to listen and watch as if listening to shells exploding and guns firing. I tell folks I'm around to remember what the 4th is all about, and that it is still our responsibility to live free today.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Fair enough...

I am all about celebrating the demise of tyrannical government. My problem that it has been transformed into the opposite. It is like some sick joke.

I too went out with friends to drink and watch the fireworks, and like you I was suffocated with police officers, flashing lights, etc. We watched a couple of people try to walk across a section of the park that was apparently off limits and the cops rolled up on them from all directions like birds of prey. When we left police were EVERYWHERE with their seizure inducing lights, and one of my friends made a sarcastic comment about it being the "price of freedom." Another one of my friends with me is visiting from the Netherlands for the first time, and it pains me to say that I was slightly embarrassed, as I sensed the impression he got from the whole experience was something akin to being in nazi germany.

I definitely agree...

...with your complaint about those individuals who don't care to understand the reason for the holiday, and hypocritically celebrate what is apparently the opposite of what the holiday is all about.

And I most certainly agree that the continuing trend towards more police-state action and the corporatist celebration of that action on Independence Day is disturbing.

It is evident that we are no longer free like the founders intended, and the holiday is somewhat being celebrated in vain. Certainly by many.

That said, I think the 4th should be a reminder to all Americans of what it takes to secure individual liberty. It is up to individuals, like those of us who know better, to put the spirit of liberty and revolution into the minds of those we celebrate with.

Remind them that we are able to enjoy these festivities because of those patriots who declared our independence from an oppressive, centralized government. Remind them that the sights and sounds of fireworks are meant to symbolize the "bombs bursting in air" and the "rockets red glare" during revolutionary battles. Use the 4th as a good excuse to talk to others about over-reaching government tyranny, the police-state, the nanny-state, the surveillance state, etc... And remind them again just exactly what we are celebrating on July 4th. A Revolution against such tyranny.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Knocking America's Federal government

is not "knocking America." It is, if anything, patriotic and LOVING America.

Of course not... I agree...

But knocking the 4th of July and how some people celebrate it is not knocking the U.S. Government.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Amen!

Amen!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Nope. You are NOT alone. Been sick to my stomach

all day long. Just caught the end of "1776" and cried my eyes out for what we've lost. Where is the outrage?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

NO....

You definitely are not alone. I mourn the 4th and have been for years.

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I've noticed a definite trend

I've noticed a definite trend for people to celebrate less. I think that's an indication that people are starting to open their eyes...

Beware the cult of "government"...