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Why Are Church Groups Supporting Amnesty and Illegal Immigration

What baffles me is that I have been noticing that church groups are coming to rescue to some of illegal immigration, and in the past I have noticed some support from church or religious groups supporting amnesty. Can someone point out why? I am in the mindset that church groups are in aligned with the right when it comes to issues of immigration.



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Give Till It Hurts

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To my Liberal Trolls:
"Really Don't mind if you sit this one out. Your words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
Ian Anderson 1972

Churches wish to increase their money and/or influence

via immigration. (*Within* the country, church membership has been dwindling.) Currently, illegal immigrants are primarily Catholic or evangelical - two denominations suspiciously beginning to look alike these days!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Competition for money in the coffers.

The Roman Church has a pretty strong hold on the money and consciences of most South Americans, and what little is left over is usually either Pentecostal or Baptist, all of which are major players in the border states.

And for the record, I'm a pretty strong Christian and I have ZERO interest in importing a bunch of disease-ridden, third world children who will destroy what little western culture is left in the U.S. These churches are involved because they see a benefit in having more bodies in the pews, and they don't really care about who else gets hurt in the process.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Maybe the feds gave them a lot of money

ahead of time to help out with the illegals when they came. Maybe the feds are giving them more, now. Maybe the feds are promising them more stuff in the future.

Does this answer your question?

Feds To Open $50 Million Resort For Illegal Children – Complete With Tennis Courts, Sauna & Pools

...The Palm Aire Hotel and Suites is set to be sold to Baptist Child & Family Services (BCFS) operating under a federal contract,...

http://www.dailypaul.com/322532/feds-to-open-50-million-reso...

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

unfortunately with open borders

the poeple that messed up their own country is going over to mess your country up. if you let socialists in to your country, then you will have a welfare state in no time.

the law is the law and illegals are que jumpers for honest immigrants doing it legally. The curch should not back illigals, but still support the idea of the church helping the physical needs of the poor and even encourging them to follow the law.

Let me get this straight --

You propose an ideological test to determine who can immigrate legally and who cannot? Two problems with that:

1. It is one of the most totalitarian policy proposals I have ever heard. This is supposed to be a LIBERTY blog, not a Nazi one.

2. Do you really think if the government had this power, they would use it to bolster a culture of liberty within the US, or the exact opposite? You are extremely naive about the workings of government.

You statists never cease to amaze me with the convoluted reasoning you use to support state violence.

WHAT!!!!!

DUDE... this is the REAL WORLD, WHO IS LETTING THEM IN and WHY, are they doing this because its and effective weapon.

They using immigration as a weapon to destroy the nation states over here in the EU and doing the same over in America. Poor countries are poor for a reason. If you let a huge amount of poeple in that crosses the threshold of proper integration OVER TIME, then the very values you are fighting for will be lost in a sea of the uneducated wanting handouts.

You say stop the handouts, but how will you do that if they have an ever increasing voter block from illegal immigrants.

Another thing dude, and I come from the 3rd world, for some sleeping on the streets of America is paradise compared to where they come from regardless of welfare or not.

I've got news for you --

we already have the biggest welfare state in the world, and THAT'S the problem. What makes you so sure immigrants will support the welfare state? Once they realize that it is the welfare state and its backers that cause all the anti-immigrant resentment, they could be a valuable (and unlimited) constituency for liberty.

South Americans

Still have an appetite for religion, so I'm guessing the profit church vultures have an interest for them...interestingly it seems how all businesses operate...

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What baffles me is...

Why do people - who supposedly know better - categorize people into groups, and then ask questions - as if any individual could even start to answer?
Does anyone else see the subtle nature of this approach?

As an example, I could ask: Why are Ron Paul fans isolationists?

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

You can't have a country that has no borders

Churches are infiltrated and have long been so because they are influential to people. Tax exempt status makes you bully-able and malleable.

Borders are what distinguishes a country from other countries. If you dissolve the borders in order to accept in all immigrants, illegals, migrant workers, or any person that wants to come into your country, especially from a particular region, continent or group of countries, then doesn't that mean you are virtually merging with that country?

In our particular situation, dissolving borders and passing amnesty is forcing a NORTH AMERICAN UNION.

You don't have to have the trucking roads built through Texas to get people thinking along these lines. Political thought control...

1. They are people, little innocent children we must accept them.
2. What we need is free trade and boarder crossing between the countries of North and South America. It will be good for all of us
3. Now we need a new currency between the countries to make things easier...we could call it the "amero". It's not frightening...it's like the euro.
4. All the different laws are getting in the way now. What we need is a centralized government. A North American Union maybe. We are all in the same continent after-all.

We don't need to repeat the history of the European union. Burning our rights into ashes and where other countries and politicians you didn't elect control your life. Many say that's how it is now, but a North American Union would seal the deal.

Ron Paul does not agree with you

"Borders are what distinguishes a country from other countries"

FALSE

Our Constitution is 100% what distinguishes our country from every other country.

You should try reading Dr. Paul's books for more revealing info as to why what you're saying is totally bass ackwards.

My stance on property rights

Who owns the "borders"? Do borders even exist when government is not permitted to own property?

If government DOES own property, do the collective of people that control that government have a right to restrict movement on land owned by everyone?

Borders do not exist in my mind. Illegal or legal, who and what defines this? Anyone who believes in the NAP and freedom are legal in my book. Some illegal piece of paper "granting" access to this territory means nothing to me.

I love the double standards people have. "I agree with the NAP, but ill use a gun to keep people out of land I don't own."

Open the boarders.

Legalize immigration. Make it simple.
grant

let them all in, they never get any public services & pay no tax

Then let everyone already here have that same option:D

Then annex Mexico

and let us freely move there if we choose! ;)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The ones that really care about people?

Because they do not regard justice as equal with mercy, as I believe God does, they misunderstand the vital link between the two.

The others are corrupted by their 501c3 status.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Because the IRS threatened to pull their Not for profit

corporation status if the "church" corporations did not support the illegals?

I can't speak for any church

Because must are just businesses that operate on Sunday and take money from people to entertain them while supporting an administrative staff like a little dynasty.

But for those church members who believe that a soul is the most precious thing in all of creation, They are driven by their love for God and his creation to serve those in great need.

A soul is so precious that God gave his only son, Jesus Christ to ransom every soul who so desires to be saved by God's grace -- a real relationship with God.

But I know that's not the case with many church groups. In many cases they use crisis as an opportunity to play on the emotions of their target audience to shake money from their credit cards and bank accounts. And I have seen first hand the "expensing" of lavish goods and services for those who run the show.

Not different than the politicians who rob the people using emotion and manipulation.

local government with individual choice.

The problem is having a central government as was the problem when only one religious institution ruled.
Religious institutions today do not tax individuals, money that is received is donated and membership is voluntary, with many different choices. The State on the other hand forces individuals to pay taxes to a central government, membership being mandatory in some cases and selective in others, with only one option. States should allowed to divide and compete with each other as do religious institutions. Somehow it should be possible to make membership in a State voluntary, competitive, with money needed to run the State freely donated and a choice to participate or not in a State.
grant

sorry but you are wrong

I know of a baptist group here in texas that has gone down to help

Liberty forever, Jasper Texas 75951

The answer to 90 out of 100 questions

is Money...

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Well not all

Baptist, Methodist no way.

The Catholic leadership want more Catholics and alot of those crossing the border are Catholic.

Some of the liberal kinda fake churches want voters to push their agenda.

Most "Catholic" immigrants...

coming up from Mexico and Latin America leave the Catholic Church once they come to the U.S. The American Catholic Bishops know this so that is not why they are for amnesty and open borders.

The American Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Marxists and __________________. The Marxists in the Church want to see everyone reduced to the same lowest common denominator, except for themselves. The have distorted the Gospels to indoctrinate everyone into their brand of "social justice." They want to put such a strain on our welfare system that the government will have to raise taxes until the middle class has nothing left. Egalitarianism is the name of the game.

I've been fighting these people in my Church for a very long time now, and I can tell you that they are very firmly entrenched in the Catholic Church. Only the Lord can clean up the Church now.

Minnesota Mary

Property Rights

There are libertarians on both sides of this issue (probably because there are liberals and conservatives who are libertarian in their politics).

1. Some want open borders on the grounds that humans have a right to travel anywhere they want to go (as long as they respect the rights of others, including their property rights).

2. Some see property rights as the reason we can justify closing borders.

In both cases, it's clear that libertarians prefer that illegals not trespass in order to enter the country. But there are plenty of libertarians and others who invite "illegals" in--no trespassing required.

I'm deeply grateful that church groups are willing to help people illegally cross borders. I have long had a deep respect and admiration for the Quakers and the underground railroads that led slaves and Jews and other refugees out of bondage and/or certain death.

A free market would solve this problem easily and immediately by offering jobs and letting people fill them, as they wish.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

A breath of fresh air!

Good analysis. Why can't people see that the advocates of the welfare state WANT us to divide people into groups pitted against each other, so that only the government can mediate. We are ALL tax (and debt and inflation) payers, and we are ALL tax consumers. It is simply not even theoretically possible to determine whose money went where.

The only solution is the total elimination of the welfare state. And the only possible way of achieving that is to offer a coherent, consistent, alternative. I'm sorry, but a vision which makes an exception in the free market for immigration is neither coherent nor consistent.

Like it or not, immigrants and their families will be a substantial component (possibly even a plurality) of the electorate in the near future. Wouldn't it be great if the liberty movement could capture their allegiance by stridently defending their legitimate rights the way Republicans captured the black vote after the civil war? We don't have to pander at all, we just have to be true to our explicit principles.

Without a coherent vision, the liberty movement will never succeed. We must embrace freedom ACROSS THE BOARD, or, eventually, the statists will pander and poke holes in our arguments, showing us to be hypocrites.

It Must Be Obvious

It must be obvious that the government is a highly immoral institution, that it corrupts people, and that it is frequently idiotic. Why should people follow these laws--even if it were possible to do so?

People commit felonies daily without realizing it. That's how out of control the government is--too many laws. Ignorance of the law is an excellent excuse for the vast majority of them. The ones where it isn't an excuse are mostly the ones that have been laws for centuries (e.g., don't murder).

That being the case, plenty of people on both sides of the border are quite happy to invite people over to work or visit despite the illegality. Even the government offers them benefits when they come. Why should anyone think it criminal when they are invited and rewarded for coming?

Even those who have an innate respect for our laws (despite their frequent idiocy) may be motivated to come in order to reunite with family, provide for family, or any number of other compelling reasons.

For many people, in church groups or not, the right for each person to pursue happiness trumps red tape. For Christians, especially, forgiveness is not only an option, but a mandate, so a little law-breaking is forgiven in favor of understanding and charity.

Why wouldn't they advocate for the rights of these "illegals"?

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Right On!

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With bible passages like:

http://www.openbible.info/topics/immigration

I find it hard to believe anyone can pose such a question. Furthermore point out one story in the bible where the law is used to judge and criminalize someone crossing an imaginary border on god's green earth.