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Marc Clair Speaks with Dale Carson on How to "Arrest-Proof" Yourself

In this episode of the Lions of Liberty Podcast, I welcome defense attorney and author of “Arrest Proof Yourself”, Dale Carson to the show. Dale describes how his career in law enforcement showed him the inherent flaws in the way policing is done in the United States, and sent him towards the defense side of the law. Dale and I discuss the type of attitude one should take when dealing with law enforcement, and Dale gives a few tips on just exactly how to “arrest-proof yourself.”

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To Recap that Interview

a) Cops are really simple people who want the general public's respect.
b) Cops want to be thought of as "cool".
c) Cops get their cues all from Hollywood and TV as to what "cool" is.
d) Cops think "being a detective" is "cool" and think the general public will respect them.
e) Cops think if you don't respect them, you must be bad or up to something.
f) Cops are incentivized to make arrests, the more the better.
g) If you beat your arrest, your name is still the national database and employers won't hire you.
h) You can't scrub your name out of the national database even if you were let go and found to be innocent.
i) Private companies have access to the national database, can erase it, you're in there, permanently.
j) Even if you win, you lose cause its time and money out of your day.
k) And so, 'be real nice' to cops, he may let you go and never put you into the national database of arrested persons.

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That about...

does sum it up.

The intent wasn't to say "and all of this is ok", but merely to portray the situation as it is, and ways to avoid the perils of arrest. Is it right that an officer can toss you in jail almost at his whim? No. But that doesn't make it any more sensible to give him more reasons to do so.

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So basically, if you have

So basically, if you have already been arrested at some point in your life, this information is of little value. If you are in the system already there is nothing you can do about it.

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I wouldn't say that

Regardless of whether you are already "in the system" or not, I think it's safe to say a better path forward would be to avoid future arrests if possible, no?

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Oh of course. When I say,

Oh of course. When I say, nothing you can do about it." I mean there is nothing you can do about the record, but there is plenty you can do to avoid being arrested. One method i like is to make my attorney out to be the bad guy. I explain to the officer in the most polite manner that I would love to talk to him and answer all his questions but I have a mean old lawyer that said if I say anything at all to you and end up in jail that he will let me rot there, etc, etc. Then you hand the cop your attorney's business card and tell him to call the guy if he has any questions.
In my case I have an added plus in that I got to meet and do home improvements for an assistant states attorney here. He likes me and I treat him fairly. I've dropped his name more than once to get myself out of a jamb.

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Here's a tip if choosing this approach

Of course every situation is different and people must decide on their own what approach is best for the given circumstance. I strongly admire those who flex their rights in the face of "authority", but understand the logic that bowing to the slave master can avoid a beating. Here's a tip should you choose the later:

Many police departments provide what is often called a "Citizens' Police Academy" as a community outreach program. It's basically a PR campaign and loose recruiting tool. They're usually free of charge and depending on the program takes one or two of your evenings per week for a two month period. I did this back when I was a statist and was considering running for local government.

If nothing else this will provide you with an opportunity to know several officers in the best possible way. This alone may save your ass. However, in my case I was given a laminated ID card and mini shield badge pins identical to the department employees. I was also told in not so subtle terms that this was my get-out-of-jail-free card.

All these "tricks" when viewed in the proper context only prove how inherently corrupt and biased the system is. It's completely stupid and unfair but if you're going to play the game this is how you do it.

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Dale Carson is correct in that

if you show respect, you'll get respect. Yet, in the 200 or so videos I've watched, many civilians answer with "officer" or "sir" and are not combative, it's the officers who escalate the situation to where citizens are arrested (and worse killed) who are combative. If the police have their hands around your neck, or their knee in your back and apply pressure, they can kill you. Yet, the police see this as resisting arrest with violence. He's also correct that you don't want to become part of the system. Today, your driver's license can even bring up the names of people with whom you associate or license plate readers. If there is a beam being sent to your license plate, there must be a beam sending information back from the license plate. Our license plates have chips. It is Orwellian.

Local police departments are under civilian control, yet the people feel they rarely have any say in the matter. It's a problem.

veritas. wow. Don't forget the 'booking fee'...

in Green Bay it cost you $50 to get booked into jail whether you are guilty or not. Any money you have on you up to that amount is applied to the fee and is non-refundable. On the plus side the collection agencies quit after two letters.

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Dale Carson has a different approach

Dale Carson has a different approach to police encounters than what most libertarians are used to.

He does not support asking, "Are you detaining me or am I free to go?" because it may lead to an arrest by an aggressive police officer. He said that as a police officer he would have arrested a person for asking that. His fear is that once arrested, even if you are not brought up on charges, you are in the system and it is near impossible to get out due to the many agencies across jurisdictions that share the information.

I listened to the interview but I did not read the book. Some of the books negative reviews state that he advises (I am assuming in desperation) to vomit or urinate to avoid the arrest.

I prefer the typical libertarian constitutional methods of avoiding arrest more: "Are you detaining me or am I free to go?" "I do not consent to searches." "I am going to remain silent, I'd like to see a lawyer." I believe they can all be said politely and by using those very specific phrases you are much better protected when it is documented in the police report, and when detectives/judges evaluate the charges and consider whether or not to pursue. They are also beneficial if you take the case to civil court.

Marc, you conducted a great interview.

I highly recommend this video at flexyourrights.org '10 Rules for Dealing with Police'


Thank you!

For the great compliment and for posting the video- I will check it out!

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