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Top 10 Reasons Libertarians Aren’t Nice To You

By Christopher Cantwell

People often complain about libertarians being rude and obnoxious. It’s not nearly as widespread a problem as some would make it out to be, and contrary to popular belief, this did not begin with me. To the extent that it does exist, I have become to many this sort of picture of the asshole libertarian who doesn’t give a shit about your feelings or opinions. So I figured I’d put this list together of why libertarians aren’t nice to you. Even libertarians who are nice to you, I think will get a kick out of it, because despite their outward appearances, they are every bit as frustrated with your statism as we are. Feel free to bookmark it and produce it every time you hear someone make this complaint.

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Some very valid points, but...

I agree with many of the points expressed in this writeup, but Christopher Cantwell is a loose cannon at best. This isn't just an issue of simply playing rough when roughness is brought to you, he comes off as outright vindictive, even too much for my taste (and believe me, I love sarcasm as much as anybody when it's called for).

When you start glorifying violence against your enemies and they have the superior numbers, even those upper IQ people are going to thin that you're crazy, as opposed to rational. I'm happy to mock people who glorify war and tyranny, and I'll feel zero pity for a cop who gets his head blown off during an unconstitutional no-knock raid to fight the stupid drug war, but this stuff has its limits.

I'm not an atheist or an anarchist, and I only resort to being an a$$hole on occasion, so maybe that's my problem.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

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What would you do...

If you had a neighbor and every few days you saw a child enter the home, but never saw that child leave. In addition, you heard agonizing child screams the night before the new one showed up. And -EVERYONE- you tried to tell, said you were crazy because he was such a good man and clearly did so much for the community.

That's the libertarian/anarchist (crazy one), and the government (the murderer), and all the statists (those who ignore the crazy one). The children, well they represent actual children killed by our drones, bombs, soldiers, sanctions, and various other world wide nefarious criminal endeavors.

The government kills, steals, and kidnaps, everyday. And yet, statists would rather justify his killing because of the "perceived good".

The ONLY reason I don't openly advocate violence to protect people from the government is because it is a guaranteed death certificate for anyone who tried.

Any violence committed against any branch of the government is purely self-defense as the government is always the initiator, by definition.

Edit: I am an Atheist, Anarchist, and an Asshole as well. And would buy Chris a drink if I ever met him.

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Poor analogy.

If I had an individual neighbor doing these things, I could handle the problem personally and then face the wrath of the idiots who loved him afterward and the problem, by your standards, would be solved. If I did as Cantwell suggests and go after the government, I'd be dead by default, and at best I'd take one or two low-level drones with me that would be replaced the next day, and anyone else who spoke this way might end up in the same situation as the Branch Davidians.

The reason why I wouldn't buy Chris a drink is because I do believe in the concept of "legitimate authority" and "legitimate law", which makes me being an anarchist impossible. I get lumped in with you guys because I have the same list of complaints about the conduct of government, but I don't have the same fundamental philosophy or view of human nature. Some laws enslave man, others set him free, as the old saying goes.

As for the atheism thing, I know that's what all the kids are into and what is considered cool, but I grew out of that stuff in my mid 20s, sorry to say.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

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Perfect analogy.

Your support for "legitimate authority" (i.e. perceived benefit and the greater good) prohibits you from acting against him.

Glad you grew up and now believe in an invisible man in the sky now looking after you. That was kinda snarky, but so was your comment on atheism.

I grew out of Christianity before I turned 30, religion is for children, not the other way around.

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Okay I will be so called Libertarian.

This fucken post sucked donkey dick. Your stupidness is unreal.

Is that libertarian enough for ya. Now let talk about real Solutions to real problems.

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It really is... lol Good for

It really is... lol

Good for him.

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There really is a rash of rudeness

and lack of empathy among libertarian ranks that is greater than what you'd find in a general population. It takes a bit of ego to challenge the status quo and what you've been taught. This pushes the average amount of narcissistic traits among those who subscribe to a libertarian philosophy a bit up. This clustering of traits will also produce a greater percentage who cross over into full-blown narcissistic personality disorder territory.

The solution is recruitment. The less it takes someone willing to not care about how it makes them look to not conform (or not have the kind of brain wiring needed to even know how it makes them look to not conform) for someone to become a libertarian, the more libertarian ranks can be bolstered by people who have a better grip on empathizing with the people around them.

And, no, libertarian philosophy encompassing a more compassionate way to treat the human race than other philosophies do isn't the kind of empathy I'm talking about. Every major political philosophy relies on a huge number of its adherents believing that. I'm talking about the huge number of incidents I've seen of libertarians turning nasty when someone disagrees with them, sometimes on minor points, then claiming the nastiness is just a logical off-shoot of the superiority of their opinions and they are not responsible that the offended was hurt or put-off by the only approach they believe they could have used.

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Horsepucky

We have as many cuddlebunnies like Tom Woods or Bob Murphy as we have ashsoles like Chris Cantwell, and all shades between.

People are different and communicate differently. I know the cuddlebunny approach works on a lot of people, but if Chris reaches one person I count it a win, but I I'm pretty sure he reaches a lot more than that.

I actually associate with libertarians, leftists and rightists. I don't see people yelling at each other.

I don't see a "huge number of incidents I've seen of libertarians turning nasty".

At all.

In fact when there is nastiness, and there isn't much, it's a statist, and the reason is as Cantwell points out, they get nasty because logic fails them and they have to yell.

When you're right and can articulate it, you don't need to be nasty. Unless like Chris you want to, and I think there's space for that in the discussion.

I'm not talking about

only libertarians talking to statists. I've seen nastiness among libertarians mostly agreeing but disagreeing over the details.

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You were talking about recruitment

so I thought you were talking about communication with non libertarians. Perhaps I misunderstood.

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Bill, I couldn't help

Bill, I couldn't help thinking about you and your reaction when this guy basically refers to minarchists as useful idiots to the cause. Lol

spot on

Every time I hear someone say Obama is smart all I think is "why isn't his name on the 999".

Every time I hear someone say

Every time I hear someone say obama is smart, I puke.

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