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CNN: "Can the government prevent hot car deaths?"

What do you think, DP? Can the government do it? Is the government magic? Can it protect us from any and all threat and danger?

(CNN) -- While the case of the Georgia father accused of intentionally leaving his toddler son to die in a hot car continues to grip the nation, it has also sparked a debate about whether more could be done to prevent the accidental deaths of children from heatstroke inside a car.

Is it an issue for the automakers to tackle voluntarily? Should the federal government mandate a driver-reminder alert? Is it solely a matter of parental responsibility? Those are just some of the questions parents across the country, experts and public officials are asking.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/living/hot-car-death-preventio...

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I was

A few years back I was speaking to man at a bar about politics and the state. I brought up my viewpoint and he opened up a bit and shared a rather private story to me.

He told me about his son who died in an accident in his friend's Jeep. It was a railed open top type Jeep (I have no clue what they're called).

His son was in the rear seat behind the driver with 3 other friends in the vehicle. The driver swerved to avoid another car and the jeep rolled 3 times.

His son was "following the law" and was wearing his seat belt. None of the others were. Two flew out of the car and sustained minor injuries, but his son and the driver did not survive.

Although the driver was not wearing a seat belt and did not survive, this guy couldn't help but think that if is son was not "following the law" that night, he may have had a chance, at least in that type of vehicle.

Now I understand the argument that seat belts help 90% of the time. And this type of argument always leads to that statement. But that is not the argument, it goes far beyond that type of knee jerk emotional response.

If even one incident proves that an individuals ability to live was hindered by an arbitrary law set forth by the government, is the government not technically held liable or accountable in any way? Who let them have this type of power?

If it is really for "safety", why isn't that ones own choice? As long as it does not compromise another's rights. Really perplexing.

Great point

This one will stick in my head for awhile.

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The Government Has Destroyed Cars

I am at the point where I will no longer buy a car made after 1990. I am a gear head and the cars that are made today look and operate like crap. I hate 99% of the cars I see on the road today. The other 1% are old cars which look, sound, smell and feel like a real car. A mans car.

Why can't we have the choice if we want safety features or not? My dream car would have:

-No air bags.
-No seat belts (I will install them if needed).
-A suicide knob.
-No catalytic converter.
-No AC (I don't use mine anyway).
-No anti-lock brakes.
-No traction control.
-No engine computer.
-No fuel injection.
-No safety reverse knob for manual transmissions.
-No automatic headlights.
-REAR WHEEL DRIVE (I hate front wheel drive!).
-No speed limiter.
-No rev limiter.
-Only electronics for radio, heater and headlights (No electronic engine components).
-A hood ornament.
-STEEL BODY (this plastic/aluminum crap has got to go).
-Option for a square body style or an old style CREATIVE body style.
-No car insurance.

Make a car like that and I will buy one. Otherwise, I hope all you BS car companies fail for making the crap you sell.

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Short Answer - Yes

As long as we send 100% of our earnings to the government, they can do almost anything!

Clarification

Certainly, "the government can prevent hot car deaths," if:

1) The government squelches the Sun
2) The government bans cars
3) The government outlaws death
4) And, we send 100 percent of our earnings and brain matter to the government

wolfe's picture

Hmmm...

Death has been proven to be the leading cause of death, making up 100% of known cases.

It should be banned, and I will vote for the guy that says he can do it!

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Since were banning death

Why not ban war, hurt, pain, discomfort, and slight irritation?

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

wolfe's picture

oh!

How about broken hearts? No one is allowed to break anyone's heart anymore!

Can you imagine? No death. No heartbreak. Life would be perfect! Don't we all want to have a perfect life?

Those damn libertarians/anarchists just can't see "reality", or they would agree that the government truly can make everyone's life free of any negatives!

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heartbreak is definately painful, and it hurts

So definitely ban it. Can always do door to door confiscation.

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I hurt my foot once

On those metal bed frames without the plastic protector. Can we ban those too?

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Absolutely.

Bed frames are probably responsible for hundreds of injuries a day!

Just one example!

http://www.injuryclaimcoach.com/cut-leg-on-metal-bed-frame.html

And the evil hotel wouldn't cover it! Can you believe that? Clearly both the injured party and the hotel would benefit from just not having bed frames.

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The bed skirt was the culprit there

got her foot stuck in the bed skirt, then cut the leg with bed frame. I say ban bed skirts too!

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Of course the government can

Of course the government can solve the problem...the government can solve ALL problems...or so I'm told.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

You are correct.

The government can ban cars.

OK the war on hot cars in my below comment

Might sound a bit knee-jerk crazy so I propose an alternate government solution. It would save pets from hot car terrorists too.
Government mandated ejection seats in all vehicles! Obviously you would need government mandated F-16 type canopy's also. I mean imagine your child/pet being catapulted into the ceiling, ouch.
Have motion sensing, pressure sensing, and heat sensing technology mandated (lol man dated)in all vehicles. When the tempature reaches a predetermined level, and either motion sensor or pressure sensing are activated, poof ejection from the hot car! Who cares where or how they land, they are saved from the hot car/truck terrorists!

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

My solution..........

Have a war on hot cars. We should spend trillions of fake dollars on an army of drones with heat sensing technology that would monitor all parking lots in Amerika for hot cars. When the drones find them, which they will, they should blast very large ventilation holes in the tops of the hot vehicles, regardless of presence of humans in or around the vehicles. Yea, I know, it might hurt or kill innocents, (collateral damage), but the children will be saved from these evil hot car terrorists.

You are either with us, or you are with the hot car terrorists! USA USA USA!

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The terrorists hate us for

The terrorists hate us for our air conditioning.

yes they do!

Did I mention how many jobs would be created by the war on hot cars?

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oh and I almost forgot......

Most Americans are tired of war so initially it wouldn't be feasible. My proposal: Stuff some children in hot cars in various hot environments around the country, with the windows up and heat on high. With enough of these unfortunate events, we will quickly drum up enough support for a full fledged war on hot cars.
It's for the children.
USA USA USA!

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What are 10 lives compared...

to the hundreds it would help us save!

Great idea.

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and the jobs

Think of all the jobs it would create!

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I thought the hot car

I thought the hot car treatment was just part of the new healthcare bill.

But about myself I will not boast, except as it concerns my weaknesses (2 Cor 12:5). Let the unbelievers seek praise from each other; I wish that which is from God alone.

You would have more impact

You would have more impact eliminating cars,stairs in houses and apartments, bathtubs, food, dogs, bicycles, other children, parents, etc.

This is a problem so small that it defies logic to put forward the effort. Parents daft, stressed or distracted enough to leave the kid in the car are just as likely to run them over or leave them on the roof of the car as they drive away.

logic. lol

This is the USA USA USA! Logic is not an option.

And since you pointed out other potential threats to our children I further propose:
War on bathtubs!
War on stairs!
War on houses and apartments!
War on dogs!
War on cats!
War on bicycles!
War on deft, stressed, or distracted parents!

War! War! War! USA USA USA!
Its for the children.

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It would be a lot cheaper to make it mandatory

that all children travel on the luggage rack. It worked for Romney's dog.

wolfe's picture

lol..

love the government solution.

Something auto makers could do to prevent children/pets dying is put in a temp gauge/motion sensor that would kick on internal cooling fans, similar to a computer. Wouldn't take much, without government.

But guess what? The kinds of people that allow this to happen to their children and pets are not the kind of people to care about that feature on their car so they would not buy them initially....

However, it causes a trickle down. People that do care, would pay a few extra bucks for the feature, that never got used, and when that car resold on the used market, the people targeted would likely end up with the feature, whether they cared or not, until it broke. (Air bags are a perfect example).

But then you would have deaths because the people that didn't care would want to blame the manufacturer for the broken feature not working... These back and forth arguments could go on for weeks.

Make sure the problem trying to be solved is worth the effort to solve it. Frequently, it isn't. And that is why auto makers have not done so.

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