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Stop pretending the US is an uninvolved, helpless party in the Israeli assault on Gaza

The Obama administration's unstinting financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel is a key enabling force in the conflict
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/17/israel-...

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Damned right!

Israel is either the 51st U.S. State or more accurately...

The U.S. is the 2nd state of Israel.

Because they don't pay taxes to us but they get 4 billion a year from us and their defense system as well.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

not only that, 'we' subsidized the construction of their new

guerrilla warfare training center, IN Israel, all funded with stolen Americans' wealth and generational debt slavery: How the Empire sponsors Foreign Militaries: American Debt Slaves pay for IDF's Warfare Training Center & Gaza CrackDown!

** Statist hack 'comedian' Bill Maher executive produced Vice 'News' even changed the name from "Guerrilla Warfare" (which was how it was titled, when I first watched this same video) to the current, changed, new title: "Urban Warfare"

War Games: Israeli Urban Warfare

http://youtu.be/bzY59lJ1A-w
VICE News
Published on Jul 9, 2014

The city has become a battlefield. As modern militaries must adapt to a landscape that often gives the upper hand to insurgents, proper training becomes more essential than ever. VICE News correspondent Alex Miller travels to Israel, home to one of the largest and most advanced urban warfare training centers in the world, to embed with a unit practicing effective urban combat tactics before employing them in the streets.

Hm... kinda like one of these at Fort AP Hill, Virginia:

Hey, at least the Amerikan War propagandists had the PR savvy to call it: "Asymmetric Warfare Center"!!

Come now IDF, get with the f'ng program, ya Z-tier propagandists! LOL

Military Training To Deploy In American Cities

http://youtu.be/9SRxbb7nGrc
TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on May 15, 2014

David Knight and SSG Joe Biggs travel to Ft. AP military base outside of Bowling Greene Virginia.An elaborate small town america training ground for what could be a domestic terrorist threat that the government perceives is the US population. Watch them discover what's really there.

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-builds-fake-city-in-virgini...
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-us-army-trains-for-martial-...
http://www.infowars.com/dirty-dhs-busted-aiding-terrorists/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Sadly..

...one of the most depressing aspects of this situation is the constant stream of "Israel is completely justified" propaganda that is being spewed all over my facebook news-feed by some of my conservative, supposedly "Christian" friends.....disgusts me.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

I am not 'acting' like we aren't involved and helpless

I am wishing we weren't involved, at all. I've heard all the arguments and have decided not to care since I am putting my efforts towards local issues where my neighbors have to fight our own ruthless government policies here.

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Two Wrongs Don't Make Peace.

While I agree that the Israeli State is an out of control State with apartheid policies, on the other hand, the Palestinians muslims are also out of control in their own way. The Palestinians muslims are not innocent christian Germans either. No, they gained Gaza and what did they do? They maliciously fired hundreds & hundreds of rockets into Israel cities each year. And this evil Palestinian response fits nicely into the evil zionist plans for a 'greater Israel' on the other side.

So at all times we must keep at the forefront of our minds that there is no "good side" to this conflict. Both are 100% wrong. Both are 100% guilty.

Most of all, both extremists on each side of the Israel vs Palestinians gain MORE POWER by this slow burning war between the two. Moreover, each side's general population has bought into each sides narrative of victimization and their own complete innocence. Therefore, both parties to this conflict seeing no mud in their own eye, demand "justice".

For these reasons above and many more, both sides put their collective fingers into their ears when 10 years ago the "Saudi Peace Plan" was announced. It would have recognized Israel & Palestine and put an end to the violence. But that was the problem with the Saudi Peace Plan, the power structures on both sides who live & maintain their power off the victim narrative WOULD HAVE LOST POWER by going along with the Saudi Peace Plan.

The best thing that we and 'the world" can do is help and assist NEITHER party. All military and financial aid to Israel must stop, and the same aid to the Palestinians must stop. Yes, all economic, military & humanitarian aid to BOTH SIDES, must STOP. Strange answer, but its true. By boycotting both, in a myriad of ways, "bringing both parties to their knees" via economic, social, and political ostracism is the only way to affect positive change in this situation. By staying out of it, peace wins, or at least has a fighting chance to arise. By choosing one side over the other, the conflict perpetuates.

We must recognize that both sides seek to teach "the world" their victimization narrative. They seek to supply us with facts that support their "we are 100% right, the other is 100% wrong" victim narrative.

Indeed, the rest of the world is lining up along these two factional lines. No good peace will come from doing this, in fact by choosing a side, by buying into one victimization narrative or the other, it will only INCREASE the violence that plays out.

The best solution is therefore, complete disengagement and full ostracization from BOTH parties in this dispute. Isolated and all alone, they will have only each other. Isolated and alone, they will be forced to at the very least cool their explosive war down to a simmer.

So if we want peace, the answer is, "Stay out of it" and "Isolate the two parties". Yes this is a counter intuitive answer; what libertarian solution in politics is not? Yes our human gut instinct is that one party "must be right" and the other party "must be wrong". But in this situation, the honest answer is that "they are both wrong, neither is right".

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...What is Wrong? What is right?

When both "parties " or "participants" are "right" then the end result is:
"Might Makes Right".....WAR.

What if they had a war and nobody came?

I hear ya.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Would creditors scare people into making the state borrow.

War drums drum up business.

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ecorob's picture

Everything in politics...

happens for a reason. We all know this.
Usually, it's a reason that we, the people don't have a clue about.

Sadly, EVERYTHING is planned for us.

The Palestinians have been squeezed out of Gaza since 1947 (with our government's blessing and our taxes for monetary support, yes).

Who is surprised?

If not for us here, and DP outrage, there would be no outrage.

I hate presstitutes.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You mean they were squeezed

You mean they
were squeezed out of Israel in 1947.

If you asked Frankenstein where he was born he'd lie too

he has to make up some story if he doesn't want to be seen as the fictional experiment he is.

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

LittleWing's picture

Gilad Sharon: "Flatten all of Gaza"

Gilad Sharon, the son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has an Op-Ed in today's Jerusalem Post in which, among other things, he writes [emphasis added]:

"We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

"There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing."

Israel's Interior Minister, Eli Yishai, said this about Israel's attacks on Gaza: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

*****
172 killed 1000 injured Palestinians, many women and children, one family lost 18 members to air strike. Sadly,it will get a lot worse.

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Praise for exploding a second

Praise for exploding a second nuclear weapon, in order to 'speed' surrender... and this Administration supports regardless. Non-intervention starts, in this case, with no more supply of weaponry. If Congress were already libertarian, that non supply would be real.

Begin's admission

Begin's admission in 1982 Israel started 3 of its wars

http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/156-washington-report-ar...