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Gary Johnson: ‘Abolish the IRS’

By Rob Nikolewski │ New Mexico Watchdog
July 14, 2014

SANTA FE, N.M. — For 2012 Libertarian Party presidential candidate and former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, the ongoing controversy at the Internal Revenue Service is further proof the agency should be eliminated.

“Imagine life without having to deal with the IRS,” Johnson told New Mexico Watchdog in an interview just two days after a new development in the IRS story, in which former IRS official Lois Lerner warned colleagues to be careful about what they write in emails amid congressional inquiries.

“None of it surprises me,” Johnson said. “To a higher degree or a lesser degree this is what happens when you have bureaucrats in charge that can manipulate the system any way they so choose.”

A federal judge on Thursday ordered IRS officials to explain under oath how Lerner’s emails disappeared and how they might be recovered.

“Come on, loss of emails? Give me a break,” Johnson said. “If that doesn’t outrage anybody who looks at this, then you’re out to lunch.”

Johnson’s call to abolish the agency dates back to 2009, after he met with a number of economists, including Jeffrey Miron, director of Undergraduate Studies in the Department of Economics at Harvard, who became an adviser in Johnson’s 2012 campaign.

“Let’s abolish the IRS, let’s eliminate income tax, let’s eliminate corporate tax, let’s balance the federal budget and if we need a tax, it can be one federal consumption tax,” Johnson said.

But how would that work?


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The 16th amendment allegedly

The 16th amendment allegedly was ratified as required by Delaware on Feb, 3 1913. This prerequisite was in place before the Federal Reserve Act was passed in Dec 1913.

To entice members to pay accept stocks in return for paid up Reserves the income tax was legalized to provide a means of miking the public to pay the guaranteed 6% on paid in reserves after expenses. And the interest on treasury bonds.

The purpose of a central bank is to re-distribute wealth to the haves from the have-nots.

Alexander Hamilton's American System is a cheat and a fraud on people bamboozled in to believing the State made them free.

The free state of a free people would only accept voluntary contributions.

Free includes debt-free!

How about abolishing all federal tax.

If people want to support the federal government, let them make donations, just like they do to private charities. That way we will get the level of government we really want, not the amount of government the politicians want to force on us.

Couple the end of taxation with a requirement that the government may not borrow, and maybe then we can claim to live in a free country.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Aint' Goin' to Happen

Think of the unemployed IRS agent workers... think how many accountants there are. All those workers appreciate the complications of the tax codes... its one of the perks. Its JOB SECURITY. Think about them having to abandon their careers and coming after your job. That being said, I'm all for Johnson's, Paul's and many others proposals on the IRS. But if you want to know what it would be like without the IRS, have a simple flat-tax or consumer tax, better add what I mentioned above to that equation.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

Wrong headed. Abolish government spending, pay the debt first.

Payoff national debt in 4,000 years, close the Central bank, in that order.

We should have started years ago.

A country free of debt would be a modern wonder!

Free includes debt-free!

3rd party...

Gary Johnson does appear to be ramping up for 2016 - likely on the Libertarian line again.

The U.S. is in serious upheaval, and, I believe, major 3rd party influence is coming.

"Banking was conceived in

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." -- Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau

Strike the root or stfu! I don't want to hear about 'fixing' the tax system.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Looks like he's gearing up to run

against Rand, instead of supporting him. Somebody pulled that on Ron Paul, too. Who was that? Oh, I remember!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

It is Johnson's right to run

How dare you come here of all places and start pointing fingers like a RINO. We didn't win because so and so stole our votes. How dare you.

It is possible to run against somebody in a primary and support them in the general election or conceed and support them during the primary. Johnson has every right to run for president if he feels like it and he's a damned score better than 99.9% of the candidates out there right now; just like Dr. Paul Jr.

the republican party

and the msm, hand in hand destroyed the ron paul campaign, but they can't destroy the freedom movement. johnson was the only supporter of ron's at the couple of debates they allowed him to attend. i don't think his 1% was a factor in rombama winning or losing. maybe the libertarian party can add to that percentage the next time the establishment has an election.

NO! - Johnson doesn't want to abolish the IRS, he wants to

replace it with something that will take another 100+ years to be rid of.

We don't need a consumption tax either.

We don't need the level of government we have now - not by lightyears.

We need to stop spending and we need to turn off the money spigot - not divert the pipes from a different source.

and rand wants

the flat tax

what does his father say: he wants the flat tax so flat it's zero.

I think moving to a flat tax is a wonderful idea

The problem is that, at present, we will not willy-nilly just eradicate the IRS. Not going to happen today or tomorrow. However, we can starve the beast.

First, the flat tax. Now, the flat tax would eliminate MUCH of the IRS's power almost instantly without appearing to do so. You may find yourself asking, "how?" Glad you asked. With a flat tax there are no tax loop holes, no hiddent tax traps, no complicated mathematical equations that only God can understand and then even He is left scratching his head wondering why we do this to ourselves. The flat tax means calculations are simple and then if you don't pay enough they know instantly and audits lose their bite.

Second, now comes the good part. You see, the IRS is now weakened and starving. No need to have somebody go over millions of documents so no need to have a ton of people on staff to check these overly complex documents or go busting down doors because somebody was short five bucks. So, the layoffs begin because you can't justify keeping such a large force around to make sure somebody did a simple X * N calculation correctly.

Third, now comes the better part. With a weakend IRS their clout goes down. When this happens it gets easier to lower the tax. Say we start off with an N% tax. Well, look at that; another election is coming around. My party is doing rather poorly in the poles so let's pass a 1% tax cut. It'll just be for a year and then we'll go back to 15%. Oh, damn, we're getting stomped in the polls. We'll make that tax cut permanant; (N - 1)% is still a good amount of money coming in. Wash, rince, and repeat. The tax rate is slowly killed off and eventually we get the near zero to zero tax rate we want.

A flat tax may not KILL the income tax completely but it will eventually give us something better. And any small victory is better than no victory at all.

Pipe dream. We will end up with both and be worse off for it.

That doesn't even get into the regressivity issue, or the "everyone a welfare recipient" issue.

You are trying to answer the WRONG question.

You are trying to find another way to fund drunken sailors.

You should instead focus on sobering them up.

I don't see how it could get worse

Right now we're getting screwed by the IRS in a fassion I suspect they don't even understand themselves. Compound this with the near limitless amount of tax dollars they can fund themselves with and we're really not any worse off no matter how you decide to rob us. They're already taking our money under threat of imprisonment and/or death.

The question has always been how do we wake people up. The answer is in the same manner in which you would sober up a crack addict; a bit at a time. Most people can't handle thinking that runs 100% counter to how they were raised. Taxes are as inevitable as death; right? So, you simply ween them off of taxes until their children are taught that income taxes really aren't needed. If the income tax had started out at what it is today then people would have rioted in the streets back then. However, they weened them into taxes. Now, we simply have to reverse course.

But this plan doesn't ween them off taxes. It merely

changes where they pay the tax and how you calculate it.

The plan even has as a deal-breaker that it HAS to take in the same amount of money with this other method - thus it SAVES YOU NOTHING.

This means Congress is still getting as much as they are collecting now, and now have a new mechanism people don't understand as well as the current one to take even more money before another 100 years pass and people figure it out.

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The founders set it up to apportion federal taxes among the

States, and at the same time have State representation in Congress. Since the States would be writing the checks, and not the People directly (abhorrent to the founders), the level of federal spending will be put back in it's constitutional box. None of the "fair" or "flat" schemes will accomplish this. Repeal of the 16th and 17th is the only way to fix the problems and restore the republic.
Ps: I haven't seen you around for a while. I always enjoy your comments, and good to see you tickling the keyboard still!

Undo what Wilson did

Thanks! Yes, I agree totally. Repeal 16 & 17 at the least.

We must get back to the fundamental idea that we are a confederacy of independent and interdependent States. (not mere provinces)

When we start viewing ourselves that way, the solutions magically become clear and apparent.

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Some people I talk to samadamscw,

worry that we would end up with 50 little dictatorships by re-empowering the states. I say it took 100 years for the pendulum to swing this far, so let's let it swing back the other way for a while. At least we would each have a smaller and closer to home entity to watch over, and it would take some time for the rats to take over 50 sovereign states.

Undo what Wilson did

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I like Gary Johnson...

And hope he continues in politics. He carries a great pro-Liberty message. I'd be thrilled with a Rand Paul / Gary Johnson ticket (for that matter, a Gary Johnson / Rand Paul ticket as well)

And he's right - we should abolish the IRS. It's a cesspool of bureaucratic incompetence and corruption whose only goal is to fleece the American taxpayer.

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'End The FED'