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Why are people on here Anti-Israel?

I don't understand it. Why are Jews not allowed to have their own country in the Middle East, where they are historically from? Why do people on here defend crazy suicide bombers who kill innocent men, women, and children?

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Israel is 2nd most Violent and Murderous Nation on the Planet.


The 1st is The United States, of course. Perpetual Global War...all the time!

So there is no reason to like Israel? American lives are not helped in any way by Israel. But Billions of our Tax Dollars are sure as hell stolen away right out from under us...because of Israel.

Sorry....there's nothing to like here.



Because Israel is doing to Palestine what Hitler did to the Jews

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Because Noah's Ark was the

Because Noah's Ark was the world's biggest zoo, and it is being replicated in a digital way here on the Daily Paul.

Crazy! History in the making.

It's a very big Ark full of life.

Good and bad.

But it's all good in the end.

Negative 99 votes?

When's the last time someone got 99 up votes?

Thank God the Ark is not a democracy where minor majorities rule.

That would be like putting children in charge of the planet.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

They cost us to much money

I think religion is trouble. There has been way to many people who have been killed under some religion belief. I think if you ask a man to kill someone. The man would say no. If you asked him to kill for a god, he would do so.

I don't think we should help anyone out. We should leave the middle east alone, we have our own terrorist in Mexico to handle.

I Am Not Anti-Israel

I am pro-America and neutral everything else.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Because settler colonization and ethnic cleansing...

...are not only illegal under international law but immoral under God's law.

What "Israel" (in name only) has been doing to the Palestinians reminds me of what our own USA did to the Indians. It was evil then and it's still evil.

"The evil, Sir, is enormous; the inevitable suffering incalculable. Do not stain the fair fame of the country. . . . Nations of dependent Indians, against their will, under color of law, are driven from their homes into the wilderness. You cannot explain it; you cannot reason it away. . . . Our friends will view this measure with sorrow, and our enemies alone with joy. And we ourselves, Sir, when the interests and passions of the day are past, shall look back upon it, I fear, with self-reproach, and a regret as bitter as unavailing." ~ Representative Edward Everett (statement against the Indian Removal Act, 1830)

"There is no Zionism, colonization, or Jewish state without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." ~ Ariel Sharon (November 15, 1998)

Because they aren't practicing their religion.

They worship the State of Israel instead of God.

They claim to be proud of their religion and lay claim to the land because an ancient half fiction book said all the land is theirs. The government has turned it into an ugly beast that has nothing to do with their religion, but scream anti-semite or call you a self-loathing Jew if you show any empathy towards Palestinians.

They break treaties and steal Palestinian land. They bully their way onto Palestinian land and build illegal settlements on it. Because they can. If you try to do something about it they just kill you.

Pretty much how America stole land, broke treaties....and still breaking treaties with Native Americans. Wiping them out and trying to eradicate them. Genocide.

"The worship of the state makes it necessary for Jews to turn Judaism into an auxiliary of ultra-nationalist blindness. Every act of the State of Israel against the Palestinian people is seen as sanctioned by God. Each Sabbath Jews in synagogues around the world are offered prayers for the well-being of the State of Israel but not for our Arab cousins. The very suggestion that we should be praying for the Palestinian people’s welfare is seen as heresy and proof of being “self-hating Jews.” http://www.salon.com/2014/08/04/israel_has_broken_my_heart_i...

I am not in one camp or the other

But it is obvious people are more passionate about the Israel-Palestine conflict than comparable conflicts across the globe equally influenced by western imperialism.

I don't think many people are

I don't think many people are anti-Israel here. I think they are critical of the actions the current Israeli government is taking and critical of the way the USA enables these actions. If it weren't for the US government, Israel wouldn't be able to act as belligerent as they do. They would have to practice diplomacy.

Everyone here believes in self-determination. Israel has a right to exist if the settled people consent to the government.

I believe the book Ron Paul recommends on this subject is Palestine Peace not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter, good and easy read.

I'm not anti-Israel

I'm just anti-jerks.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Voltaire

I don't what American

I don't want American Taxpayer dollars to support for someone else's military....therefore I am anti-semitic.

Why would we support a theocracy?

The simple answer is that most of us here believe in the idea of a constitutional republic, which for one thing, isn't the form of government Israel has. Also, the very first amendment of the Bill of Rights expressly forbids power being granted to government which might then be used to enhance any religious ideology over that of the religious freedoms of others.
This is not to say that Israel itself establishing a theocracy on behalf of itself or that of its own citizens outside my country is a violation of my first amendment rights, but it is however that my own government exercising power we as Americans have entrusted it to wield, is in fact a violation of my first amendment rights when it is my government acts in a way that supports a theocracy even if that theocracy is not inside the territory of this my own country. It does not matter where the establishment of theocracy might occur, my government is supposed to be forbidden from even having such power which could thus be corrupted in any such way. That is the basis and means of the establishing the idea of a separation between church and state as the separation relies on government having no such power to grant to any religion at all to begin with. Yet our government has overstepped a loophole in our bylaws, which as we see as no doubt occurring on behalf of the ideology of Jewish Zionism and thus wrong and would still be wrong if the US was supporting yet another religious ideology in yet even another part of the world.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Can You Cite Even One Case Of A Suicide Bomber Where ...

... an Israeli was ever killed or even injured?

According to Jim Stone the freelance journalist, there never were any Muslim suicide bombers in Israel, but rather only frame jobs by Israelis to make the appearance that there have been Muslim suicide bombers. He explains how it was done.

Jim also explains how there were no Hamas rockets, nor tunnels either. It is all nothing more than evil to the core propaganda lies and deception:

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com

Note: It seems many ISP's block this site - a strong indicator that Jim is speaking truth which the "powers that be" would prefer you not have an opportunity to know.

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- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

So, I feel the same way I do

So, I feel the same way I do about our bombing of Hiroshima and Nagaski, the bombing of Dresden, etc.

They attacked us, and/or they were an existential threat. That is the motive for going to war. That was our perception of it, and frankly, I believe that was a correct perception. We needed to win, and they needed to lose.

What Israel is doing...they feel that Hamas/Palestine is an existential threat. That isn't an excuse, but it is a reason. Whether you agree with their perception or not, that is their perception. And, even if we can say that Israel is too powerful; there is no way their very existence is threatened, Hamas, as well as the other bordering territories/governments, possess the capability to enact harm on the Jewish population.

The Jews/Israeli government wants to protect its people. And their hands appear to be tied. Diplomacy hasn't worked, friendship hasn't worked, concession hasn't worked. They've bowed to external pressures before and left Gaza, or ceased military activity, etc. Those actions didn't work.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Someone challenged

I can't remember if it was someone's post, or if it was just a comment, that challenged us to dig further into the history of the Jews and Palestinians. Truly, I thought I already understood the situation. A little time on Wikipedia disabused me of that notion.

While I haven't yet had time to dive into primary sources, this is my overall understanding of the situation.

The land in question was owned by foreign Arabs during the Ottoman Empire. These Arabs leased the land to tenant farmers over several centuries. The Ottoman Empire resisted resettlement by Jews for many years because they were worried the Eastern European Jews would be politically aligned with the Ottoman enemy: Russia. After the end of the Ottoman Empire, through various agreements and treaties, Jews were once again allowed to buy land in Palestine. They spent quite a lot of resources to resettle the land of their ancestors, and soon they had bought back a considerable portion from those foreign Arabs. Because of rising tensions as the tenant farmers were displaced, Jordan was created to be predominantly Arab and Palestine/Israel/(whatever you want to call this geographical area) was to be predominantly Jewish. However, this still left many of those tenant farmers poor, displaced and living in the area of the Jews.

It seems like a chicken/egg conundrum to me. The Jews wanted to live there, but they were prevented from living there by the Ottoman Empire. When they were finally allowed back in, they legitimately bought the land from the foreign Arabs. This displaced the Palestinians through legal means. Yet, the Palestinians had farmed that land for generations and probably think of it as "theirs" even if it isn't so legally. Regardless, the tenant farmers were clearly not of the political or monetary means to have a real voice in the process.

While I find the current hostilities toward the Palestinians to be a humanitarian crisis, it is entirely possible that the Jews are just claiming rights to land that they legitimately bought.

I do not think that the Jews' current treatment of Palestinians is right in any MORAL sense, but I'm not sure that you can stand for contract rights and deny the right of Jews to live in Israel.

Thanks to whoever suggested we do a little more research on the topic of Israeli-Arab conflict. It has been an enlightening journey.

I started here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Palestine_conflict

You can do better than...

Wikipedia for your research. Order these books: "Against Our Better Judgment" by Alison Weir; "What Price Israel?" by Alfred Lilienthal; "The General's Son" by Miko Peled; "Zion's Christian Soldiers" and "Christian Zionism" by Stephen Sizer. Sizer's books can be read on the websiste "Challenging Christian Zionism."

Miko Peled is the son of a famous Israeli General and you can see a video of him speaking on You tube.

Then check out the website "If Americans Knew" for a good comprehensive history of Palestine.

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Minnesota Mary

I'll add those

to my reading list. Thanks!

Israel is a sovereign state

Israel is a sovereign state and should make the decisions they feel that are best for their defense. However, the US should not give them military aid and Israel should be responsible for the consequences of its actions. They shouldn't expect us to bail them out.

I don't believe in the US giving military aid to ANY country.

As for AIPAC, it is a foreign lobbying group in my view and anti-American, because it puts Israel first.

The establishment of a jewish state

After WWII insured that the global war would continue.

Besides, I'd be willing to bet that very few of the current Israelis have ancestral links to Palestine. certainly the Ashkenazim don't.

totally agree Ironman

You are correct, the people who claim to be ancestrally connected to Israel are full of crap. The vast majority have their roots in Kazaria.
What really bothers me is that the world treats Jews as though it is a race. It's just another Fked Up religion.
We can make jokes about Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Buddhists, but woe to the sorry prick that jokes about a Jew (should that even be capitalized?)
Anyway I have a lot more to say about it but I'll refrain.... for now.
But thanks Ironman, good to see your post.

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In America, it seems...

being "jewish" isn't so much a religion, but a state of mind!! I know New York Italians who are VERY jewish!! LOL
But I think you're absolutely right...it IS NOT a race, it's just one of a multitude of F'd-up religions...and no, it shouldn't be capitalized.
About the jokes, etc...you're right there too. It's all about the brainwashing of the public. To say anything negative about Barry results is accusations of your being a racist. To tell a jewish joke and suddenly you're anti-semetic. Stereotypes don't just fall out of the sky...they're based on factual observations...and that's what makes the jokes funny!! ...like the coffee mug I have to commemorate my Mom, "You can always tell a German...but you can't tell him much".
Truer words have never been written! LOL

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

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Etymologically, 'Jewish' can be derived from characteristics of Ju-daism though linguistically, it would be an improper substitute for 'Judaic'.

Thus when considering parallels such as 'Muslimish' for someone who practices Islam or even 'Blackish' for someone who is ethnically African, such terms' latent presupposition and pretension become apparent.

It's based

of the religion created by the Pharisees, now called rabbis, which isn't restricted to religous, as 50% of Israelis are atheist. However, it has been built into the the culture of most all Jews, whether they be Orthodox, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Messianic, ect. They all believe they are a superior people, as the Pharisees changed the Laws of Moses, as having to follow those Laws to be considered 'chosen', to being 'chosen' by birth. This is the dilemma, which has led to persecution and exile from over 100 countries. They are told in the Talmud (oral writings of the Pharisees), that they can lie, cheat, steal and even kill gentiles, and are still 'chosen'. They are just forbiden to use these immoralities against other Jews.

IMO

The preconceptions of a 'chosen'
religion
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/jewsaschosenpeop...
people
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/chosen_p...
or land
http://www.shalach.org/IsraelFacts/IsraelFacts.htm
are unprincipled, and have no validity concerning claims of civic property.

Diplomatically, the proper solution regarding nationhood in the 'Holy Land' would be to negotiate on civic terms, and leave private creeds aside
(including other claims of 'chosen' religions
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/articles/119792/the-chosen...
or messiahs)
http://www.examiner.com/article/christianity-101-what-does-i...

I really amounts

to believing in supremicism, it's really that simple. They believe, they are superior beings and everybody else are goy or like cattle to their superior stature. Those who support them, must also believe they are superior beings, and not equal creations and loved by the Creator. There is absolutely no way to 'really' believe in Liberty and support supresmicism of a certain people. They control the Fed, Banks, Hollywood, MSM, ect, and believe they deserve to be in control, which many brag about, because they believe they are 'chosen' or superior and everybody else should work for their cause, no matter how destitute the workers become by doing so.

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Unfortunately it appears that numerous generations can be inculcated towards believing a figmentation, although I have friends who would call themselves 'Jewish' (or Muslim / Christian) and express no signs of pretension.

Ultimately I feel sad for those who have suffered under dogma since in principle, individuals are free to conscientiously choose dignity and love.

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Bring out the "J" word and

Bring out the "J" word and watch the comments fly!! Why should we care? Why are we labeled such terrible people if we DON'T care? Why is it we are allowed to NOT care about the plight of people in places like Zimbabwe but we damn well better care about people in Israel??

Beware the cult of "government"...

I'm curious.

Why are Christians, not hiring mercenaries to go protect the Christian enclaves around the Middle East before they are wiped out?

Christianity is a rich religion. Why isn't it protecting itself?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Start doing your own...

research on the history of Palestine and Israel. A good book to start with is "Against Our Better Judgment" by Alison Weir. Then try reading "What Price Israel?" by Alfred Lilienthal. "The General's Son" by Miko Peled is a good book to read also.

Other good books are "Zion's Christian Soldiers" and "Christian Zionism" by Stephen Sizer.

www.mondoweiss.org and www.ifamericansknew.org are good websites to check out for information about the the past and the present situation in Palestine/Israel.

If you only get your information from the lame stream media, you are not getting the truth. You have to be a truth seeker to get the real story.

Minnesota Mary

Shhh

Don't tell anyone, but I support Israel.