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Ask this Question - Why Malaysia?

Why have two aircraft from the Malaysian National Carrier met their demise in just 4 months? Is it just "bad luck".

What is Malaysian-Russian relationship?
What is Malaysia's economic power in Asia?
What is Malaysia's relationship to global banking, the IMF & World Bank?

Some facts:

1. Energy - Malaysia has an abundance of oil & gas and lies in the middle of energy-hungry Asia. Petronas is the state-owned energy company and all foreign firms must partner with Petronas. Petronas is the 8th most profitable company in the world and #1 in Asia. Only 40% of Malaysia's oil & gas fields are developed.

2. Currency - the Malay currency is the Ringgit. It is not traded internationally because the National Bank of Malaysia does not want it to be. They saw the speculation from the Asian crisis and do not want to lose control of their currency. (I would like to know how they back it).

3. IMF & World Bank - Back to the 97' Asian Currency Crisis: The Bank of Malaysia refused IMF & World Bank loans. They took the hard medicine and restructured their debt domestically. The result - it was over in a few years and they boomed.

4. Islamic Banking - Malaysia is a leader in global Islamic Banking. The Malaysian National Bank established the International Center for Education in Islamic Finance in 2006. http://www.inceif.org/

5. Russian Sukhois - Malaysia is considering a major purchase of advanced fighter jets from 5 suppliers: 1 Russian (Sukhoi) and the others are EU or US. *** They already have 18 Su-30MKM fighters they bought in 2003.

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Interview - Malaysian Defense Minister

Defense Minister interviewed by Australian reporter about MH370...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Here's something to make your

Here's something to make your heads' spin.

I have a very real, very good contact that I got this information from--someone so close to what was happening to MH370 that it honestly can't get any better.

The very first suspicion the US government had when MH370 disappeared was that a UFO shot the plane out of the sky.

I shit you not. Can you imagine?

My contact reported to work, and this is what (person) was briefed on. The (person) was so taken back by this that the first response was to LOL at the entire idea. (Person) couldn't believe what they were hearing.

(Person)'s job after that was to prove otherwise, and (person) did.

Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. I can't give names or any other details, all I can tell you is what this person told me and they were directly involved.

References

Please post references.

And UFO, Unidentified Flying Object, can be anything including an unidentified airplane. If you don't clarify it sounds like you are saying Martians shot the plane down.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

No, he meant aliens... and

No, he meant aliens... and not the ones that cross borders under fences.

This is what Malaysia is involved in:

A victim of international banking fraud, and they are pursuing it vociferously.

It's akin to Barbara Yellin & Ben Bernanke being indicted, it's that serious.

The aggressor in this case is Australia, who is so worried about the case they have thrown a gag order on the gag order (no joke):

http://www.dailypaul.com/323448/watch-what-you-tweet-caution...

I can't provide links to the actual items as there are no links I can find. Anyone who actually published the material would never in future be able to visit Australia, so I can see the hesitancy.

What I provided is just buzz, unverified but likely true. The double gag order itself has been verified apparently by Wikileaks.

I'm not sure how this relates to the airliner or if it does (I haven't been following much of the airliner stories really), but this is by far the biggest news event relating to Malaysia. (Double gagged, no less)

So.....the world bank is sending a message by....

Destroying civilians airliners in apparently unrelated incidents?

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scrub the question....

it was only 1 plane.
They just used it twice.

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I live in Malaysia most of

I live in Malaysia most of the year. I have a friend here that works for the US government. We talked a lot about MH370.

All I'll say is, rather than conspiracy it's more incompetence and internal politics.

As for MH17, again, incompetence is the simplest answer.

Living here makes me not even question either one of these conclusions... and neither should you unless you fully understand this country.

Can you elaborate?

Would be good to hear it...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Sure, ask me a question.

Sure, ask me a question.

The incompetence

and the politics. You say those are the cause. How would that correlate to two downed aircraft?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

PM weak. Foes even inside own

PM weak.

Foes even inside own party.

Civil aviation and military leaders dislike one another. Civil said, "South China Sea," military said, "No, Indian ocean." Civil had trust, connections and, apparently, huge ego so they won... recovery effort lost. Vietnam said "FU," and China pissed off because of all the shenanigans.

Accountability? By who? So much finger pointing, distrust, back stabbing, controlled media... already forgotten now... old news.

Russian Ambassador to Malaysia - Damage Control

And the fallout in relations between Russia and Malaysia begins as citizens are outraged and looking to blame someone...

Russian envoy Lyudmila G Vorobyeva (pic) said she was convinced that the rebels did not do it as they were not armed with sophisticated military system or possessed "any means" to do it.

Vorobyeva said the rebels were only armed with a “small portable air defence system” (shoulder mounted) that can go up to 5km.

“I am not a military expert, but that BUK missile system is very sophisticated that you need special training to operate it.

“The rebels did not have the book or qualification to operate it, but the Ukrainian military have it,” she said.

The Russian envoy also thanked the Malaysian government for remaining neutral until the investigation is over.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/MH17-Russia...

She said according to the Russian defence ministry, their armed forces had detected a Ukraine combat aircraft flying on the same route of MH17.

"It only proves that what is said about Russia and Russia's role in this awful tragedy is groundless in a very big extent,"

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/MH17-Russin...

Q: When it comes to this conflict, of course the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been ongoing. And with us, we would want to be clear that Malaysia and Russia never had any problem. A lot of people have now started asking, do we have problems with the Russian government, and I don't think we do. What's your comment?

A: Vorobyeva: As for problems between Russia and Malaysia, I am not aware of any problem that we could have between our two countries. The relations between our two countries have been developing in a very positive way in recent decades, in all levels.

I know many Malaysians are aware that there are now more than 5,000 Malaysians (close to 6,000 Malaysian students) studying in Russia and, in other areas, we have a very good trade turnover around US$3bil (RM9.5bil) and we have quite active political dialogues going on. We don't have any problems and issues with Malaysia.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/21/MH17-russia...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

It's the pattern

Once a countries Government sells out its citizens. The pressure never lets up. MH370 was the sell out. Ask Japan

Who sold out?

?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Malaysian Gold Reserves

"According to a statement by Malaysia's central bank, Bank Negara, the reserves position is sufficient to finance 9.4 months of retained imports and is 4.3 times the short-term external debt."

http://www.bullionstreet.com/news/malaysia-gold-reserves-hit...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

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Good observations. Here is more to consider.

In 2012, the Malaysian government convened a War Crimes Tribunal and convicted numerous high-level individuals in the Bush Administration, including Bush, Cheney and Rumsfelt, for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Bush, Cheney et al. can not travel to Malaysia for the rest of their lives. Because if they DID set foot on their soil...they would be immediately arrested, sentenced, and imprisoned.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribuna...

Also, in 2012, Malaysia hosted an international conference on 9/11, and of course, the conclusions the panel of experts there reached at the end of the conference--and unlike the whitewash of the 9/11 Commission--raised more questions than answers.

http://www.perdana4peace.org/events/conferences/911_revisited/

Just as individuals who blow the whistle about war crimes and controversial events such as 9/11 become unfairly targeted...perhaps nations who blow the whistle--like Malaysia--do to.

Just something to think about....

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thanks Shark

We are painting a picture here...

Two downed flights in 4 months. It just does not happen randomly. This is what immediately caught my attention.

The Malay military and intelligence services must be on high alert right now.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

sharkhearted's picture

Painting a picture indeed.

And the painting we uncover...has been made with BLOOD.

Great work uncovering this Colorado Sean. Keep up the good work.

Our survival as a species...depends on your efforts.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Malaysia Opposed Strike on Syria

PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia is opposed to any plans by the United States to strike Syria over President Bashar al-Assad’s purported use of chemical weapons against civilians as it will not solve any conflict faced by that strife-torn country.

Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman said there was bound to be collateral damage in any military action, which would end with more casualties.

“Malaysia has never been supportive of military intervention in any country.

“Political solution (is the best). We have seen what had happened in many countries; what happened in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

“We believe the world must let the Syrian people decide the destiny of their country,” he said here yesterday."

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/09/05/Malaysia-ag...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Mm

I think everyone can agree - it's sus.

Either they
1. have really poor navigation.
2. are easily controlled & paid to make "controlled mistakes"
3. have some folks that are out to ruin their business.

More Facts About Malaysia To Think About.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia

{Snip}: Malaysia has never recognised Israel and has no diplomatic ties with it. It has remained a strong supporter of the State of Palestine, and has called for Israel to be taken to the International Criminal Court over the Gaza flotilla raid, Malaysian peacekeeping forces are present in Lebanon and have contributed to many other UN peacekeeping missions

P. S. Palestine is being invaded by Israel as this is written.

beesting

Malaysian PM Praises Putin..

"In 2002, Malaysian PM Mahathir made a visit to Moscow. He stated that Russia could be a rival to the United States and Israel and he praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and his opposition to Western interference in other sovereign states."

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia%E2%80%93Russia_relations

** In 2003 Malaysia bought 18 Sukhoi Jet Fighters for $900 USD...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

http://youtu.be/VrdS8mYtEh4

Glonass - Satellite Navigation Wars

GLONASS: "Global Navigation Satellite System", is a space-based satellite navigation system operated by the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces. It provides an alternative to Global Positioning System (GPS) and is the only alternative navigational system in operation with global coverage and of comparable precision.

Besides the main Malaysia Space Centre, Angkasa has a handful of satellite-linked ground stations and facilities. The cooperation agreement on science and technology between Russia and Malaysia, which includes space exploration and meteorology, remains underutilised at the moment. The agreement goes well beyond sending Malaysians to the final frontier.

Russia’s satellite navigation services provider NIS GLONASS looks at Malaysia as one of its key markets in the Asia-Pacific Region and is looking to provide solutions to help the country’s transportation systems enhance safety and lower fuel costs.

http://rbth.asia/business/2013/07/19/top_5_areas_for_coopera...

Russia said it would shut down GPS stations in Russia on June 1 if Glonass stations are not allowed in the USA.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/731464

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/502171.html

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/06/27/us-refusal-...

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140716/190951363/Russian-GLONASS-t...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Good information

I just can't believe that is a coincidence two Malaysian planes downed in questionable circumstances in the span of only a few months. I suspect that the first one was aborted and crashed into the ocean after something went wrong.

Mathematical improbabilty

The odds against two Malaysian 747s randomly crashing over international airspace within 4 months are so great that it warrants investigation.

How do these incidents affect Malaysia and who potentially benefits directly or indirectly?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Odds stay the same

Correction, they were 777-200ER. Odds stay the same.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo