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Ukrainians did it!

This investigation and videos were pulled from internet. Video on the bottom depicts ukranian forces rotation in March. Video and pictures with one missing missile is the same unit. Not only was this unit filmed in the government controlled territory, but it was clearly operated by government forces. Another False flag brought to you by the us government?

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Wow was that inconclusive!

Was that supposed to support your claim?

You really need to work on your propaganda skills.

hmm

Dollar is screwed, economy is screwed, lies no longer work in their favor, they are desperately trying to replay the scenario from the great depression, next chapter: WW3.

Governments are always run by the psychopath.

Yes they did...

APPHOTO XDL103: Ukrainian government forces maneuver antiaircraft missile launchers Buk as they are transported north-west from Slavyansk, eastern Ukraine Friday, July 4, 2014. (AP Photo/Dmitry Lovetsky) (4 Jul 2014)

http://www.squamishchief.com/news/international/ukraine-pres...

http://www.coastreporter.net/news/international/ukraine-pres...

Yes. We know. Europe didn't want to play, so now they gotta pay!

Yes, we know. Europe didn't want to play along with Washington's sanctions against Russia, so they had to be SHOWN THE HARD WAY -- by blowing hundreds of their people out of the sky. Now they know who they're dealing with!

As if 88 people randomly massacred on Maidan Square, and 50 burnt to death in Odessa, wasn't lesson enough!

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Jesse Benton Did It

...with funds leftover from the last moneybomb.

"Channeled" by son Rand through his "Stand with Israel" proposal and contacts.

Don't believe me?

Check out RON's Weekly Texas-Straight-Talk.

The truth will set you free.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

How about a REAL investigation, instead of the propaganda?

http://www.dailypaul.com/322816/ron-pauls-texas-straight-tal...

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―Emmet Fox

Just Got Back..

...from that thread.

Next thing-ya-know.....they'll be blaming Rand!

(Oh yes..it's happening already)

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

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See this thread:

Technical Analysis: Malaysia Air Ukraine crash yotube video is bogus hack-job

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Opinions

Simply opinions. Like one of the commenters said, someone needs to go to that intersection and take a picture.

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Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

What's your point?

Gee, I'm still broken up about hearing this song after the Gold Medal Round in Basketball during the 1972 Munich Olympics too, but what does this have to do with anything happening today?

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

hmm

lets listen to what ohbummer has to say about this. Truth is the first victim in any war. Given past false flags perpetrated by us and given the fact that Ukraine is being advised by the same people and given the fact that the bidens son works for the company that was trying to pump oil in this region, sometimes it makes you think.

Let's wait for more evidence

Ukrainians could do that but the rocket's flight was more optimal if it was launched by Russians. The plane was downed in the geometrical center of the territory controlled by the separatists and 80-100 kilometers from Ukrainians at each and every direction.

More importantly rebels downed 2 military planes few days earlier.

Obviously, neither side wanted unrelated civilian casualties. Circumstantial evidence points to Russia and so does world's public opinion (and common sense). One has to be blind not to see that.It is important that the world's public opinion is kind of impartial. Most of the people do not give a shit about the differences between Russians and Ukrainians, in fact many of them speak the same language.

Let's wait for more evidence. Black boxes, tips, confessions, audits of the military records and documents. You can bet that whistleblowers will step in and will leak documents as no normal human being can accept such atrocities irrespective of who has done that. Give it some more time.

Real litmus test will be the remnants of the rocket itself as it will help to identify the serial number of the weapon and will help to trace the origins.

I can bet that the rebels will destroy the remnants of the rocket. If they were not guilty they would have opened the crash site to Russians, Ukrainians, Malaysians, EU, UN and any nation that desired an investigation. The fact is they haven't.

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Call for Evidence . . . and then baloney

You call for more evidence, and I agree with that opinion.

But then you make statements that have absolutely no foundation of evidence:

"Circumstantial evidence points to Russia and so does world's public opinion (and common sense). One has to be blind not to see that.It is important that the world's public opinion is kind of impartial."

'circumstantial evidence' ? Are you kidding ? There is either sufficient evidence, or not. You contradicted yourself.

'public opinion' ? - First of all, we have No Idea what the 'world's public opinion" is on this. Sufficient polling hasn't been done - not that this opinion makes a difference as to what the truth is anyway. The 'public opinion' you see comes from limited western 'news' media. Hardly 'impartial'. Bloomberg articles, for example, aren't 'evidence'. Check other sources of information.

'common sense' (appeal to popularity) 'one has to be blind not to see it' ( ad hominem, and begging the question) - More logical fallacies and contradictions of your initial call for evidence.

Either the plane was shot down by accident or on purpose. If an accident, there are several parties that could have been responsible. If on purpose (that is, they knew it was a civilian airliner from a non-combatant country) one must ask "Who benefits ?"

Please learn about logic and logical fallacies.
Unfortunately, too many people today 'think' in unsound ways like this. Critical thinking skills used to be taught to Americans in school, but not now. Thankfully, Ron Paul offers lessons on this in his Home Schooling program. It is a skill that any of us can learn.

The only thing you said that made sense and was consistent is that we need more evidence. On that point, we agree. But, it appears that you attempt to appear 'fair minded' while already having made up your mind.

Common sense? WTF?

Common sense says there's only one reason to deliberately kill uninvolved innocents like this, to incite public opinion against someone.

It is the opposite of common sense for Putin to do this deliberately.

There are only three plausible possibilities, in increasing order of likelihood.

1) It was not an 'innocent' flight, there was something militarily significant on the flight.
2) It was an accident, in which case it will still be used as if it were deliberate to blame some party, or all parties more likely.
3) It was shot down to blame someone else. When you deliberately kill innocents it's always to blame someone else.

What is not plausible is that Putin would kill innocents knowing he would be blamed. He's a murderer and a sociopath, but he's not batsiht insane.

He would kill his own people to blame it on the Ukrainians of the US or the west or whoever. That I would absolutely believe. I do not believe he would kill innocent people just so he could get world opinion against him.

That is common sense. Thinking he killed non Russian allied innocent people deliberately is the opposite of common sense.

If people stopped being so fcuking stupid as to believe these narratives then they might not do it anymore.

The phrase 'Common Sense"

is often used to cover lies or unclear thinking.

msn or fox news?

I guess that's where you get your opinion. On government news networks they show regions, like states, being controlled by the opposition, in reality they only control a fraction of the region, some cities to the south and a territory in between. That government controls most of the border minus a few kilometers which is controlled by the opposition. The plain FELL in the middle, traveling at few hundred miles per hour it did not fall straight down. All the air traffic is controlled by the government. Who had to gain and who had to lose? Public opinion is given to the public, none of them are smart enough to figure it out. Good luck to you.

In 'Propaganda' Edward Bernays said . . .

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. "

Bernays is considered the 'father' of modern propaganda methods used in the US and had a major role in getting the US people to go along with entering World War 1. Most peoples opinions on major issues are given to them and they merely parrot this; they do not think deeply about the issues themselves.

Such is 'public opinion'.

This sad condition won't change until American education is completely transformed from the path the globalist elitists put it on a century ago.

None of the above

I did read the news of both opposing sides, originals.

Nobody wins in this situation in reality, but Ukrainians are getting the appearance of being morally superior, because their opponent is stigmatized now.

I am not taking sides, I do not care. My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

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I have a Russian friend that will translate

I want to know what it says

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

It is called

google translate...did the entire page in 4 seconds.