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The Question No One Ever Asks About Israel vs The Palestinians...

Everyone in the media and in the U.S. government supports Israel's bombing of the small Gaza Strip and blames only the Palestinians for causing the conflict.

But no one ever asks the most basic and important question; What is driving the Palestinians to send rockets into Israel (which never hit any targets anyway)?

What is their complaint?

And Why does Israel refuse to recognize the Palestinians as a state?

Afterall, wasn't it the creation of the state of Israel which forced Palestinians from their homes in the 1940's (with the help of the U..S. and the world?).

Were not 750,000 Palestinians displaced and shoved into two small plots of land; the Gaza Strip and the West Bank?

Obviously Israel is here to stay with no intention of giving any land back. But could they not at least support a Two-State solution?

The answer is no because Israel doesn't want the Palestinians to have a voice or a vote in U.N. affairs.

It's obvious that Israel would like to eventually push the Palestinians into the sea. They have no interest in discussing a peaceful Palestinian State solution where they would get the same recognition as any other nation.

It seems that what Israel really wants equates to genocide or ethnic cleansing. This appears to be their goal for a final solution.

But it's the height of irony that a nation created out of these very same crimes against their own ethnicity now uses the same kind of actions against the people they displaced.

I'm no middle east expert, but as an observer of Palestinian / Israeli affairs, these are my conclusions.

I can't understand why much of the world refuses to recognize the Palestinians as a sovereign nation. Especially when this could very possibly end all the violence overnight.

Isn't it at least worth a try?
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The following is from Wikipedia on this subject...
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On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly passed a motion changing Palestine's "entity" status to "non-member observer state" by a vote of 138 to 9, with 41 abstentions.

Israel and a number of other countries do not recognize Palestine, taking the position that the establishment of this state can only be determined through direct negotiations between Israel and the PNA.

The main issues currently obstructing an agreement are, borders, security, water rights, the status of Jerusalem and freedom of access to religious sites, ongoing Israeli settlement expansion, and legalities concerning Palestinian refugees including the right of return.



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LittleWing's picture

Gaza is occupied Palestinian territory

Gaza along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory under international law.

Israeli settlement building in Palestine is a war crime under international law.

Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers)

Palestinians have the right under international law to resist occupation, ethnic cleansing, colonization, aggression, and annexation. Miko Peled, son of an Israeli general, recently stated that if Israel doesn’t Like rockets, they should decolonize Palestine. Dr. Norman Finkelstein notes that “The Palestinians have the right to use arms to resist an occupation . However, the fact that morally and legally they have that right doesn’t mean that it’s the most prudent strategy. In my opinion, a national Palestinian leadership committed to mobilizing nonviolent resistance can defeat the Israeli occupation if those of us living abroad lend support to it.”
continued:
Facts All US Citizens Need to Know About Israel and Palestine
http://www.globalresearch.ca/facts-all-us-citizens-need-to-k...

also see:
Stone Cold Justice
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/169490/Stone_Cold_Ju...

Rain of Fire
http://www.hrw.org/en/video/2009/03/25/rain-fire-white-phosp...

Occupation 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twvXHUNrXY

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

THANK you Little Wing...that's what I'M talking about...

I'm going to use your post a lot for education purposes.

It was very well written.

Why don't you post it as an active forum topic and maybe Michael will put it on the front page...it is worthy.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

LittleWing's picture

It's right here, pawnstorm

posted it a few days ago, well worth a read in full!

http://www.dailypaul.com/322843/facts-all-us-citizens-need-t...

Thank you for helping to educate on this subject!

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Did your post make the Front Page?

I don't remember seeing it there and I visit the DailyPaul...daily!

But I still could have missed it I suppose.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Israel vs Palestine is like Mike Tyson vs my sister.

The only question that needs to be asked is:

Why do we and the world put up with the terrorist state of Israel?

Answer: Cause we're just like them.

When did common sense become a super power?

Well said XDream

bump

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I thought

Gaza was part of Egypt before Israel took it in the 1967 war.
This has always been a disputed territory.

Thanks for posting my thoughts on front page Michael.

If things are not figured out over there, there will never be peace until Israel has cleansed the area of all Palestinians.

Since there are nearly 2 million living on the small Gaza Strip alone, it will mean a lot of killing.

And the U.S. Congress would fully support a genocide of all Palestinians.

I don't say that as some kind of joke. It is absoultely true.

Our government is mostly bought by the Jewish lobby and lots of Jewish campaign money donations. So naturally they keep mum no matter how many Palestinians are killed. And they won't chide Israel into considering a 2-State solution.

We give Israel 4 billion a year - the most of ANY other single nation. We built their Iron Dome system. We built their military and air force.

But we should end ALL FOREIGN AID to everyone and let those chips fall where they may.

Let the 7th Century fight with the 7th Century and keep our blood and treasure out of these kind of conflicts because the fact is, those cultures LOVE to fight and have for 3000 years.

The entire Old Testament of the Bible was fight, fight, fight and kill, kill, kill. Jewish law is still based on the credo "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

By giving that region arms and money, all we're doing is adding fuel to a fire and it's downright IMMORAL.

Lots of Palestinians have been killed with American-made weapons.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

look into the diff

between being jewish and being a Zionist.

We can't talk about Israel.

We can't talk about Israel. All we hear is "Israel is our friend", yet most pro-Israel politicians have their hands in some of the most destructive legislation in the United States.

The colonization starts in the 1920's.

The power to achieve the colonization starts in Britain in the late 1800's. Britain is the core cause of what forced the Arabs to defend themselves.

The core is not thousands of years ago. There is good info out there of Jews and Arabs both stating that they lived in "relative peace" in these areas. Not much different than how the Seneca nation in NYS phrased,"We are unofficially at war with New York State." I believe it is fair to say, that the Senecas live in relative peace.

Good point about Britain. Through much of history, Britain has

...been a core cause of plenty of conflict and unrest in the world.

Much like the Jews, the British must consider themselves one of God's chosen people with some kind of mandate to rule the world.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Thanks for the comments...

...anything to help shed some light on the subject.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Maybe this will help you to understand why and how

this all came about: http://mikopeled.com/2014/01/04/final-words-on-sharon-by-mik...

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

The Settlement Movement

The answer to this is the "Settlement Movement" of the the Israeli's. It is a direct call for extermination of the Palestinians and they, the settler's, are are quite determined and proud of their 'efforts'

unfortunately, it seems generational, too:

Radical Young Israelis and the Price Tag Attacks: Rockets and Revenge (Dispatch 7)

http://youtu.be/7NMwohMhP10
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For a few years, a young radical group of Israeli settlers in the West Bank have committed random acts of violence and vandalization against Palestinians and their property to make them pay the price for affronting their way of life. They call themselves "Pricetaggers," and they've largely avoided prosecution by Israeli authorities.

VICE News gets rare access to the young members of the Price Tag movement -- at the homecoming of Moriah Goldberg, 20, who just finished a 3-month sentence for throwing stones at Palestinians. She and her family remain proud of the act, even as the current conflict in Gaza was sparked after an all too familiar round of retributive violence.

Deadliest Day as Israel Intensifies Ground Offensive in Gaza: http://bit.ly/1nXEdpD

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** Just imagine, if one were to change the word "settlers" as La Raza-leaning "illegal aliens," and IsisRaEl with Aztlan.

Insto-Pressto! Pro-border NeoCon Christian Zionist inconsistency-burqa blindspot-issue resolved. LOL

Apparently welfare statist collectivist communists raiding a sovereign farmer/rancher's home & land, then illegally building on his land, is "settling-in," not stealing or squatting.

Nothing more than anti-property rights collectivist communist, anti-property terrorists, by any other definition. Nope. No hypocritical double standards here. Nope. These aren't the droids you're looking for!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

The two-state solution is dead

In fact, it was stillborn.

Many Israeli Jews believe they were given, by God, all the land between the Mediterranean and the Euphrates. They are the ones building 'settlements' in what supposedly was Arab land. They are the ones calling for the forcible depopulation of Gaza in order for it to be repopulated with Jews (see comments by MK Feiglin). Look at a map...there would be no place for a 'Palestine.'

Even if all the land currently occupied by Arab Palestinians were left intact, they would have no contiguous borders. The West Bank is an assortment of isolated islands of Arabs walled-off and surrounded by Israelis. No state can operate such a hodge podge of land as a nation.

No, the two state solution will not work. Only a one-state solution is viable, but the Israelis are horrified by such a concept and will resist letting it happen. They are highly sensitive to the ethnic makeup of Israel because they realize that if non-Jews make up too large a part of it, Israel will no longer be a 'Jewish State.' It will have to be a multi-cultural state with laws that neither favor nor punish any group. This is not in their mindset.

There was a meeting in St Louis (put on by a libertarian group) just after the Camp David Accords where Jews and Arabs were invited to presentations by both sides. It did not go well. One of the speakers was the editor of the Jewish Light. He extolled the virtues of the two-state solution. I spoke to him after the meeting descended into a mini-Arab/Israeli war (lots of screaming) and told him that I thought the idea of two states for two peoples implied ethnic cleansing on a big scale. He disagreed...he said they would sort themselves out by having the Arabs move to Arab countries and Jews to Israel. He had no appreciation for the human toll such a massive move would entail, nor the inevitable resentments that would be fostered.

When Israelis stop thinking of Israel as a 'Jewish State' and instead strive to create a 'Just State' there will be peace.