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Meat

Is For Pussies

(A how-to guide for dudes who want to get fit, kick ass and take names)

John Joseph wants men to know, in no uncertain terms, that they don’t need to eat steak, burgers, wings, ribs, or any other animal product, for that matter, to be strong—in fact, he would argue, eating animals is for the weak. Because when your protein sources come from animals, you’re missing out on all of the nutritional benefits of a plant-based diet—a diet that can make you more fit, more sexy, and more manly. 


http://www.amazon.com/Meat-Pussies-guide-dudes-names/dp/B005...

Make a smoothie with Joseph. Hilarious, but warning: lots of cussing.

http://youtu.be/OG8ltDiGnwM

"Kill negativity and see what you're capable of achieving"
-John Joseph
http://www.purepma.com/



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John Joseph

"When I gave up animal flesh and the horrific karma connected to that industry, something clicked inside."

Fuc, That's Delicious (Episode 3)

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Rand Paul 2016

'Power Foods For The Brain'

with Dr. Neal Barnard. You can skip the intro and go to Dr. Barnard at about 5:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxtRilvU5s0

Vegans and vegetarians have smaller brains and more disorders.

Why? According to Dr. Barry Groves, one reason is because they don't get 20 and 22 carbon long chain fats which principally come from eating animal products, and these are essential for brain function.

Another factor is they don't get enough B12, even when taking supplements, so they have higher rates of unipolar depressive disorders, anxiety disorders, somatoform disorders and syndromes, and eating disorders.

And to inflame their situation (pun intended) many vegans and vegetarians substitute disease producing Omega 6 fatty acids in generous, concentrated forms like seed oils for the saturated fats the rest of us get from eating animal products like meat.

Here are the details:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarians-have-smaller-br...

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/do-you-have-to-be-mental-to...

And if you want to understand the evidence that we now are, and for our entire long existence as a separate species have been designed to eat a high saturated fat, animal based diet, and not plant material to any significant extent, check out this viedo:

http://highsteaks.com/homo-carnivorus-what-we-are-designed-t...

It is a dangerous conclusion to say a vegan or vegetarian diet is good for health by simply comparing it to the horrid Standard American Diet. Neither vegan or vegetarian diets take us back to our roots where we lived disease free; our dietary roots are eating animals. The low fat diet promoted by Ansel Keys, George McCovern, and the bought and paid for American Heart Association is a fad, disease producing diet. Vegetarian and vegans are simply a refinement of this fad. 99.9% of human history we ate saturated fat from animals, and little if any plant material.

Something really needs to be funny to make me laugh out loud, and I did at the end of the above video, where Groves says that we are the only creatures clever enough to create our own food, and stupid enough to actually eat it.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Dr. Groves may have had a smaller brain

Seriously Henry, this is the man who claimed smoking didn't cause cancer, and whose cause of death is shrouded in mystery: cancer? heart attack? who knows, it's being kept a secret.

Dangerous Advice
I realize the web allows a forum for people with potentially dangerous advice, but I think most intelligent people can see through his straw arguments, so I welcome the opportunity to comment again to his skewed nutritional viewpoints and unsubstantiated claims. Each time Barry Groves reports on a medical study he gave a different conclusion to the data than the researchers do, and the studies are usually some poorly done old study. It is typical stuff for the Atkins crowd and the Weston Price Foundation to find one research paper they can claim makes their argument legitimate, but even when they hand pick one study, they typically don't report the research accurately.
Fortunately we have a comprehensive body of knowledge today with over 15,000 articles written since the 1950's documenting the link between a diet high in saturated fat and low in fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, vegetable and beans and the increase risk of cancer and heart disease. Thousands of research scientists don't agree with Barry Groves' meat-centered diet recommendations and the platform of the Weston Price Foundation.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/debunking-diet-myths-th...

Navel gazing at its finest

In the end it doesn't really matter all that much what you eat, as long as you don't eat too much, or in a destructive way. The air in an average city is enough to kill you, not to mention the stress.

The reason that there are so many obese people has nothing to do with the food, instead it has to do with the fact that there are so many stressed out, depressed, unhappy people. Many of these people used to be proud industrial robots, with nice neighborhoods, and a chance to move up into management. Now they are throw aways - the Lumpenproletariat, but able to scavenge enough wealth to get fat.

Why We Get Fat

I have to disagree with your post. Obesity has all to do with eating the wrong foods, that trigger fat storage hormones, among other metabolic issues.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259/


http://youtu.be/lDneyrETR2o

I more or less

agree, although I'd say it was their thinking that makes them so depressed and unhappy. certain individuals in concentration camps and others in prisons have kept an upbeat outlook. And I'd say that their thinking also leads them to what you call eating in a "destructive way" as well as other addictions.

The Doc

“The primary benefit of a vegan diet is that the removal of animal products usually necessitates a higher amount of nutrient-rich plant produce. The cons of a vegan diet could be the inclusion of too much heavily processed food, including seitan and isolated soy protein, flour, sweeteners and oils.” — Joel Fuhrman

“The biggest potential benefits of a Paleo diet are that it is low-glycemic and it prohibits refined foods, concentrated sweeteners and processed grains — foods that are at the
foundation of our obesity and diabetes epidemic. It can be an unhealthy way to eat, though, if you’re using commercially raised meats, or if the ratio of plant produce to animal products is not high enough.”— Joel Fuhrman

so... 4 things that are (or seem to be )missing from vegi/vegan

diet.

L-CARNITINE

IRON

B-12

CREATINE

how do you get those? (and yes you can supplement them w/supplements, but that just shows that the diet in itself is not really a natural diet that humans can live on)

answers

Iron
Dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.php

L-Carnitine
Healthy Vegans Do Not Need Carnitine
The best food sources of carnitine are animal products, including meats and dairies, but vegans who strictly avoid these products generally do not get carnitine deficiency.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/420041-do-vegans-need-carn...
in fact
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/carnitine-choline-cancer-and...

Creatine
Our bodies makes it naturally, but you may want to watch this
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/creatine-brain-fuel-suppleme...

B12
Yes, you're right vegans need to take B12, but not fanatically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmxREetE0Y
BTW "Micro-organisms, primarily bacteria, are the only known organisms that manufacture B12

Here is another deficiency in a vegetarian diet,

which has serious consequences to health, long chain omega 3 fatty acids particularly important for brain function:

http://www.omega-3.se/en/vegetarian.html

Vegetarian food is rich in linoleic acid, a short-chain omega-6 fatty acid, and it contains only small amounts of the short-chain omega-3 alpha linolenic acid (ALA). Furthermore, vegetarian food is practically absent of the long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA that are extra important for good health. These are often missing since they mainly come from fish. Women who are vegetarians have less DHA in their mother's milk than none-vegetarians. They can have as little as 0.05 percent compared to Inuit women who have 1.40 percent, this is 28 times as much. Chinese women on the island Zhangzi have up to 2.78 percent DHA in their milk (Fidlera et al.).

Herbivores are animals who eat only plants. Their bodies are made for a vegetarian diet, and they have enzymes in the liver that can transform the short-chain fatty acids to their long-chain derivatives. Predators cannot do this, instead they must eat the herbivores. The human body is able to transform only small amount of ALA to EPA and DHA. It is not known how efficient this transformation is, studies have shown different results. A limiting factor is that the same enzymes are used to transform both linoleic acid (omega-6) and ALA (omega-3), and it can not be done simultaneously.

A study from 2001 (Pawlosky et al.) indicates that only 0.2 percent of the ALA is transformed to EPA, but that the further transformation to DHA is more efficient. However, there are other studies where the transformation to EPA have been slightly more efficient. The process still seems to be inefficient and depending on many factors. This is why it is important to include the long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA in the diet. Deficiency of DHA can impair eyes and brain in fetus, it is therefore extra important for pregnant women to include DHA in their diet. For those who don't eat animal products, there will probably be supplements available in the future with EPA and DHA extracted from marine plants.

Even your pal, Dr. Joel Fuhrman points out that vegetarians get Parkinson's and lack of DHA is involved (he argues the point vigorously):

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/lack_of_DHA_linked_to_Parki...

Of course he has a algae based supplement he will sell you for $38.99 that get you a bottle with a total of 10,520 mg, while you can buy from Swanson's online an animal based supplement in a bottle containing 18,750 mg for $6.99. The sea animals eat the algae, concentrate the DHA and EPA, store it, and because it passed through them, I guess it suddenly is not so healthy, huh?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Let's hear it for algae

DHA
People consuming fish and fish oil may exceed the World Health Organization’s daily safety limit for dioxins and dioxin-like substances, such as PCBs, which reduces value of fish as a DHA source. In fact, fish oil may be so contaminated, it may even increase inflammatory markers, so much so that it may be not be able to counteract the adverse effects on mood caused by the arachidonic acid in fish. Other industrial toxins may include endocrine-disrupting pollutants and heavy metals such as mercury. Although tuna companies advertise tuna as safe and healthy for us and our children, they appear to just be employing the same techniques that chemical companies have used to try to suggest that pesticides, such as DDT, are safe and healthy. Omega-3 fatty acids are therefore best obtained from fish-free sources, such as microalgae-based DHA. Long-chain omega-3 fatty acids are no longer found in sufficient quantities in chickens due to genetic manipulation.

EPA
The USDA, FDA, and EPA’s mission of monitoring our food supply against the contamination of drugs and chemical residues has yet to be fully realized. The average can of tuna in the U.S. exceeds EPA standards and may damage the brain of infants, children, and adults (more than that in vaccinations, amalgam teeth fillings, high-fructose corn syrup and Ayervedic supplements). One in four women exceeds EPA mercury safety limits by eating as little as one meal of fish per week. Because regulations in the U.S. allow up to ten times as much mercury in fish as EPA limit allows, it is advisable for women who eat a lot of fish to get tested for mercury when considering pregnancy. Other contaminants in meat may also adversely affect fetal development. Fish (especially farmed) may also contain industrial pollutants such as dioxins and PCBs. One-third of more than sixty brands of soda tested for the carcinogen benzene exceeded safety limits. There is arsenic in American chicken products. Although banned decades ago, DDT is still found in products such as fish oil (even distilled is not pollutant free). Algae-based omega 3′s offer an organic, hygienic, and safer way to ensure DHA and EPA status without heavy metal or industrial toxin exposure.
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/EPA/

BMWJIM's picture

In one simple message!

Screw John Joseph. He can eat grass and I'll take a proportioned mixture of veggies and meat!.

Enough Said! I will kill it, skin it and smoke and eat it with a side of home grown veggies!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

nutritarian saying

eat the rainbow

on and on and...

Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.1-3 In the United States, researchers studied Seventh-day Adventists, a religious group that is remarkable because, although nearly all members avoid tobacco and alcohol and follow generally healthful lifestyles, about half of the Adventist population is vegetarian, while the other half consumes modest amounts of meat. This fact allowed scientists to separate the effects of eating meat from other factors. Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/fact...

WHO?

WHO?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Billions of plants are

Billions of plants are murdered and eaten every single day.

Stop the violence. Eat a steak.

Simple Facts and Plain Arguments
A common sense take on politics and current events.

www.simplefactsplainarguments.com

And all the cows said,

And all the cows said, "Mooooo."

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

finally, someone

who is not entirely humorless!

no matter what our individual eating choices, a good sense of humor is healthy for all. thanks zooamerica.

someone named Ethan

posted this brilliant query at another site:

"Are all hospitals full of sick meat-eaters, or sick vegans?"

I don't know. If you catch

I don't know. If you catch pneumonia, ebola etc, or get appendicitis* or tonsillitis* or get shot, hit by a truck or fall off your roof, or something else that lands you in the hospital, does it really matter what your diet is?

*(actually, many naturopathic doctors believe that appendicitis and tonsillitis are caused by gluten intolerance and/or intolerances to other anti-nutrients in foods)

Since cleaning up my diet, including eliminating grains and legumes, I have not been sick at all, even with a simple cold. I haven't seen a doctor in years. Back when, I used to get sinus and ear infections all the time.

Eating meat. Hahahaha

Here's some logic. Our teeth and digestive systems aren't built for raw meat. We have to doctor it up with heat. Who eats a meat eating animal? That's third tier nutrition. The animals that humans consume eat plants.
So if you eat meat you're getting your nutrition second hand. U also get all the death energy involved. Why not just get first hand nutrition straight from the source. Still full of LIFE. Skip the middle man. EAT PLANTS. If meat was correct for humans to eat, We should be able to just eat it raw. Also, leave some meat out of the fridge for a while and notice. IT BEGINS TO ROT FAIRLY QUICKLY. Oh how the tongue enjoys the flavor. Oh how the tummy abhors the processing.

AUM

We can and do eat meat raw

Ever heard of steak tartare? Sushi? Sashimi? Gravlax? Ceviche? Carpaccio? Kitfo?

Before man mastered fire, all meat and fish was eaten raw.

meat eaters, arm yourself with antibiotics

After the study results,
'Lora Hooper, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, who follows the Paleo diet, heavy on meat, exclaimed, “Yikes!”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/study-points-to-new...

No.

There are no plant sources of B12.

The liver can make cholesterol, several cholesterol deficiency diseases are well documented.

Eat an egg and the body will use or excrete the excess cholesterol.

Free includes debt-free!

Google moringa

I think it contains it

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I looked, but couldn't find it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa

In the mean time I just ate 4 more eggs for bedtime snack.

Moringa looks like an interesting plant.

Free includes debt-free!

Been eating raw eggs.....

for almost 40 years. One of the most perfect foods.

**NO MORE WAR!