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And there goes the tomb of the Prophet Jonah.

Destroyed as "idolatry" by those currently running Mosul.
These people are seriously messed up.

Here is the video of the tomb being blown up today:


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Thanks to Israeli Mossad

Very, very

sad. I am really worried about the state of the world. It seems to be going crazy in the same way it did around the start of World War I.

An eye for an eye

Leaves the whole world blind.

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Sign Of Jonah's Tomb Destroyed "Bible Prophecy"

Is this the moment ISIS destroyed Jonah's Tomb in Mosul? Video posted online appears to show jihadists blowing up site holy to Christians and Muslims

ISIS militants filmed the massive explosion in Mosul, north western Iraq
Donning balaclavas and black clothing, they swung weapons into tombs
One grave belonged to Prophet Jonah, revered by Muslims and Christians
Rebels believe special veneration of tombs is against teachings of Islam
Comes as more than 50 bodies have been found in city south of Baghdad
Most of the bodies were blindfolded with gunshot wounds, said authorities
Investigation is underway to establish the circumstances of the killings



ISIS group blew 2 shrines : the tomb of Yunus(Jonah) and the tomb of Shîth(Seth) moreover they also blew up the 900years old minaret "Minarat al-Hadba" and a 1600 years old church in Mossul


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Ignorant people blame

Ignorant people blame inanimate objects for problems. The building was just a building but those who decided to destroy a perfectly good building because of some "spiritual" influence to it just show the world what a bunch of fools they are...

Beware the cult of "government"...

Thank god no one was in the tomb.

No one got killed. and it just looks like some dust. One could say it was anything.

When did common sense become a super power?

Religion, what a fantastic source of peace


And people ask atheists "Where do you get your moral compass?"

I don't see any atheists pulling this kinda nonsense.


are just as bad. I find it so funny how Special you Atheists think you are.

Religions and ideologies are

Religions and ideologies are all gangs, and that includes atheists. Atheism is not the solution to religious fanaticism. Communism showed that.

I like to go by this

"Religion has nothing to do with the existence of God, ditch the corrupt man made organization and get personal with Jesus."

Believe or not.. this works for me.



Never said I was atheist

But I am.

And I doubt "I have anything special about me." Other than perhaps a strong sense of observation.

Let's look at some statistics though.




Don't know if that makes a group of people "special." But there sure are some easily observed trends in that data.

I've met many ignorant Atheists

I also met many ignorant Christians and other types of Religion.

My only problem is some Atheists go out there way to downgrade people who have faith. Who cares if we do? Why does it bother them so much? I actually helped a person recently who didn't have faith. You know... some times finding Faith can really help people out. Even if God is real or not.

Also, how can you believe in a random poll? It is impossible for them to figure that out.

Are you talking about atheism

Are you talking about atheism (claiming to know nothing else exists) or being agnostic (not claiming to know either way)? Because atheism is actually a religion (whether you like it or not), and has killed more people than all other religions combined. People who claim to not know either way are not atheists, and have never banded together in agnostic-based religious groups to kill others.

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Agnosticism as you refer does not exist.

To the THEIST QUESTION one either AGREES (says yes there is creator) or says something OTHER THAN YES (maybe, no, or idk if there is a creator.)

So the "agnostic" that you have described does not exist.

1. Ask a Christian the theist proposition, and the Christian may say "Well I don't know for sure, but I have faith in the lord almighty..."

In which case THE CHRISTIAN in 1 is actually "an agnostic" as you describe.

Few people understand what agnosticism means. Even the pope is "agnostic" because he would NOT BE ARROGANT ENOUGH to say "I am omniscient and have divine knowledge of my future. I cannot be wrong." He would be HUMBLE (as prescribed even by Christianity) and say "I the humble man cannot know in the way god does, I have only hope and faith, not certain knowledge. I will NOT KNOW UNTIL MY DEATH."

So PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY is an agnostic, and this "agnosticism" does not inform any of our positions or lend information to the theist proposition of a creator, soul, and afterlife.

Uh, if a person says they

Uh, if a person says they have faith that there is a god, then they are saying that they know there is a god. If a person says that they know there is no god, then they are having faith in that position. If a person has no idea one way or the other, they are not putting faith, or knowing, in any position. So no, you're wrong.

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Faith = Knowledge? - You be the judge

Faith = Knowledge? - JUDGE FOR YOURSELF.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure you haven't thought this through for very long or very hard. But you can have it your way.

Few people would agree with you. Especially philosophers, apologists, intellectuals, and even most laymen.

If "faith = knowledge," THEN WHY DO WE DISTINGUISH between the two in speech and other communication???

Instead of theists saying: "You must have faith."
Theists could just say: "You must have knowledge."

You can see that they are not even close to the same thing, in fact they are polar opposites. Though this is a deep topic in philosophy and epistemology.

But let me just post a few of the top definitions of both words.

Faith: Belief that is not based on proof; confidence; a belief in a deity; strong belief or trust in someone or something; belief in the existence of God; strong religious feelings or beliefs; a system of religious beliefs.

Knowledge: The fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association; acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique; the fact or condition of being aware of something; the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning.


These are straight from Miriam-Webster.

Perhaps you noticed:

Faith = belief = trust = confidence. For most purposes.

Knowledge = fact. For most purposes.


And notice that even the DICTIONARY disagrees with you, and even the dictionary considers "faith" to be equated with religion and deities; nothing to do with knowledge or facts; nothing to do with real things. Nothing to do with experience, observation, or empiricism.

So I would call your assertion that "faith = knowledge" either dishonest, or foolish and hasty.

Either way, I try not to be dishonest or hasty.

Some people claim that

Some people claim that science is the way to gain knowledge, but anyone with critical thinking skills still realizes that it's mere faith. You have faith that what you're observing, with your imperfect senses, in an imperfect world, is an absolute truth.

Your definitions are not straight from Miriam-Webster. They're your own synonyms.

My assertions are not dishonest, foolish, nor hasty.

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You can go to Miriam-Webster's site. I appreciate your honesty and integrity.

This is not rocket-science, nor deep philosophy. This is simple stuff.

I'm not sure you've given this much thought.

I'm not sure that YOU've

I'm not sure that YOU've given this much thought. If you ask anyone that has faith in something existing, they say they KNOW that it exists. This is not rocket science, it's common sense. Stop trying to base reality on damn books and get out into the real world a little bit.

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Yeah man...

"I know you are but what am I... Stop trying to use so many words and making so much sense man. I refuse to even acknowledge books man. Words are meaningless man."

You look like a person putting his fingers in his ears saying "I can't hear you, I can't hear you..."

As soon as you say something that is honest and that makes sense, then you can come sit at the big boy table okay?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Apparently Enjoying the Deep End is not a trendy,

whatever the heck that is. Still not joining your forum.

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I like your beliefs.

Good stuff.

When did common sense become a super power?

How about most Communist dictators?

They claim to be atheists.

Obama is an

Atheist and don't tell me he is not because that is a load of BS.

Such as?

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Jong Il?

Some are questionable, Hitler definitely questionable as atheist. Hitler definitely USED RELIGION to rally the people and commit genocide. You can easily find Hitler religious quotes:


As far as the others, I cannot say if any of their philosophy was DRIVEN by their atheist position. Perhaps some wanted to ELIMINATE RELIGION, in which case that would be a case of atheism DRIVING the policies and violence.

But I cannot pin that down.

But if you know of some, I want to know as well!

Religion in Nazi

That is interesting.

I had never heard of these. The First article especially about "Positive Christianity." And this sect still remains to this day.

From the 2nd article, about "The German Faith Movement:

The movement had around 200,000 followers at its height (less than 0.3% of the population).

And here is a good article about the population of Nazi Germany and religious statistics of that time:


Religion is not necessarily

Religion is not necessarily theological in nature. Just because a dictator uses religion against people doesn't mean that they themselves aren't atheist or agnostic.

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