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Mark of the Beast, According to Garp

After commenting on the topic "Mark of the Beast" - From the Book of Revelation, I was asked to entertain the OP with my thoughts, even if it was "just for funsies". http://www.dailypaul.com/323211/the-mark-of-the-beast-from-t... Rather than clutter up what they have going on, I decided to put my thoughts in a clear manner. These are, MY THOUGHTS and you have every right to not read them, so please choose wisely. There will be no replies to mudslingers or individuals who simply can't accept that I believe differently than themselves, or if it is obvious that you haven't read my whole novel on the subject.

So, how do I personally feel about the Mark of the Beast? Honestly I believe that it is very simple to understand. Let's break it down to the basics. When I "Mark" something, I am claiming it as my own, or in other words I OWN it. Pretty simple. While some people sit around looking for some wild beast to appear, these are people who haven't spent much time reading a Bible, or checking to see what the Bible says about "Beast". "Beast" refers to kingdoms and governments, both national governments and religious governments.

So basically we have a government, of some sort, marking God's creation as their own property. Do you know of any governments that would do such a thing? I sure do, and you do too. How many of us have a SSN? If you don't have a SSN can you leave the country, get a "normal" job (sell your labor), open a banking account, or function as a truly free person? I would think not. "But Dale, the Bible says it will say 666 you big doofus". In Biblical terms, with man being created on the sixth day, six has come to represent the "number of man". So we are "man", and the "Beast" has given us a number that represents us. Does this mean that the actual number "666" won't come into play later in life? No, it surely doesn't mean anything like that. It means that no matter how you look at it, we are boiling frogs. We are being "groomed" to accept the mark, little by little. With true Christ like faith going down, and government(beast)dependence at an all time high, you can see it in action everywhere you look.

How many of us were alive when the SSN became a supposed "necessity"? How many of us remember the outrage and the resistance that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents put up? They were met with promises that it would ONLY be used for Social Security purposes, and of course Social Security was part of the "New Deal", which led to people depending on government rather than themselves, God, and the good people around them. It was but the first step in leading us into the final "Mark".

As Wikipedia states.."Social Security cards printed from January 1946 until January 1972 expressly stated that people should not use the number and card for identification.[13] Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a SSN, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message was removed." So my Grandparents and Great Grandparents fought against this number, then finally accepted it and accepted the government benefits that came along with getting "Marked". The SSN's started in 1936 and were simply for SS business, or so was the story. It even told you on the card that you should not use the number for identification. But what happened some 36 years later? All of a sudden that part disappears, and now you must give out that number in order to do any sort of business, get cable, sell your labor (work), cash a check, travel, or even walk down the street. We all talk about "showing our papers", but what do these "papers" all have in common? We had this magical number that helped us get every single one of those "papers".

Not hard to follow. Still don't get it? How many of us know of another way the "Beast" is trying to not only maintain control, but also focus that control into an "Earthly" control rather than a "National" control? Ever hear of "Man Made Global Warming"? Sure you have! But did you hear about the coming "Ice Age" in the 1970's? Learn about it here, http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/the-1970s-ice-... ,or here http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-co... Not that big of a deal I suppose, but what if I told you that government scientist and various organizations were screaming "coming ice age" from 1895 to the late twenties? And then global warming again from the thirties through the sixties? Notice a "cycle" going on here? OK OK, so what am I getting at you ask politely. :)

SSN's were introduced to a citizenry who resisted being "marked" by their government (Beast), yet gave into it after promises of it being only for SS. 36 years later, the Beast removes the statement on the cards telling you NOT to use it as identification, and now we are forced to use it for just about anything we do. 99% of people probably don't even think about it any more. I NEVER give out my SSN and people look at me like I'm a lunatic. Went to the dermatologist the other day and the lady demanded my SSN. I said No thanks, I'm just there to get my skin looked at, not to get a social security check. She says, "but you want to use your insurance card", to which I reply, "Yes, and you have that card in your hand, so go ahead and swipe it or whatever it is you do." I went and sat down, and ten minutes later I had my appointment, paid my co pay, then went on about life. I ASSuME she was mesmerized that I was able to get looked at, they were able to bill me, and all this happened without me giving up some number.

NOW. Could you imagine a Dr. or nurse asking your Grandparents for their SSN just to be seen, back in say..1940? It wouldn't have happened, it was too soon for that, so the Beast waits. Ever wonder why the government (Beast) keeps things secret for a minimum of 50 years? If something terrible happened fifty years ago, where is the outrage now? Who can be held accountable now? Can't the Beast just apologize and say "Well we screwed up and we'll never do that again, please forgive us"? Examples you ask..you got it! 1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins, 1935 The Pellagra Incident, 1945 Project Paperclip is initiated, 1945 "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (BTW, this is where your fluoride came from, thank the German scientist brought over by Operation Paperclip), and let's not forget the Guatemalan people who were inflicted with diseases while believing they were being helped. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/guatemala-experimen... Of course Obama called and apologized for something that happened before he was born, so who is going to be held responsible? Who is going to learn from something that happened before most of us were born? The Beast simply waits. The Beast won't die, its citizens will die, but not before breeding new slaves that are even more ignorant to our true history than the ones that came before them.

Some, who don't understand the differences between Christianity as a lifelong faith (attempting to live a Christ like life), and Christianity as a "Religion", will surely ask why aren't churches standing up on these principles and pointing them out to the masses? The Bible tells you that if you worship money then you can not worship God. If you love one, then you must despise the other, so they mix like oil and water. I will never preach against a congregation, but I will tell you that it breaks my heart to see the deceived fall into the materialistic and worldly ways that churches and religion have come to accept and sometimes condone. Churches won't speak out because their governing body (beast system) would rather lead their flock astray than give up their tax exempt status. It would mean that the churches would have less money to operate on. But I ask you this..if the churches aren't directly facing off with the most important issues of their times, then why would they even need a budget? It doesn't take much money to hold services and preach the word, yet there can never be enough money for the modern Beast friendly church.

Speaking of "church systems", how many times have we had the arguments about "Christianity" killing millions of people simply because they don't believe as they do? My argument is that "Christians" didn't do that, the Roman Catholic Church did that, at the demands of the Pope, who claims to be God on earth. Nowhere in my Bible does Christ say to kill those who preach without a license, or kill people who dare read the Bible for themselves, or simply don't believe in God or His gift of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In fact Christ says, and I'm paraphrasing.."if you go into a town and preach the gospel, and they do not accept your message, then simply kick off the dust from your sandals, and move on". That doesn't sound like kill those who don't believe as we do. I believe that not only are most modern protestant churches now deceived, but I say without apologies that the Roman Catholic Church system, NOT ITS FOLLOWERS, are the true spirit of the Anti Christ. The Bible says you shall know them by their fruits. A good tree will not grow rotten fruit, and a rotten tree will not bear good fruit. It is really that simple. I call the death of millions, for simply reading on their own, or preaching without a license, or daring follow a different church, rotten fruit.

WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DID YOU GO THERE DALE????

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

The Mark of the Beast, that's why. Did you know that every nation with a central bank, much like our non federal non reserve, has some sort of national identification number (Mark) for its citizens? Have you noticed that each nation we invade..I mean "assist" in bringing "democracy"..didn't have central banks, yet it's the first thing that is done? Why do you think Iran is always in the war drum songs? They are debt free, and are not under the control of international bankers. I'm guessing that you might have heard of this supposed "New World Order"..and I ASSuME that you understand that this will be a one world government that is basically run by bankers, or money changers as Christ would call them. In fact Christ threw them out of the Temple for their dirty ways of getting rich, while sitting at a table and charging people to "change their money" to the correct coinage for giving to the temple and its "works".

OK OK so what does this NWO, banks, and what not have to do with the Pope, or the Beastly RCC? Well guess who is pushing the Man Made global warming agenda http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/pope-francis-links-climate-cha..., and a one world currency issued by a single governing body. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/10/24/vaticans_...

So...what now? We were given a number, which represents man, and it has slowly become a huge part of our lives. The more you are dependent upon the government beast, the more dependent you are upon the mark you have been given. We know that there is but one Beast in the end, so this power needs to be centralized, and it needs to cover the entire planet eventually. We know that this power will be the antithesis of God, and His will for us. The love of money and materialistic things are exactly that. Who is in control of the money? Governments? NOPE. Central banks...and how do you centralize the powers of the nations? You have one governing bank for the whole planet, rather than each country having their own. We all know this NWO thing is about a world government, the only thing we disagree on, is whether the Bible warns us about what is happening, and I believe it does. Some people call Revelations very "vague", and I say it isn't vague unless you are simply guessing at all the things that could possibly happen, instead of staying silent, staying still, and being watchful of the world around you. The only difference between an atheist on the DP, and myself? We are both fighting the same battle, we share the same enemy, and despise the same tyranny they will bring, only mine is a spiritual battle above and beyond the physical battle. I have a good idea just how it turns out, but there is nothing left to do but fight, and hopefully educate people along the way. I am not your enemy because of the faith I have, and I am no less competent to what is happening in this world because of my faith. I would actually say that the opposite is much more likely, and if it wasn't for my faith and Bible study, I probably wouldn't be here, much less "awake".

So I believe that the world will unite behind a world government, led by banks, in order to "save the economy, environment, and help the poor", exactly as Pope Francis has called for. This governing body of bankers will be your ultimate BEAST, you are already numbered with the number of a man, as in yourself and your SSN, and you are already being slowly immersed into the ways of the BEAST. No banking, no selling of your labor, no travel, but yet the Bible says you will not be able to buy without the mark. Surely it must be more than a social security card, and the Bible tells you in the forehead or on the hand, right? Have you seen the Philadelphia Federal Reserves, "Money in Motion" display? Take a look at it here, and please click on number 16, "Payments 2200", please be sure to look at the clothing, and notice nothing about chips mentioned on the website. http://www.philadelphiafed.org/education/money-in-motion/vir... OK, Good. Now here is a Youtube video that deals with that exact exhibit, that's why you were to notice the clothing. Please watch about the first three minutes of this video. It will show you the exhibit, and how microchips are mandatory for making purchases, and it also has a bonus surprise..well not a surprise because I'm going to tell you about it real quick. During Roberts confirmation hearing for supreme court justice, one SENATOR Biden tells him that he personally guarantees him that he will have to decide whether a company can demand their employees be chipped so that the company knows their whereabouts at all times. Say it isn't so...Joe. Please, just give it three minutes. There was a shorter version but I couldn't find it.

So there you have it, my beliefs when it comes to Revelations, and why we are all here trying to fight the good fight. I can't say that I don't "Care" about your spiritual life, because I would be lying if I didn't admit that I wish everyone believed that God sent His only begotten Son, to die on a cross for our sins, and that having this true belief would lead you to good works in the name of Christ, and that even without those works the grace of God would give you everlasting life through the blood of Christ. That is how I truly feel about each and every one of you. However, I understand that we are all different people and we believe very differently and I respect that. As I have said before, we all have a common enemy whether we are religious, faithful, or none of the above, and we should band together to fight against the coming "New World Order" and the tyranny that it will bring. Whether this is a physical world battle, a spiritual battle, or any combination of the two, we are all on the same team. We should respect each other and our beliefs. I have no problem with people of other cultures or beliefs, but I do have a problem with people who are disrespectful, spiteful, and just plain nasty and condescending. I hope this clears up where I stand. May God be with us all.

Dale



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I agree!

I agree to most of what your write. Only small differences compared to my view. I've always looked at DNA as the number of man and that it will in some way be connected to the chip(or whatever it will be) to identify you in the global control system.

Slowly we get used to the idea of it all in various ways. I say it's time to take a stand now. Drop the mobile, use cash, grow food, try to avoid purchases in everyway you can. If you can't say NO now without losing everything...imagine how hard it will be to say NO when you lose everything...

When I came home the other day,

I found the Mark of the Beast on the living room floor. My dog had a guilty look on her face.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

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NOW,that's funny

Is that your final answer?
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You're centuries off

"This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666."

Why would John write that in his LETTER to the seven churches in Asia Minor at that time if the beast wasn't to live for another 2,000-plus years? How could anyone then have such "wisdom" (foreknowledge).

Answer = John wouldn't and people can't. Only God has foreknowledge.

Sorry but the Beast was clearly Nero, and it wasn't a prophecy about the end of the world; it was a prophecy about the end of the Age and the destruction of apostate Israel.

Have there been and can there still be more beasts in the biblical sense? Of course, as we've seen. But that specific prophecy was clearly about the beast who was living at the time John wrote that letter.

Heard that one before..

still not believing it. At the time of Nero, we had yet to have the great advance of knowledge, nor had people begun to travel "to and fro", as the people now have. This is part of the "end time" prophecy from Daniel. Of course I haven't seen two messengers die and then return to life either, so the waiting and preparation continues in my household.

I'm not here to argue, just sharing my thoughts. We all have our own opinions on the matter.

Yes, they did.

Not knowing the Old Testament apocalyptic language for prophecies that were fulfilled (Egypt, Edom, Babylon) and not knowing history is why so many people fall for the sensationalist books.

Read the OT prophecies concerning the fall of Egypt, Edom, and Babylon; then read Revelation; then read Josephus' "War of the Jews," about the fall of Jerusalem. If you do that, and pray, I am certain you'll see that it all fits. I was amazed when I did that -- I finally understood Revelation.

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The beast

was in this planet before jesus was born,that beast was in the garden of eden
And that beast was one of them that thrown down from heaven by the creator
that beast was the one who tempted jesus with owning all that he could see and own
So no,it was not nero,he was speaking of which was already here, of which was was and whom, runs this planet until the return of of the jesus
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Sorry but you're wrong again

I think you should read Revelation before you make comments. You're confusing the beast with the dragon.

The beast of Revelation was killed, along with the false prophet (the pharisees). The dragon, the "ancient serpent," the devil (Rev. 20), was bound for a thousand years so he cannot deceive the world (meaning he cannot stop the Gospel from spreading).

In other words, we're in the millennium and Christ reigns now. The beast of Revelation, Nero, the great persecutor of the Apostles, has been dead for centuries. The dragon is the devil, who is very much alive but, as I said, not able to stop the Gospel.

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Wrong, again?

How could I be wrong again,only posting 1 comment?
Them pharisees never dies,they live amongst us,they run churches in Christs name and they teach falsities and distort the truth.
Yes Nero died,he was but a man,all men die once
How can Christ reign,if this world is still in turmoil,with wars,rumors of wars and everything that was right side up be upside down? Where right is wrong,black is white?
How can he be in charge if he hasn't even returned yet? Part of the scripture talks about his return,and all shall see him,that hasn't happened
nor have there been dead men in the streets for 3 days before returning to life?
If Christ was the king of this world,and him running it,wouldn't the prophesy concerning the 12000 from the 12 tribes be finished,or brought to light?
Wouldn't the law of the land actually be used,instead of being trampled upon?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You've heard of the "already, not yet"?

Scripture tells us that Christ reigns now (Acts 2:32-33, Matthew 3:27). That's the "already." The "not yet" will happen when sin is destroyed and Satan is thrown into hell.

The 12 tribes? Where are they now? Where were they when Revelation was written?

It's figurative language, taken from the Old Testament. To understand Revelation at all, it must be read it in light of the Old Testament apocalyptic descriptions of prophecies that were fulfilled, such as Egypt's fall, Ezekiel 32:7-8:

"And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord God."

We know that did not happen literally. That's judgment language and we know the prophecy was fulfilled. The same type of language is in Revelation.

Who is "wrong"?

Please give your credentials and how you came upon this concrete conclusion, since you are obviously the expert and all knowing one. "I think you should read Revelation before you make comments." Being THE self proclaimed "expert" must have also turned you into a jerk in the process. You should take your own advice, and read it and all supporting scripture, before you claim to KNOW the whole story, and proclaim everyone else ignorant for not agreeing with your thoughts on the subject.

It doesn't take credentials to read Scripture...

...and comprehend what it says. All it takes is faith, prayer for understanding, and the ability to read.

Name calling doesn't make your case that the beast of Revelation is Satan. Read Revelation 19-20 and see for yourself, then.

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Dale

You are a good man,and I thank you for that.Keep up the good work.
Wasn't sure where to put this comment,and a post didn't seem appropriate
Was something on my mind and heart to say
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Rest In Peace

Robin Williams, you meant a lot to us.

Not trying to revive an old thread, just thought it was the right thing to do when I "used" the title of the first Robin Williams movie I had ever seen, and I believe his first movie.

the mark of the beast is on the forehead or the hand

it is a choice, not a chip. It is what is important to you in your mind and what work you do with your hands, if the work is of good or of evil. A chip can be placed in anyone, a social security number is not a choice for a newborn, it is a misplaced choice of a parent. The mark of the beast is a choice and we are all choosing it now or refuting it, and that is the current reality. God is not force, He is love. You have a choice to accept the chip or to refuse it, and your current lifestyle is that choice, period.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

You have your opinion

and I have mine. Very simple. When you come up with Biblical scripture that says there is no physical mark, but instead it is a "choice", then let me know because I'd be more than glad to read about it. You obviously didn't read my post before posting or you would have known that I never once called the SSN the mark of the beast.

sorry dale

was not meaning to come across so rash now that I look back at my comment.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Thuroughly enjoyed

Thuroughly enjoyed

Thank you.

Sorry it was such a long post. There is another topic that is discussing the mark, and I was asked for my thoughts. It's kind of hard to address such a question in a paragraph or two. Kind of like when ole Dr. Ron Paul would be in a debate, and get a whopping 30 seconds to answer a question that actually needs to be explained and clarified to be properly understood.

We are still able to

buy and sell things for cash, relatively anonymously. I believe this bothers the powers that be greatly, and we can see evidence all around us that they're working toward making us a cashless society.

Even if we all have just a debit card, fraud will still occur. People will figure out ways to buy and sell things the government won't like.

So, I think at some point they'll want us to have an RFID chip implanted, and that is the mark of the beast.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

I agree

... with this post. Outstanding job

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

That Phili Fed website you listed

That Phili Fed website you listed is pretty creepy. It is quite gross how they attempt to paint The Fed as some altruistic organization here to 'help'.

While I do not ascribe to the Biblical representation of the 'Mark of the Beast', I find your interpretation compelling in a practical sense.

Whether any 'legal' ownership can be proven is one thing, but the Central Planners most certainly 'own' us in the practical sense. It made me pose the question to myself, how do I (we) free ourselves from an 'owner'? What steps must I (we) take to begin the process, sustain the freedom, and prevent it from occurring again?

It is creepy isn't it

Think about us as cattle..If I have a bunch of cattle then I can mark them with a brand, but does make me a true owner? Luckily as humans we are free in our minds and nobody can control what we think, although they try through media, television, and such. Cattle are simply free to roam about the owners pasture, and if it tries to be free, someone sees its mark and calls the owner to come get it. We aren't to that point yet, but it will become that way some day, though more than likely it will be in a financial sense. These people who make up the Beast worship money, and money alone. That is why we use paper monopoly money, and they have all the gold and silver.

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opting out of SS system may be difficult but possible

From money.stackexchange.com:

"To give up your Social Security number, you would probably have to renounce your citizenship, since merely leaving the United States, becoming a permanent expatriate, etc. wouldn't be enough.

Paying Social Security taxes is mandatory, however. Even if your income exceeds the means testing limits, you are still required to pay Social security (FICA) taxes on the income that falls beneath it.

That being said, there are several groups that are exempt from paying Social Security taxes, based on what I can scrounge up through online searching."

"...Ministers, members of certain religious orders, and Christian Science practitioners may file IRS Form 4361 to exempt themselves from self-employment taxes, including FICA taxes. The picture is more complicated than this, however (see below).
All members of certain religious groups, like the Amish, Mennonites, etc. 2
Election workers earning $1,000 or less a year.
Minor children with earnings from household work but for whom household work is not their principal occupation."

I'm just skimming though I haven't done a thorough search on the issue.

If you do come across some good information

please post it. Thank you!

the mark cannot be physical

or else they could not us all out and we would be condemned. The mark is what you think in your mind and what work you do with your hands, in my opinion.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Knock*

not not us all out.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

There are more sure signs, that's just one.

The other sure sign is you need it to "buy or sell".

It's on hand and in your mind and without it you cannot "buy or sell". Further, it is the number of your name.

Those are the sure signs from the words of Revelation.

The one thing we cannot dispute is what Revelation actually SAYS. That's what it says.