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Bush Sr. and Reagan Debate Illegal Immigration in 1980: Bush pushes for amnesty, while Reagan talks of open borders with Mexico

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That title is a bit misleading

When you said, "Reagan talks of open borders" you are referring the the very last part of this video and he is cut off (by someone's editing) from finishing his sentence... Not a great way to frame a discussion.

He says, "And open the borders both ways (pause not period) by understanding their problems this is.."

Reagan also states earlier, "make it possible for them to come here legally, WITH A WORK PERMIT, and then while they are earning here, THEY PAY TAXES HERE.."

That is a far cry from open borders. As much as I like historical political clips (and I do) this one's title could use modification.

Having said all that, I find it interesting how many of George Bush Sr.'s mannerisms were inherited by George Bush Jr. (the head bob for example).

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but the

ron paul on illegal immigration

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:

Abolish the welfare state. The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.
Establish a generous visitor work program. Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.
Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards. Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.
Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. [Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents' home countries.]
End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJFcSF80dE

Illegal immigration is a question of demand...

Want to put an end to illegal immigration? Then, turn the US into shithole that no one wants to come to - destroy the economy through socialism, continue developing the police state, etc.

However, (differential) economic prosperity will always result in the flow pointed this way.

Actually, this is mostly true

but if we didn't give them handouts, the flow would not be as strong.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

We're Well on our Way to that.

The NWO wants to bring US and Canada down economically to better match the Mexican poverty.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Logical solution.

Allow those who want to work to enter into the country, allow those who don't want to work, to leave.


That is going to piss on the wheaties of some flag waving, brown people hatin, kick all dem illegals out, build a Great Southern Wall Reagan conservatives. I wonder if we can expect Reagan conservative Rand Paul to adopt Reagan's open border rhetoric allowing people to cross both ways.

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Bush sounds like a libertarian

"We've made some kinds of labor illegal that I'd like to see legal." He speaks with a lot of passion. I can see why people liked him.

"We're exacerbating relations with Mexico." Does the US care about Mexico today?

I do believe he cares, when he talks about those little Mexican kids who are being brought up as criminals. He knows. Mexicans are people. He knows because they're in his family.

Reagan, on the other hand, is making a fundamental neo-con argument. Things could boil over with them and Cuba, and they might attack!

Fundamentally, they both want the cheap labor - that's what I take from this. And if they couldn't get their way with congress, they got their way de facto. The Feds looked the other way on illegal immigration, because it was part of the corporate agenda. That is what is behind this whole mess: Corporatism.

And yes, this does look like a debate from the Stone Age.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Talk is cheap

NAFTA has been destroying Mexican agriculture since 1994 when heavily subsidized corn produced in the USA began flooding Mexico's markets. NAFTA is another product of Bush's administration and one of the biggest enablers of illegal immigration after about 3,000,000 Mexican agricultural workers lost their jobs in the 90's.

Reagan sounds like Ron Paul

Reagan sounds like Ron Paul there.

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

It is amazing how "primitive" that debate looks now

No flashy stage or graphics. Much more time to talk than nowadays.

What hasn't changed is this problem. It has been around a long, long time.

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No Flash.

Lots of Substance.

Kind of refreshing.