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VINDICATED! Truth Prevails! Jesse Ventura wins Defamation Suit vs Late SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle - July 29, 2014

Jesse Ventura Wins $1.8M in Defamation Lawsuit

Updated: 07/29/2014 1:39 PM
Created: 07/29/2014 5:48 AM KSTP.com
By: Megan Matthews

Jesse Ventura has won the defamation case against "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle.

The jury reached a verdict just after 1 p.m. Tuesday. The jury awarded Ventura $500,000 for defamation and $1.3 million for unjust enrichment. That brings the total to $1.8 million.

It was not a unanimous decision. On Tuesday, attorneys for both sides agreed that the verdict did not need to be unanimous and would allow a verdict if only eight of 10 jurors agreed.

Jesse Ventura wins $1.8M in defamation case
By Marino Eccher
meccher@pioneerpress.com
Posted: 07/29/2014 12:01:00 AM CDT
Updated: 07/29/2014 01:32:59 PM CDT

Jesse Ventura won more than $1.8 million in his defamation case against Former Navy SEAL-turned-author Chris Kyle.

A federal court jury decided Tuesday that Kyle defamed the former Minnesota governor in his bestselling 2012 autobiography "American Sniper," a jury decided Tuesday.

The 10-member panel decided the case just about a week after it got the case in federal court in St. Paul. The jury decided by an 8-2 split, an arrangement both sides agreed to.

Jury Awards Ventura $1.8M in Defamation Case
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Jul 29, 2014, 2:33 PM ET
By STEVE KARNOWSKI Associated Press
Associated Press

A jury awarded former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura $1.8 million on Tuesday in his lawsuit against the estate of "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle.

On the sixth day of deliberations, the federal jury decided that the 2012 best-selling book defamed Ventura in its description of a bar fight in California in 2006. Kyle wrote that he decked a man whom he later identified as Ventura after the man allegedly said the Navy SEALs "deserve to lose a few."

Ventura testified that Kyle fabricated the passage about punching him. Kyle said in testimony videotaped before his death last year that his story was accurate.

Ventura wins $1.8 million in defamation suit
In a split decision, jury votes 8-2 to award damages for defamation, “unjust enrichment.”

Article by: RANDY FURST , and James Walsh Star Tribune staff writers
Updated: July 29, 2014 - 1:38 PM

Former Gov. Jesse Ventura won his defamation case against the author of “American Sniper.”

The jury awarded a total of $1.845 million: $500,000 in defamation damages and $1.345 million for “unjust enrichment.”

Jurors could not reach a unanimous verdict, as instructed. Instead, with the consent of both sides, they voted 8 to 2 in Ventura’s favor.

Ventura was not in the courtroom when the verdict was read.

Federal rules require a unanimous verdict, but allow for a split verdict if both sides agree.

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UPDATE 1: News caught up. Newer articles posted at top of the thread

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Just heard it over the wire. For now, all the current news is just saying that the jury which was deadlocked were asked by the Fed. judge to try again; will update as more details emerge:

Jury in Jesse Ventura case to return Tuesday
AP 8:10 p.m. EDT July 28, 2014

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Jurors in former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura's defamation lawsuit against American Sniper author Chris Kyle went home for the day Monday after hours of deliberations during which they told the judge at one point they didn't think they could reach a unanimous verdict.

U.S. District Judge Richard Kyle told them to keep trying, and they continued their fifth day of discussions for roughly four more hours before breaking. Late in the afternoon, attorneys for both sides conferred privately with the judge. They would not say afterward what they discussed but said that the jury would be back at 9 a.m. Tuesday.

Deliberations began last Tuesday. Around noon Monday, they sent the judge a note saying: "We the jury have not reached a unanimous decision. ... We feel we will not come to a unanimous decision."

Judge Kyle asked the jury "to go back one more time and have some further discussions," but he told them not to lower their standards to reach a decision. He also praised them as one of the most conscientious juries he's had in 22 years on the bench but noted the case might have to be re-tried if they remain deadlocked.

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UPDATE 2: For those who may not be familiar with the case, following videos may clarify a bit.

As y'all know, Jesse lives much of the year down in Mexico, where he lives completely off the grid, with rare phonecall usage. Over time, especially with Alex basically introducing him to the entire 9/11 false flag reality, while Jesse started out a true skeptic, became convinced and has since become one of the most visible, vocal proponents for 9/11 truth & justice. Though they diverge on the Dr. Judy Wood's direct energy claims (Jesse believes her, Alex doesn't), and while Jesse Ventura is NOT a full-on principled purist on libertarian issues (then again, whoTF is??), he is nevertheless an O.G. 'real guy'/'a man's man,' one with a boisterous & rough exterior whom unbeknownst to most, is a very intelligent soul.

So, Alex was actually the person who notified Jesse (while he was in Mexico) of the PR-blitz propaganda that the entire Faux'News'/Glenn 'Crybaby' Beck were peddling by promoting Chris Kyle and his LIE about him punching Jesse out at a bar frequented by SEALS and how Ventura said that "they deserved to lose a few," as the next Pat Tillman (before his true bravery against the war became an inconvenient, bothersome counter-propaganda vs the warWhores):

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 1/3

http://youtu.be/vcN0XITFjmw
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

Former Governor: Incident "never happened...someone is out to destroy my credibility"

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 2/3

http://youtu.be/4GK-vcPJJPY
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 3/3

http://youtu.be/iCx2f7N5aGg
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

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Yet, surprisingly, and sadly, listen to how gentlemanly and cordial Chris Kyle was to Alex, when they were both invited on to discuss this very issue on Opie & Anthony show (and mind you, don't know his name, the bald midget sidekick on Opie & Anthony who's actually done a fair amount of his own research into JFK, absolutely does not like Jesse nor his 9/11 Truth advocacy, as seen in this three part exchange: 1, 2, 3):

Opie & Anthony: Chris Kyle confronts Alex Jones 01-10-2012

http://youtu.be/vhY5B3U6G5g
Manuel Arias
Uploaded on Jan 10, 2012

The boys get both Chris Kyle and Alex Jones on the phone to discuss the Jesse Ventura incident.

From the exchange, one gets the impression that indeed Kyle was being reluctant & somewhat sheepish (at least I did), and someone probably put him up to it; Kyle himself probably never thought that Jesse Ventura would follow through on his threat of a defamation lawsuit.

IMHO, Chris Kyle probably didn't think his little printed 'white lie' would turn into this big 'thing,' and was caught in a rock and a hard place. So facing the ye ol 'bit too much than ye can chew'-decision, unless Kyle apologized and/or retracted the claim, and were able to make the story go away quietly, his post-SEAL 'career' would now be permanently branded as a liar and a fraud.

An act of damned if you do, damned if you don't self-dug hole, he made the stupid decision to stick to his initial lie. But clearly, the decision nevertheless does NOT seem to have been necessarily made, out of vindictiveness, or conscious mendacity, per-se. Though, for a 3rd party observing not keen on reading into someone's probable decision-mental processes, and from Jesse's POV, it nevertheless is conscious mendacity.

Still, to me, Kyle sounded like someone who could've been turned around, and truly followed a path somewhere near Pat Tillman, if not, at least close to evolving his views toward somewhere near another NWO-awake SEAL: Ben Smith.

Sadly, Kyle was murdered, before any of that transformation, or repentance, or internal philosophical catharsis could take place.

Now one may dismissively say "Karma's a bitch," for his participation in a bankster's immoral unjust illegal war-profiteering lethal enterprise of choice.

Perhaps.

But nevertheless, just think how many vets throughout history, have awoken, and awoken other fellow vets because they saw evil, and often dealt/participated in meting out evil and deaths, to know from first hand experience just whom these Ruling Class lunatics are, and just what depraved path these lunatics take innocent well-intentioned, often gullible minds into killers on behalf of the fascist corporatist State.

I personally believe in sincere repentance and catharsis, a second or even a third chance, if you will. Now, no such path awaits Kyle.

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"Just think of how many vets

throughout history, have awoken, and awoken other fellow vets because they saw evil, and often dealt/participated in meting out evil and deaths, to know from first hand experience just whom these Ruling Class lunatics are, and just what depraved path these lunatics take innocent well-intentioned, often gullible minds into killers on behalf of the fascist corporatist State."

I think Smedley Butler and Mark Rivero said it best: "War is a Racket," and "All wars are bankers' wars!"

Those 2 knew what "it" was all about. I'm just glad I never saw half of what those 2 saw when I was in Iraq.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Ideological Conundrum

I'm glad Jesse won the case considering the punch was most certainly a lie from the interviews I have watched of the both of them. However, I have lost a lot of respect for Jesse since he has been doing his "Off the Grid" show. Being as rich and as prevalent as he is, you know he has access to the things that we have access to and more. Yet, he still holds on to socialistic type ideas just like Russell Brand. I guess it's not the access to information that is important for waking up, it's the desire to do so that is important.

yup. the link for his interview on Adam Kokesh's show

in the thread, pretty much illustrates Ventura's less than principled understanding of voluntary human interaction:


http://youtu.be/0Wu5TrctGWo


http://youtu.be/UWp7LqRxmus

though, must say, Adam could learn to use a bit more courtesy, and tact to Sean Stone,


http://youtu.be/pAO_8xOcuE0

as he was really rudely condescending, in portions of a recent interview Kokesh did on Roddy Rowdy Piper's new podcast, WITH Sean Stone, while promoting his new book Freedom!

MP3: http://podcastone.com/downloadsecurity?url=aHR0cDovL3NlcnZlL...

...especially when Sean Stone was more than courteous with Adam, on his LIPtv show, despite differences of opinions:


http://youtu.be/4aD-OZn7N6I

I'd love to see even the most purest of minarchists at least be able to see and able to state unequivocally that philosophically, principally, govt is ALWAYS coercive.

Now, if they understand that, and yet emotionally feel like, nor can imagine what the world would be like without govt? well, suppose it'd be better than, outright saying it's unicorns and fairies...kinda like even the disastrously supposed constitutional republic that never existed as written out, at the time of the founding where monarchic tyrannies were the norm, too must have seemed like unicorn and fairies.

I do wonder sometimes how anyone even moderately intelligent can ever apriori rule possibilities out, when human history is one long series of people saying no, and a few come along to prove them otherwise.

Ah...only if lack of imagination permanently satiated a cageless cage...

That said, seeing as how all of us were born into a system not of our choosing, I'd love if, if minarchists and anarchists can go beyond the base discussions, and focus more on possible solutions, be it ultimate goal, or a plausible & probable steps to take, to systematically transition away from the current mode of humanity's biggest fraudulent, most destructive invention/entity: govt/corporatist-state/the Leviathan.

Because, in the end, if one has any conscience, and has capacity for clear intellectual discernment, the self-evident nature of all govt would reveal itself all too undeniable. And thus, any action to move away from it, or shun it altogether, post-haste, would be the moral, principled, ethical thing to do.

Personally speaking though, this is the reason why I'm more concerned with overall trajectories, especially in context of political discourse, rather than the micro, itty-bitty steps or statements, per-se; while obviously noticing and critiquing contradictions in their thought processes is a must, still I'd rather have more people, whom, at least are more concerned with 'if I do x, y, z, will this set me on a path towards MORE freedom, or less?' and apply the same, if they so choose to play politics, or even true minarchism: 'will the proposed policy x, y, z be set more toward individual liberty and no govt and/or corporatist intervention, or not?'

Could care less about Russell Brand, other than the fact that some may tune in, just 'cause some celeb finally said something out of the ordinary, so that elusive 1-10% (same ballpark in direct-mail marketing) who may accidentally stumble upon other ideas, despite being initially alerted to it by an individual or persons touting wholly disparate ideas.

true philosophical consistency...a messy affair, that it is.o/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I Agree 100%

I agree 100% with what you said. I watched the video of Adam Kokesh on the Roddy Rowdy Piper podcast not too long ago. Kokesh was so assertive and condescending. Those things aren't necessarily a bad thing depending on the situation, but it was in this situation where everyone was calm and open-minded except for Kokesh. He isn't usually like that which makes this video seem odd.

Libertarians must understand that if we are to change the mind of people whether it be a progressive or a neo-conservative, then we have to learn how to make people question themselves. You cannot truly get someone to be open to the truth unless they want to internally. Forcing facts and information at someone just turns them off from the situation. First, you pull the Socratic Method on them to get them to question themselves and what they believe. Then, when they are willing to listen, you can convey facts and information to them. VOLUNTARY PEOPLE, VOLUNTARY.

I also agree with the portion about minarchists and anarchists. You hear them debunking gov propaganda,false history, and the state all the time. But what you rarely hear are the steps to making what we all want a reality. There are a few people that do this, so please save the replies that starts naming names. I am just saying that, as a movement, we should push more of our end goals into the argument as well.

For the Russell Brand portion, I only added his name to the conversation due to there being a popular post about him at the time, and his views are closely related to Jesse Ventura's.

indeed

indeed .oD

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Good for Jessie!! You can't

Good for Jessie!! You can't profit from telling lies about others. chris kyle was a terrorist occupier who then profited off tales of killing people in far away lands. People who's only crime was defending themselves from illegal war and occupation. He lived by the gun so it was only fitting that he die by it.

Ahh, more good news

Good for Jessie, I also am glad that, in spite of the split decision, this didn't drag out further.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The msm including Fox news

were all over this saying Jessie should donate the money. How could Jessie take money from a dead hero's wife. They make Jessie sound like the bad guy.

They

Completely ate him alive. It was really sad. Totally didn't hear the whole story.

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UPDATE 2: For those who may not be familiar with the case, following videos may clarify a bit.

As y'all know, Jesse lives much of the year down in Mexico, where he lives completely off the grid, with rare phonecall usage. Over time, especially with Alex basically introducing him to the entire 9/11 false flag reality, while Jesse started out a true skeptic, became convinced and has since become one of the most visible, vocal proponents for 9/11 truth & justice. Though they diverge on the Dr. Judy Wood's direct energy claims (Jesse believes her, Alex doesn't), and while Jesse Ventura is NOT a full-on principled purist on libertarian issues (then again, whoTF is??), he is nevertheless an O.G. 'real guy'/'a man's man,' one with a boisterous & rough exterior whom unbeknownst to most, is a very intelligent soul.

So, Alex was actually the person who notified Jesse (while he was in Mexico) of the PR-blitz propaganda that the entire Faux'News'/Glenn 'Crybaby' Beck were peddling by promoting Chris Kyle and his LIE about him punching Jesse out at a bar frequented by SEALS and how Ventura said that "they deserved to lose a few," as the next Pat Tillman (before his true bravery against the war became an inconvenient, bothersome counter-propaganda vs the warWhores):

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 1/3

http://youtu.be/vcN0XITFjmw
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

Former Governor: Incident "never happened...someone is out to destroy my credibility"

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 2/3

http://youtu.be/4GK-vcPJJPY
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Demands Fox Retraction for Sniper's Lies 3/3

http://youtu.be/iCx2f7N5aGg
TheAlexJonesChannel
Uploaded on Jan 8, 2012

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Yet, surprisingly, and sadly, listen to how gentlemanly and cordial Chris Kyle was to Alex, when they were both invited on to discuss this very issue on Opie & Anthony show (and mind you, don't know his name, the bald midget sidekick on Opie & Anthony who's actually done a fair amount of his own research into JFK, absolutely does not like Jesse nor his 9/11 Truth advocacy, as seen in this three part exchange: 1, 2, 3):

Opie & Anthony: Chris Kyle confronts Alex Jones 01-10-2012

http://youtu.be/vhY5B3U6G5g
Manuel Arias
Uploaded on Jan 10, 2012

The boys get both Chris Kyle and Alex Jones on the phone to discuss the Jesse Ventura incident.

From the exchange, one gets the impression that indeed Kyle was being reluctant & somewhat sheepish (at least I did), and someone probably put him up to it; Kyle himself probably never thought that Jesse Ventura would follow through on his threat of a defamation lawsuit.

IMHO, Chris Kyle probably didn't think his little printed 'white lie' would turn into this big 'thing,' and was caught in a rock and a hard place. So facing the ye ol 'bit too much than ye can chew'-decision, unless Kyle apologized and/or retracted the claim, and were able to make the story go away quietly, his post-SEAL 'career' would now be permanently branded as a liar and a fraud.

An act of damned if you do, damned if you don't self-dug hole, he made the stupid decision to stick to his initial lie. But clearly, the decision nevertheless does NOT seem to have been necessarily made, out of vindictiveness, or conscious mendacity, per-se. Though, for a 3rd party observing not keen on reading into someone's probable decision-mental processes, and from Jesse's POV, it nevertheless is conscious mendacity.

Still, to me, Kyle sounded like someone who could've been turned around, and truly followed a path somewhere near Pat Tillman, if not, at least close to evolving his views toward somewhere near another NWO-awake SEAL: Ben Smith.

Sadly, Kyle was murdered, before any of that transformation, or repentance, or internal philosophical catharsis could take place.

Now one may dismissively say "Karma's a bitch," for his participation in a bankster's immoral unjust illegal war-profiteering lethal enterprise of choice.

Perhaps.

But nevertheless, just think how many vets throughout history, have awoken, and awoken other fellow vets because they saw evil, and often dealt/participated in meting out evil and deaths, to know from first hand experience just whom these Ruling Class lunatics are, and just what depraved path these lunatics take innocent well-intentioned, often gullible minds into killers on behalf of the fascist corporatist State.

I personally believe in sincere repentance and catharsis, a second or even a third chance, if you will. Now, no such path awaits Kyle.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Justice prevails, for a change.

That self-promoting mass killer Chris Kyle and his widow had every opportunity to simply remove the fraudulent story from the book and still made their fortune, but greed and stupidity are the way of so-called patriots lately. I can't say that I'm shedding any bitter tears over the grave of Kyle, the guy had no pity for anyone else.

I can't wait to hear Glenn Beck whine incessantly as the last nail into the coffin of his dead hero rings out tomorrow.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

OMG, that is so cool! Rock on Jesse!

Thanks for the news!

Since I'm here I might as well link one of my flavorite interwebs podcast interviews of all time. It just happens to be related to all this...
http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2013/02/06/2513-will-grigg/

quite

welcome ,o)

yup. am a big fan of Will Grigg!

the man speaks, as aggressively-eloquent, as he writes! brilliant, brilliant AnCap libertarian mind!

"There is NO DEADLIER Narcotic, than Power!" - Will Grigg

Ron Paul - Boise, Idaho 2-18-12 Part 1

http://youtu.be/vLejaoenTsc
LovinLivinIdaho's channel
Uploaded on Feb 18, 2012

Will Grigg introduces Ron Paul to roughly 3,000 people in Boise. This was his third visit this week to the Gem State, where people understand well his message of liberty and the proper role of government. 'Energized' is an understatement when describing the atmosphere in Boise. It's now or never... Ron Paul 2012 - or bust!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Never understood why this

Never understood why this hitman for the State has been idolized, while Jesse has been attacked.

Another Solid Victory.

Because one guy mythologizes

Because one guy mythologizes state-worship while jesse does the complete opposite.

Because its easy to indulge

Because its easy to indulge in blood lust and rage when its protected under the label of "patriotism"...

There are still a great number of people who obsess with hatred for people/places they know very little about.

welps...observing the national security state's modus operandi,

this is PURE SPECULATION on my part, but if I had to guess based on their past, I'd say, as a 'war hero' they built up Chris Kyle, and were probably grooming him to be a political actor, be it a local politician or all the way up to POTUS.

clearly, Ventura would NEVER EVER EVER badmouth 'one of his own' especially at a bar either owned by or frequented by a lot vets, BUDS, and/or SEALS, let alone EVER say something 100% uncharacteristic to a proud vet: "I'm glad they died."

so someone probably put Chris Kyle up to it, for his ghost-written 'autobiography.' and his poor wife, is now the recipient of this state psyop PR propaganda game bullshiit.

and, if one were to go full on false flag, Chris Kyle was murdered because Ventura wasn't gonna let up, and frankly Kyle (to the 'Powers That Be') 'outlived his usefulness' as a propaganda pawn for the Ruling Class.

Like I said, pure speculation on my part, but considering how these lunatics operate, I wouldn't rule out the most likely probable possibility that, that IS indeed WHY Chris Kyle's ghostwriter put that in the book, and Chris Kyle was later murdered, when it became clear that Ventura would move forth with the lawsuit: it's better to have him die a martyr who can't speak, than have his reputation ruined while alive, hurting their pro-war propaganda agenda.

Basically, Chris Kyle was probably "Pat Tillman"-ed, Redux.

Besides, there is no doubt that the entire thing was a lie, because he was worried enough to NOT put "Jesse Ventura" name in the book, instead kept it as "scruff face." And the fact that and 8-2 decision would only stand, if Chris Kyle's widow and the legal team would accept: which clearly telegraphs that they knew that they have no case.

If they appeal, they'll probably still lose.

I truly do feel sorry for the wife that her husband, whom I'm sure in his mind was well meaning, risked his life for nothing fighting for the bankster empire in actuality unbeknownst to him (who probably most likely would've been well on his way to waking up: ironically ones with the highest pace of 'awakening' are the vets and other former govt/state actors, the ones who were once within the system who were most propagandized to, because they either participated in it, and/or observed enough govt BS to know what all the Red Pill-ed have been saying have been true all along), now has his reputation ruined, even after his death permanently to some, and or 'ruined by Jesse' to others among the neoCon-set.

Plus, only lawyers 'won' anything, today. The widow had to re-live, first, having her heart broken over the loss of her hubby, and now his reputation, because he was mired in something bigger, more sinister ran by people who had ZERO interest in Kyle's well-being.

And, Jesse probably won't see any of the judgment, either: all legal fees, probably. Plus, chances are, whatever he did win, if he sees its light of day, would probably be donated to some veterans cause, if not, TO Chris Kyle's widow. Well...that's what I'd do: I'd give my judgment to the wife, and set up some trust for her and her kids.

well... remains to be seen what would happen from this point forth.

I'd be interested to see what vets do, or see Jesse any worse, now. Then again, if you're a vet and a 9/11 Truth activist and is awake to the NWO machinations, you'd have NEVER believed that Jesse would ever do or say what Chris Kyle & his ghost-writer alleged in his book, to begin with. Of course, if you're a pro-war, pro-state, neoCon vet who believes this is a just crusade to eradicate evil on behalf of 'Murica Fcuk Yeah!-type, well, nothing Jesse did, does, or will do, will be seen in good light to them to begin with. So in that sense, nothing changed.

Of course, to the casually political, whose idea of politics is simply voting every 2, 4, 6 years, in case Jesse does decide to run for POTUS in 2016, of course, I'm sure Jesse's win would be spun to make him look like some evil asshole who went after the estate of a surviving Navy SEAL sniper 'hero.'

The usual .o/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul