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Hamas firing rockets from civilian populated areas (Video)

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183565#.U9r...

"Hamas has stored and fired rockets from within densely-populated civilian areas, making Israeli attempts to stop them without causing collateral damage virtually impossible.

To compound the problem, Hamas has openly encouraged civilians to act as human shields, glorifying their actions as heroism. Misfired rockets by Islamists falling on Gaza's citizens are common, as the IDF's rocket coverage has consistently shown, but are skewed to blame Israel for alleged attacks on civilian centers.

Terrorists have also used hospitals and schools as command centers and military bases.

The IDF has previously provided video evidence that Hamas fires rockets from inside schools and it is also known that Hamas has also been using UNRWA schools as storage sites for its rockets. For the third time in recent days, such a stockpile was discovered in a UN school Tuesday."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183565#.U9r...

http://josiahe.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/terrorists-lies-kill...

"Hamas attempts to win international sympathy, because of the casualties of women and children. The truth though, is: “Here’s the difference between us,” Netanyahu said. “We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they’re using their civilians to protect their missiles.”

Hamas intentionally fires rockets from heavily populated areas – even hoping to draw foreign liberal / leftist press to show the carnage!"

http://josiahe.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/terrorists-lies-kill...



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I would like to know on what

I would like to know on what date the Palestinians started the war, from your understanding.

"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service." - Albert Einstein

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Which time?

Which time?

How about like you said 'the

How about like you said 'the Start'. I'm just looking for a specific date, so that i can read more about it.

"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service." - Albert Einstein

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So you want me to pick the start?

How about when Arafat took over the PLO? 1970.

1970 - The PLO blew up Swiss Air 330 flying into Israel- killed 47 people.

1972 - Palestinians kidnapped and murdered 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics.

History is littered with Palestinians murdering innocent people.

History is

littered with Israel murdering innocent people too.

June, 1967, USS Liberty

http://youtu.be/kjOH1XMAwZA

White phosphorous: http://youtu.be/s0igorvoBFs (warning graphic)

The Palestinians are a proud people and being occupied and having checkpoints and being forcibly encroached upon, their goods seized at ports, their children picked off, many people incarcerated, a giant wall, unequal rights, would tend to piss some people off.

It blows me away how some people have no empathy, no shoe on the other foot-sense.

Imagine if China or Russia invaded Texas:

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Try 637 AD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

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So should black people today be killing white's because their

ancestors did not get their 40 acres and a mule.

As my black friend tells his militant family "Get over it."

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Isn't that Hamas' position?

Kill Jews because they allegedly stole the land 60 years ago?

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You don't think not getting medical attention, or being able to

travel freely, or getting their homes razed and olive trees slashed, kids killed, or if lucky just beaten and tortured has anything to do with it?

Goodnight Mr. Granger!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

That happens because they elected terrorists to run Gaza...

...and no surprise, when terrorists attack Israel and hides behind civilians who are brainwashed to hate Jews and be martyrs for Allah, Israel has little has little choice but to defend themselves, and people get killed.

Stop firing rockets at Israel!

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So none of that was happening before Hamas got elected?

Is this what you are saying?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

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Who Wants All Your Attention on “Hamas” and “Rockets,” and Why

Please read the full article
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/wants-attention-hamas...
in part:
Only people who support the colonization and extermination of Natives spend as much time condemning the arrow-shooting as they do the instigating and obviously much worse, more important crimes: those of the self-proclaimed “superior” invading people, who herd Natives into ghettos, torture and exterminate them, steal their land for themselves, and cover their cancer-like campaign of murderous expansion by calling it self-defense against “savages” who should be supplanted by the superior beings.

Because Israel is committing these crimes, Israeli propagandists and their supporters crucially need our attention off of them and on “Hamas” and “rockets”, the contemporary versions of Native “savages” and their pathetic, near-worthless arrows, which the savages shoot from their ghettos and towards the people and the populations of the people terrorizing, torturing and exterminating them and stealing their land, the Israeli government.

The world has endured many campaigns of extermination of “savage” indigenous peoples by “superior” races, from the USA to Canada to Australia.

One such campaign is being carried out by Israeli colonizers against the indigenous Palestinian peoples. The campaign is being illegally funded, indeed, made possible, by US taxpayers.

Israeli propagandists intentionally label as “Hamas” any person or group in Palestine that suits their propaganda purposes, whether the people they are referring to are civilians, are part of Hamas, or are militants totally unaffiliated with Hamas or even acting in open defiance of it.

Israelis want us to believe that Hamas is responsible for all rocket fire into Israel. This is false. Israel wants us to believe this because Hamas is, as Jimmy Carter, Noam Chomsky, and many others have noted, the freely democratically elected government of Gaza. If the government carries out an attack, that is reason, in Israel’s self-serving and dishonest interpretation of international law, to invade Gaza and kill “Hamas”, which means Hamas and anyone else, including thousands of children.

Let us look at an example of how this works, and is currently working:

continue to read in full:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/wants-attention-hamas...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Hey LittleWing. We know what side you're on.

You've posted your posts.
Now I'm posting from the other point of view.

You want this place to be an echo chamber? A one sided, biased site where only one voice is allowed to be heard?

Hamas aren't exactly boyscouts, maybe you should wake up to these facts.

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You could take your last sentence and replace Hamas

with Zionists, and it'd still be the truth!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Please do explain why it's

Please do explain why it's wrong for an occupied people to fight back? And all of Gaza is densely populated. Plus, weapons have been found in only closed schools. I find it interesting that Israel claims this is about rockets when it bombed Gaza first, despite having no evidence linking Hamas to the deaths of the three teen colonists.

And Israel did not bomb Gaza "first".

If you're talking spring-summer of 2014, the rockets began pouring into Israel for nearly a week before Israel responded. You need to look it up, and stop spreading lies iconoclast. Then 3 Israeli teens were kid-napped and tortured to death. In light of that, with rockets continuing to pour into Israel towns and cities from Hamas militants in Gaza, Israel started bombing rocket sites, despite the human shields used by Hamas as a deterrent.

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You really know how to spin it, don't you?

Please tell me when in history the land known as "Palestine" was NOT "occupied"? Please tell me...

The last time it was an INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN NATION was when it was ancient Israel!
And it had not been a sovereign nation since Rome conquered ancient Israel until the reestablishment of Israel in 1948!

Before the Jews began returning in great numbers after WWII, the land was known in Arabic as "The Land of Death", because it was so empty, unpopulated, barren, and unfruitful. Since the Jews returned, the fruit orchards stretch across the landscape, and the cities are vibrant, and the economy and industry booming, especially compared to the rest of the region, which is still mostly run by Islamists.

So fast forward to today... "Palestine" runs it's own government, and it's own affairs for the first time in history! The Jewish State of Israel granted that land to the "Palestinian" people, aka the Arab Muslims that emigrated to the land who refuse to live next to Jews in Israel, unlike 1.6 million of their Arab brethren who are Israeli citizens, many of whom serve in the IDF. So because these Islamists refuse to live in a predominantly Jewish nation, they demanded the area of Gaza and the West Bank... They got it! Several times Jews were forced out of their own homes to allow the "Palestinian" Muslims to have exclusive rights to the land!
Israel still provides aid and services to Gaza, that the Palestinian government cannot handle, like securing their international borders.

Just take a look at a map of Israel from 1967 to today, and you'll see that Israel has been pressured by the UN and leftist international community to appease the "Palestinians" by giving up more and more territory to the terrorist backed Islamists. They've now given Hamas everything they want. They gave up all of Gaza to them. They give them and their people aid, and money. Yet Hamas still commits terror acts and continues to attack Israel in the face of mass civilian deaths which they are responsible for!

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Yeah...

"....since the Jews returned, the fruit orchards stretch across the landscape and the cities are vibrant....the economy is booming..."

I wonder if the $350 billion in "aid" over the last thirty years alone from the U.S. taxpayers has anything to do with that. And if their economy is booming(which I don't doubt) then why are we giving every single Israeli citizen $500 in "aid" per year? I also wonder if Israel would still be the U.S.'s "strongest ally" if we turned off the money spigot.

And saying that we give aid to other wealthy nations is no justification of the argument.

You won't get any tears from me when you talk about Israel "giving up more and more territory" that was given to them on a silver platter to begin with.

$350 Billion for fruit orchards?

No. 95% of the US "aid" to Israel, which I am certainly not a proponent of, is necessarily spent here in America, at our global 'MIC store'. So it's really stealing from American taxpayers so Israel can buy weapons for free from American weapons manufacturers. And btw, "Palestine" and many other Islamic countries who are hostile to Israel get the same thing, only they get to spend it however they chose, no stipulations.

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Genesis 13:15

All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever.

Exodus 33:3
…2"I will send an angel before you and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. 3"Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; for I will not go up in your midst, because you are an obstinate people, and I might destroy you on the way." 4When the people heard this sad word, they went into mourning, and none of them put on his ornaments.…

These 2 bible versus,and a few more, are the cause of all the fighting,one group says they are/were predestined to occupy it,and then,there's the other group who doesn't see it that way.
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

And that Bible/Torah gave the world the 10 Commandments

And the moral foundation for modern society. So how about showing a little respect?

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To whom?

Or what exactly?
Them commandmnets did not create a moral society,than the thousands we have to put with today in america
Laws never dictate any type of society,they can be used to oppress though,and are used that way
Did the commandment to not murder,solve murders?
How about the law to not steal? do people not steal anymore?
But so what,that is off topic and a misdirect from the point.
The point was,there were people living in them lands before them israelites came onto the scene,and I'd bet them peoples have a difference of opinion on whom owns what,and who doesn't won it,and are intruders
But these intruders are different,these have taken the world for a ride using guilt as the motivator,So these other nations get to pay homage and reparations to country they did not commit an offense to.
These people have more of say in our own congress than we the people do,to the tune of millions upon millions a year,and then these people,use their new found toys to oppress and suppress any and all opposition,including several pre-emptive strikes against other nations,including Iran.

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Deacon you're being slow

He didn't say the 10 commandments solved all the worlds problems, only that they provided a morality.

Much like the NAP doesn't stop aggression, it just provides a basis for a morality.

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I knew what he meant

they do not provide a basis for morality,it can,but usually not,especially to ones who believe in another deity or none at all,but again,his comment was off topic,and a misdirect from my comment,which BTW,was why the israelites
try to lay claim to that land,Why would any one who doesn't believe in god or his teachings want to believe the stories about who owns what,and who doesn't?
Would you believe me,if I showed up at your home,and said the great turnip told me"this is your house,drive out the inhabitants,and live in peace"
Would/could it help,if I showed up with one on a stick?
Or would you think I was nuts,and if I persisted at getting in,would you then defend yourself?
just asking
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Good to know that the people hating Israel, also hate the Bible.

Lets me know where you're coming from.

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Gaza, Israel and 'Human Shields'

Netanyahu, pro Israeli media and Zionist supporters can't resist endlessly recycling their trope that the Hamas use civilians to guard their rockets. They are clearly flummoxed as to why this assertion does nothing to quell the snowballing international outrage at the massacres they are committing. Their argument attempts to plant in our minds the notion that the Hamas actively invite the Israeli military to slaughter and maim innocents and, in doing so, prove that their savagery deserves to be annihilated. Paradoxically therefore, according to the twisted logic of Zionists, the more innocent Palestinians that die, the worse the Palestinians are. As a collective they are guilty of being innocent.

But this propaganda ploy doesn't work. Not only does it not work, it boomerangs completely. Every time a Zionist apologist repeats their 'human shield' accusations they merely advertise their own deficit of basic humanity. They tell us 'the Hamas think we have empathy for our fellow human beings, but if you look at the casualty figures, you'll see how mistaken they are.'

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2014/07/26/ga...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Lawmanjed,

I really get what you are trying to do here, but truth needs simply to be released. Those who are open to it will find it.

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Man, you really have a skewed

Man, you really have a skewed view of history!

First, the Palestinians were already there when the Zionist movement started, post WWII. There were Jewish, Muslim and Christian Palestinians living on that land, side by side, in relative peace.

Then came the 1947 partition, which unfairly granted the majority of the land of Palestine to the minority Jewish population. When the Palestinians objected, the zionists armed themselves and took Palestinian land by force. It was Palestinians, many who are still living, who were forced from their land and their homes. In the later wars, the state of Israel took more land, and since then the state has been allowing Israeli settlements to further encroach on land once owned by Palestinians.

So yea, they're fighting back, which is unfortunate but completely understandable.

What's so amazing about the situation is that the aggressors have so many Americans believing that they're the victims. Pretty much the rest of the world sees the reality. It's only here that the propagandized masses wear blinders and are afraid to question the propagandists lest they be labeled anti-Semite.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

So I guess you've never heard of Mt. Zion...

Any idea who named it that? When? If you think the Arabic Muslims who call themselves Palestinians were native to that land before the Hebrew people you don't know history. The Jews RETURNED in mass to their native G-d given homeland, after nearly being wiped out by a fascist regime that nearly conquered the planet.

The Islamists who had moved in since the majority of the Jews had been scattered didn't like the Jews coming back there. That's what started the beef over there, in '47. The Jews have every right to the land as much as Muslims. The problem is some Muslims won't live alongside Jews. But Israel has no problem having 20% of it's population being Arab Muslim.

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