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Barf bag please: Rand to tout George H.W. foreign policy in fall speech

RAND – MAN IN THE MIDDLE ON FOREIGN POLICY?

CNN: Politico’s Mike Allen shared important reporting about an effort by Rand Paul to address what is perhaps his most significant obstacle as he pursues the 2016 GOP presidential nomination: the isolationist label.

The freshman Kentucky senator has long complained it’s an unfair knock, and an unfair “guilt by association” situation with his father, former Rep. Ron Paul.

But Mike says the senator is planning a high-profile pitch at the National Defense University this fall to address his critics, and attempt to reposition himself on the foreign policy spectrum.

“He’s going to argue that he’s smack in the middle - the same place that George H.W. Bush was, that Reagan was, and that Ike was,” said Allen.

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Sounds like something

his dad did in one of the debates. See no way Rand says he agrees with the actual bush policy that he resorted to while in office.

In 2000 bush talked about not

In 2000 bush talked about not policing the world, (obviously he lied) but bush policy in 2000 (before he won) was more non-interventionist than you give him credit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc

see...wasnt that bad

The fact that Bush hired

The fact that Bush hired Cheney to handpick his cabinet belies Bush's claim prior to his election, that he would have a humble foreign policy. Either he is stupid or extremely ignorant, or a flat out liar. Either one is bad.

Flat out liar...

...but he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer either...

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Similar to Reagan

When Reagan picked GHW Bush, it should have been clear that it was over before it started...GHW Bush being an uber progressive, CIA interventionist and so-on.

But I think Reagan was a bit more sincere, whereas WBush...

...likely must have known about the plans for 911...

I think Reagan got on board with the globalism and the spending only after they shot him.

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maybe

If Bush knowing about 9/11 beforehand is plausible, then i think GHW Bush knowing about the assassination attempt is equally plausible. That was still during the CIA/FBI hayday when they were assassinating presidents and leaders all around the world....With the GHW Bush CIA connections, it was highly questionable.

Oh yeah, definitely...

HW Bush gave his infamous first New World Order speech on 9/11/91, exactly 10 years to the day before the 9/11 attacks would happen on his son's watch, as POTUS...

The documentary 'Dark Legacy - The Bush connection to the JFK assassination' details extremely well how Bush was involved in JFK assassination...
Considering HWBush was just previously CIA-head, and was next in line to assume the role of President as VP, when Reagan was shot, I'd say it's more than likely this Skull & Bones Nazi was involved in that attempted coup, as well.

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No, this is not a reference to Dubya's 'humble' foreign policy:

No, this is not a reference to Dubya's 'humble' foreign policy that Ron Paul talks about:

“He’s going to argue that he’s smack in the middle - the same place that George H.W. Bush was, that Reagan was, and that Ike was,”

George H.W. Bush is the father not the son.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

opps i did notice

opps i didnt notice the H.W. my bad. Eff that old prick

No surprise

he has to make it through a primary with mostly older neocon voters who love Bush.

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Commentary from CNN?

That is BARF in itself. Twisting to benefit their socialist fascist brethren.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

The heart of Liberty movement is foreign policy

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
-Cicero

Enemies from within...

...those are called 'domestic' enemies... So that would mean domestic policy is more important... Afterall, it's only after they've taken over domestically, that they can export their brand of tyranny elsewhere...

IMO, domestic policy is more important for the liberty movement to get America back on the right track... But it's all intertwined.

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You have not

You have not read The Iron Web by Larken Rose.

Of course, you can correct me if I am wrong.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Feel free

Of course i am not as well read as you, so please feel free to explain what you are trying to say so that someone of my understanding can learn.

The book.

I would suggest that you read the book rather than to have me explain. It provides scenarios, answers and tremendous food for thought.

In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, this book is a must read for all of humanity.

:-)

http://larkenrose.com/store/books/46-the-iron-web.html

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

ok...

I'm not going to buy the book so if you are not willing to explain your position, i do not know why you brought it up.

This is poor criticism of Rand

Anyone who has been following Ron Paul knows that this comparison to Bush is the exact same rhetoric that he (Dr. Paul) used in the debates in 07 and in his latest run. Plus this speech hasn't even happened yet!

"...(some radicals) want to impose our will with force. Not the American people--I’m talking the people who have hijacked our foreign policy, the people who took George Bush’s humble foreign policy and turned it into one of nation building...I liked the program he (Bush) ran on. That’s what I defend." - Ron Paul 2007 Meet the Press

Plenty to constructively criticize but this is embarrassing when it's a speech that hasn't even occurred and no different from his father in basic substance.

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ugh

Do you understand that the article in question is referring to the elder Bush, not the younger one contained in the Ron Paul reference you provided?

Elder Bush was part of CIA, a murderer, and interventionist from start to finish....Let us hope Rand Paul does not pretend to be part of that block.

nice...

Well done.

Séamusín

Thanks

Accurate criticism is one thing but excessive drama is just silly. I'm reminded that most of the ones pushing extreme purity litmus tests end up being anarchists who don't even believe in voting to begin with. Don't get me wrong, I love me some anarchists--they are fascinating. But when they throw up their hands claiming "this is the last straw!" You have to just smile...

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Just for the record

I prefer the term "Advocate of a capitalistic society, sans state"

That's how I refer to myself anyway.

Séamusín

ACSSS?

Doesn't have the same ring if you ask me.

:)

Thanks for that! I think I have adopted a new label.

Séamusín

Rand paul is for the war in Afghanistan

is against closig guantanamo bay, wats to nuke iran for isreal supports sanctions and said war against iran is not of the table. Before anyone sais that this is not his views he said all of this a week ago in a interview which he posted on his facebook page and i follow him on facebook. it is like the old saying listen to what your enemy is saying so you can combat him. Economic sanctions are an act of war – Ron Paul: http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/sanctions-war-ron-paul-769/ Ron Paul: Iran Sanctions = Act of War : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc

Rand is not RON

C'mon people get over it and let go. Rand is bought and paid for.

For a site that was started for Ron Paul why do we insist on focusing on his son who is NOTHING like his father.

Rand kicked his Dad in the teeth in 2012. Yet here is another posting about RAND the shill who sold his soul for position and prestige.

I don't need a barf bag I moved on in 2012.

You are right....

Rand is not Ron. I do cringe with some of Rand's comments...but look at his voting record. Not perfect but pretty damn good.

So you obviously will not be supporting Rand, but who will you vote for? Jeb? Slick Rick? Rmoney? Or some other bankers bitch? Or will you be real hard core and show 'em how much of a purist you really are by just staying home. And then you can bask in the glow of a Hitlery VS Establishment GOP candidate X, Y, or Z.

Looks like you've got it all figured out. Enjoy your tyranny.

Voting record

The voting record is very good, but not spectacular like a Justin Amash. The problem with referencing the voting record of Rand Paul is that he has only been there 4 years and all 4 years were during a democrat president....

The reason i bring this up is because even establishment republicans vote better during democrat president than when their own party controls it...For instance, Mitch McConnell is a snake but during the last 6 years or so, he is voting about 20% above his average....So if Rand is voting 94%, he could be more like 75% during a republican president. Ron Paul was nearly 100% regardless of the party in power...We dont know how Rand Paul would do under a republican administration.

I prefer a non-politician to lead this liberty movement.

I'll keep my integrity and

"bask in the glow of a Hitlery VS Establishment GOP candidate" <--(hey could be your boy Rand!)...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an