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The Christian Response to Earthly Government

Contrary to popular belief, God has a political plan for how we engage in government here on the earth. And even though I’ve mentioned it before, I don’t think we completely understand what our Christian responsibility and authority is in our worldly government. So I want to point out a few things from the Word of God so when someone asks, you’ll KNOW how to respond from a Christian perspective. That means I’m going to talk about Romans 13:1-4. "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
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How about Hebrews 13:1?

Let brotherly love continue.

Nuff said.

AUM

Romans 13 in context with the book of Acts

Riots break out everywhere the Apostle Paul goes. He gets arrested several times, has a government prison heavily damaged as a consequence of his and Silas' prayers to God, spends several years in prison, uses extensive government resources for his protection, and is ultimately killed by the government. As Jesus says in Luke 10:37 "Go and do likewise."

Interesting viewpoint

The article takes a turn that I've never seen before, in that it takes the meaning of "government" to be individual citizens instead of elected officials. The article claims that we have abdicated our role, and willfully let elected officials command an authority that they are not truly given, either Biblically or Constitutionally. That's a different take on this passage than I've heard before, and it could settle some issues that Americans have with Romans 13.

The problem still remains that, when taken at face value, this passage suggests that Christians should always be obedient to the government; even to some of the most repressive, genocidal regimes history has ever known (Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, etc.). This cannot be what Paul meant when he wrote the letter to the Roman church.

In context, it seems to me that Paul is suggesting that the government does God's will when it punishes wrong-doing. NOT that every action of the government is somehow sanctioned by God. Indeed, the church in Rome was heavily persecuted for practicing their faith, and yet they didn't stop this "civil disobedience" even when it sent them to their deaths.

For me, while Romans 13 could be used to justify the existence of government, it could never:

1. Justify blind obedience to said government.
2. Justify government (whereby one human rules over another) as God's ideal plan for humanity.

For an interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#State_auth...

You might find Chuck Baldwin's take on Romans 13 closer..

to your own:

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/320/Romans...

He was a Florida Pastor (now in Montana) who ran on the Constitution Party ticket in '08

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Thanks!

I've seen some of his stuff on the DP here before. I'll definitely check out this article!

Ed

Interesting viewpoint but...

I think that your post may have left out a passage that is relevant to the topic, from the book of Collisions.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

I think that this passage shows that we don't owe blind obedience to government. We are not under any obligation to obey ordinances that forbid us from touching, tasting, or using something that perishes after usage. (In other words, no obligation to obey prohibition)

The last verse in this chapter says why.

Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Let me also paste that from the CEV as it may be more readable.

Col 2:23 Obeying these rules may seem to be the smart thing to do. They appear to make you love God more and to be very humble and to have control over your body. But they don't really have any power over our desires.

Taken out of context

Your allusion to State Government in the text that you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with civil government. If you read the entire book of Colossians,you will discover the problem that particular Church had was with the Judiazers; those Christian Jews who desired to retain aspects of the Mosiac Law. The Books of Hebrews, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Acts reflected that the problem was systemic. Thus, the Grace vs. Law controversy

Response

While I do not disagree with your response , (except the first sentence) I do think it is applicable.

After all, civil law is often based on religious law. It is because of religious law that many Christians want the federal government to outlaw homosexuality, for example.

The point that I am trying to make is that the law (whether civil or religious) condemns society. In some cases, rightly so. A murderer is condemned because he transgresses the law of man and God.

But are we under any condemnation from a law that forbids us to touch or taste something? You know, the Christians in the Roman Empire went through some of the worst persecutions in Christianity but even they weren't told you can't grow or use certain herbs. Out of all the laws of the Old Testament, there isn't one that forbids an herb from being consumed. Yet because of the false teachings of the Temperance Movement, many modern Christians like believe that God made some evil herbs and therefore vote on politicians that vote for the prohibition of certain herbs.

Because of those very same religious laws, voters and politicians have created civil law that goes against God.

NO ... I do not consent

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers"

You must understand I think therefore I am
There is no power higher then me I am not and shall not be subjugated.

I am not a slave ... I am Sovereign Forever

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

What about physics? Gravity?

What about physics? Gravity? Dehydration? Electro-magnetic fields? Starvation? Are you subject to them? I think you are subject to many more higher powers than you are willing to consider.

What makes

any such powers "higher?" Are not powers you mention subject to our manipulative wishes expressed through knowledge and action?

Think ... Please

Do I have the power to tell The laws of Physics that I do not wish to obey or tell gravity and magnetism to release me from their influence?

Can I not eat if I am starving or take precautions to prevent dehydration ... I Think therefor I AM

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

You are FORCED- by nature or

You are FORCED- by nature or whatever- to eat and drink, else you will cease to think, and cease to BE.

almost ...

I am not forced to do these things by nature,it is my nature to do these things.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

HAHAHA. You are a slave to

HAHAHA. You are a slave to biology.

I am a master of it.

Biology is a natural science concerned with the study of life and living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, evolution, distribution, and taxonomy.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Your consciousness is a slave

Your consciousness is a slave to the billions of organisms that make up the biology that is your physical body. Without that biology, your consciousness ceases to exist. Unless of course, you "believe" in the metaphysical, spiritual, non-locality of consciousness.

Last question ...

Am I not more then the sum of my parts ?
Cogito ergo sum ...

I'll be gracious and give you the last words because I know in order to vindicate yourself you must have it.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

I love you and am glad you

I love you and am glad you are on this site. You are just like me!