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How a doctor thousands of miles away, changed my mind and heart, or an open thank you note.

I was born and raised pro- choice. The institutions of my country, school, and any sane politician, will just assume that the right perspective of this matter will be: of course any woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.

Abortion has been legal by law in Denmark since 1973, until the 12th pregnancy week (technically 14 weeks).

In cases of chromosome errors, or parents judged “unfit” for parenting: to young, drug abuse, previous cases of child abuse, the limit of 12 weeks, could be pushed a lot. (Up to week 20, 21, 22, 23 and even 24 weeks)

During the last 40 years our small population of about 5 million people, has used this option somewhere in between ½ million to 1 million times.

Here is a little bonus info, we pay around half our income in taxes, and top that off with 25% sales taxes. We have a massive welfare state, and universal healthcare. We don’t pay a penny for doctor, specialists, hospitals, emergency room or operations. So in fact, when we say we have “free abortion” in Denmark, it’s quite literally.

So, in the early primaries of 2008, I had to do a lot of research, because while there were only one candidate advocating for putting an end to war and occupation, I found myself in instant agreement with this position of non-intervention. But, disagreed with almost everything else: Guns, liberty, abortion, Taxation

It was during this research I came across a 40 pages pdf online, titled
Abortion and Liberty
. It just took a few pages of reading, and I was changed. I have never looked back, and find my moral compass much more in sync, with the love that my favorite doctor preach.

Thank you, from an ocean away, with a sea of love.

Jeppe



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Here is where Ron Paul's heart is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ0nM7lWPI8

A real doctor to serve whom ever needs it.

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Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

Tks for sharing. Denmark is a beautiful country

I've been many times. Of course Copenhagen, but also Thisted, Allborg, Randers, even Borneholme Island.

I've never met a Dane I didn't like.

And yes, your taxes are insane. 100% sales tax on new car purchases.

I'd rather have the money in my pocket and pay a doctor when I need one.

Peace

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

Incredible!

How incredible is this, I have traveled the world for years, but never even been to Bornholm myself! And here are you, American i presume, and you have traveled places in my tiny (excluding Greenland) country that I have neever been!

Maybe they have given the screw j-u-s-t a few nodges extra since your visits:

& dont underestimate their need for more money, the sales taxes on top of a new car is now 180%!

Happy to finally meet, we may have crossed each other already ;-)

I can throw this intercontinental compliment right back at you: I have never meet an american I didnt like. (Not counting american people only seen on TV!)

"intercontinental compliment" is a wonderful choice of words.

Who knows JP? Maybe we bowled beside each other one cold winters night.

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

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Truth

Rings free universally across any land or water. Looks like you have your work cut out for you. Keep the faith and spread Liberty !

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Thank you for posting this.

Among many reasons why I believe abortion to be wrong, I always thought it was inconsistent for those women ( Medical reasons or rape aside) to say they are responsible to decide whether or not to keep a baby, yet demonstrated NO responsibility for failing to use inexpensive contraception. That 1/3 of women who decide to abort have already done so once already indicates the callousness of making the choice to choose abortion.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

In a nut shell - the glaring inconsistency as stated by the Doc:

“As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life begins at conception. I am legally responsible for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there’s a legal life there. The unborn has inheritance rights, and if there’s an injury or a killing, there is a legal entity. There is no doubt about it.” ~ Ron Paul

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Fantastic.

But I have to ask a question...if abortion is strictly relegated to a woman's right to do whatever with her own body why are there legal penalties associated with the endangerment or death of the child when a pregnant woman takes drugs or is murdered, resp.?

Why then does the child's life matter?

How illogical that the mother - the one who should lay her life down for her child - is given the freedom to kill that child yet the laws (and moral outrage) changes when the child is endangered by an act other than abortion or the child is endangered by someone other than the mother.

Either the child taking up resident in the mother's womb is a dispensable life or it's a meaningful life. Can't have it both ways.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Not that I agree (anymore),

Not that I agree (anymore), but I think the logic goes like this:

The child does matter, and the life is sacred, unless the mother decides it is not.

If the mother does not want the baby, she is free to do what she wants. Since its her body.

(The father doesnt have ANY say in the matter AT ALL)

A lot of people use these types of arguments: "We only have "wanted" babies. surely it must be better than to have all these "unwanted" babies" "I can provide better for my child, if I finish my school, get a degree, get a job, have the money to give my child the best" or simply "I'm not ready"

Or: "Back in the days when it was still illegal, all these women got hurt by illegal doctors, while trying to go through with the abortion anyways"

Almost no children in Denmark are born by the mother, planning to give the child away for adoption. Guess its easier to cut the loss early on, rather than going through the inconvenience of 9 month of pregnancy :-/

I had a hard time to answer your questions, because you so eloquently points out the fallacies in my former views. I even feel quite a bit ashamed writing this answer... But I brought it up, and you asked.

Kyrie Eliason! Just saw this.. and your post

Have there been any studies on post abortion syndrome in Denmark?
www.unfairchoice.info/intro.htm

death rates are higher from abortion, for the mother, than death rates for childbirth...

http://afterabortion.org/2012/higher-death-rates-after-abort...

The studies here show that 80% would keep their children themselves, or adopt them out if they felt they had a real choice.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The short answer is yes.

The short answer is yes. Research has been done. But the conclusions differ (a lot).

I found an article, by a Norwegian psychologist, Bjørn Håkonsson.

He walks us through the research concluded during the years. Scandinavian, and International (Priscilla K. Coleman, Nancy Adlers, Fergusson,Horwood and Ridder)

His finishing words translate as follows:

"It is still possible to explain away the psycological suffering after abortion and believe in other factors. But as more crtitcal research is being done, this position gets more and more absurd"

Maybe a translator (google, babelfish) can help you if you want to read it in its entirety. its a 7 pages pdf (6 pages of text, one page of references), and can be found here:

http://www.abortlinien.dk/fileadmin/user/filer/dokumenter/Ar...

Thanks for your question, I learned a lot!

Hi Libera_me! Those facts

Hi Libera_me!

Those facts are new to me.

I can see the article is from 2012. I will investigate a bit, and get back to you with a substantiated reply.

Thanks for engaging!

Though I am not particularly interested in the subject.

The Doc always has my ear. He knows more than I do about most subjects. That is for certainly.

Awesome brother! It is in our

Awesome brother! It is in our design that we know murder is wrong. The world has done its best to convince us otherwise. Praise the Lord for pouring his spirit out on you to come to this understanding!

You said it: We know murder

You said it: We know murder is wrong. The first step to understanding any issue is to get the language right.

An Embryo is a Gift From Heaven

For whatever the reason conception occurs either by accident or by way of tragic violence, it is a living being whose purity of innocence should be looked upon as God's potential for human good, to be treasured and not condemned.

I do not believe in God, so I

I do not believe in God, so I can't look at it this way. If I can change the words a bit, I completely agree:

" ... be looked upon as human potential for human good, to be treasured and not condemned."

Pdf can be read here:

http://files.meetup.com/504095/Ron%20Paul-Abortion%20and%20L...

I just re-read it, and I still think its wonderful!

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It is an excellent essay and

It is an excellent essay and Doris Gordon's statement on the issue is the best I've read.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

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read and bookmarked. very good.

Thanks, I've always struggled

Thanks, I've always struggled with this issue as well. I've always known that at the point of conception the infant exists. I've also felt that its a personal choice and private matter that should be handled by the individuals involved and that they had a "right" to make the call; even though I knew it was wrong. Since having two sons of my own and loosing our first to a miscarriage I've had a much harder time justifying my view. This document really hit home and illuminated what I had known all along but was perhaps too afraid to admit or lacked the conviction to support. Its much easier to say its up to them, its not my problem. In reality it is everyone's problem because we are making a conscious decision to turn a blind eye to a policy of murder with arbitrary guidelines. Thanks for the link.

I've been lurking here for years but recently registered during the 24 hour window and this is my first official post. Hopefully I haven't offended anyone. I appreciate all the news and opinions I get from the Daily Paul.

I completely agree with what

I completely agree with what you wrote here:

"In reality it is everyone's problem because we are making a conscious decision to turn a blind eye to a policy of murder with arbitrary guidelines"

Its unhealthy for the shared human psyche to agree to turn the blind eye to any kind of violence: abortion, wars, etc.

Hello GreenEggs

Thanks for your post. I too have had a difficult time with this issue and finally realized that Dr. Paul is right.

This was really the one issue with him that took me a little time to get behind because of my belief in the right of self determination and privacy between doctor and patient, but after a lot of thought I have finally come around. Peace