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7 conservatives who thought dropping the atom bomb was barbaric and unnecessary

President Herbert Hoover

“The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul. The only difference between this and the use of gas is the fear of retaliation.” — Written [ by Hoover ] to Army and Navy Journal publisher Colonel John Callan O’Laughlin after the Hiroshima bombing

“I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia into Manchuria.” — A Diary Entry of Herbert Hoover’s

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Look, during WWII, the US did

Look, during WWII, the US did a lot of really scary things. Not only did they drop the atom bombs, but they firebombed several Japanese and German cities. They definitely killed a lot of civilians.

The thing is...that is war. And that was a war that the US had good reasons for being in. They had to lose, and we had to win, and at the end of the day, that is what mattered. Not only did Japan fire what was not arguably the first major blow of the conflict, but both Germany and Japan were existential threats to the US...that was what many Americans felt at the time, and that feeling was not without basis in reality.

Plus, the government and the people definitely saved the lives of American troops by using bombs instead of ground forces. Using the atomic bomb might have saved thousands of American soldiers' lives. Sure, in exchanged they tore apart the lives of thousands of Japanese, but the American government had and has an obligation to its people first.

Plus, the US tried to avoid civilian casualties. They distributed pamphlets and warned civilians of what they were doing. When it came to dealing with the despicable war criminals, they did not stoop to their enemies' levels and butcher them; they gave them trials.

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Firebombing of Japanese Cities during World War II

One of the areas that almost everyone knows about concerning World War II is the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

One of the areas that is not as well known, but should be, is the firebombing of Japanese cities which, overall, wrecked more death and destruction than the atomic bombs. Anyone who has seen the Miyazaki film Grave of the Fireflies, though, already has an idea just how horrible this process was.

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The 20th century was a legacy of madness: Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Unconditional Surrender to Stop Soviet Union?

Some historians believe that the atomic bombs were dropped to force an unconditional surrender before the Soviet Union could achieve major land gains in the Pacific theatre and to ensure that the Japanese surrendered to the United States and not the Soviet Union. Roosevelt had achieved a tactical victory against the Axis by securing Russia's participation in the Pacific war by the time of the Yalta conference. This meant that, no matter what, the Soviet Union would go to war with the Empire of Japan on August 8, 1945. Sure enough, this happened. While the United States likely saw Japan as ready to surrender, there was concern, even from the Japanese, about the Russians entering the Pacific theatre. However, what happened on August 6th was the atomic bombing of Hiroshima; this is two days before the scheduled war declaration as agreed to by the Soviet Union. Distrust had already started fermenting between the Soviet Union and the allies. Truman viewed the Soviet Union as an adversary, and any agreement that Roosevelt had come to over the Nazis with Stalin was an issue of convenience. While Roosevelt had looked for ways to secure international peace and prevent a third world war, believing there was an opportunity for long term cooperation between the Soviets and the United States, Truman was purportedly a hard line anti-communist and skeptic. He saw Stalin as someone who had manipulated Roosevelt into giving up Poland at Yalta. Japan was equally concerned:

"On July 30, Ambassador Satō wrote that Stalin was probably talking to Roosevelt and Churchill about his dealings with Japan, and he wrote: "There is no alternative but immediate unconditional surrender if we are to prevent Russia's participation in the war." On August 2, Tōgō wrote to Satō: "it should not be difficult for you to realize that ... our time to proceed with arrangements of ending the war before the enemy lands on the Japanese mainland is limited, on the other hand it is difficult to decide on concrete peace conditions here at home all at once."

The Japanese did not only fear the Soviet Union entering the Pacific theatre, but after the allies saw what was going on with the Soviets in Europe, they also sought to prevent the very entry of Russia into the war; an agreement they had arranged. They did not predict the fall of Germany so quickly and were looking at a worst case scenario, whereas, even if victory was achieved over Berlin, the Nazis would launch asymmetrical warfare to retake key territories occupied by the allies and the Russians. Some say this is why the allies tactically wanted responsibility of German POWs and the invasion of Berlin itself to go to the Soviet Union and not the United States. Roosevelt feared a prolonged, continued war with a Nazi resistance movement.
Following agreements made at the Tehran and Yalta conferences, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945. Two days prior, the US dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. This was not a coordinated attack between two world powers. With communication purportedly knocked out all throughout Japan and the amount of damage done never seen before in the history of warfare, the United States, paranoid about Stalin's entry into the theatre, did not get the unconditional surrender they were looking for from Japan.

The day Russia declared war on Japan and invaded Manchuria, the US dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki.

Japan's August 9th meeting:

"The full cabinet met on 14:30 on August 9, and spent most of the day debating surrender. As the Big Six had done, the cabinet split, with neither Tōgō's position nor Anami's attracting a majority. Anami told the other cabinet ministers that, under torture, a captured American P-51 fighter pilot had told his interrogators that the United States possessed 100 atom bombs and that Tokyo and Kyoto would be bombed "in the next few days". The pilot, Marcus McDilda, was lying. He knew nothing of the Manhattan Project and simply told his interrogators what he thought they wanted to hear to end the torture. The lie, which caused him to be classified as a high-priority prisoner, probably saved him from beheading. In reality, the United States would have had the third bomb ready for use around August 19, and a fourth in September 1945. The third bomb probably would have been used against Tokyo."

Hirohito had a telegram sent to the US by 2:00 AM August 10 agreeing to unconditional surrender under the Potsdam Declaration.

Why was war criminal Emperor Hirohito of Japan spared?

In the aftermath of World War 2, plenty of Axis power war criminals were tried, and there is no doubt that had Mussolini or Hitler survived, they would have faced death penalty charges under international tribunal.

Hirohito offered himself to be tried, unlike the coward Hitler, and the publically executed Mussolini. The world, specifically the United States, declined to charge him.

Hirohito personally ordered the torture, rape, and murder of Chinese POWs, women, and children during the invasion of China and Manchuria during World War 1.

This brutal practice continued, and became known throughout the world, when Japan did the same thing to allied, and particularly American POWs.

Hirohito personally ordered the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, which outraged the entire world, at the time. It is said that even the other Axis powers saw the attack as particularly barbaric.
Hirohito intentionally sought to take over most of the Pacific while the rest of the world was focusing on defending itself against Nazi Germany. While millions of French troops were wiped out in the gas attacks of World War 1, and the country quickly over-run by the Nazis, Japan still invaded and occupied French Indochina as a matter of policy. This was particularly low, given the circumstances under which the French people had suffered in both wars and the general lack of any hostility against Japan, even after it signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy, forming the Axis powers.
In 1938, Hirohito personally authorized the use of chemical weapon gas 375 times against Wuhan, Hubei Province, China. This violated the 1889 Hague Declaration, the 1907 Hague Convention, and the Versailles Treaty. Having been subject to poison gas attack in World War 1 himself, even Hitler forbade the use of chemical weapons on the battle field, no matter how indiscriminate his targetting of civilians and reign of terror was. The actions of trying to take this *one* town resulted in nearly one million casualties, including an effort to flood the town by the Chinese to avoid its takeover.
Hirohito ordered illegal human testing of prisoners of war and innocent civilians, including live autopsies, surgeries without anesthesia, the removal of body organs while the victim was conscious, live human dissection, human vivisection, animal and human biological testing, such as removing human organs and replacing them with animal organs, and unspeakable atrocities under the guise of "medical research". The details of these biological tests are unspeakable and rival the war crimes of the Nazis in their barbarism.

Hirohito directly authorized the synthesis of methamphetamine and other drug cocktails and had the drugs supplied to Japanese pilots and soldiers, in many cases without their knowledge or consent, in violation of international law and human rights. The radical drugging of Japanese soldiers and top commanders, so that they would be capable of unspeakable aggression, was mirrored by Hitler in the west. It is known today that Hitler, himself, was taking an inordinate amount of amphetamines, including methamphetamine, which had been first synthesized and widely distributed by the Empire of Japan. The drug cocktails given to followers and leaders in the Axis was far more widespread than known in the 40s and in the aftermath of the war. Barbiturates, cocaine, meth, and opium capsules were distributed widely from the German Panzer divisions orchestrating their blitzkrieg, to nearly every Japanese field marshal terrorizing civilian population centers and brutally torturing POWs. To counter the unrelenting fear, the US also distributed amphetamines, caffeine pills, and cocaine to USAF pilots. The 40s quickly became the decade of speed, with much thanks to be given to Hirohito. The unethical and illegal tests performed by Japanese and German scientists on live human test subjects to produce these drugs would leave an unbreakable stain on the world to this day, still claiming victim after victim.

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Hirohito ranks in the top ten for most brutal 20th century war criminal. But what’s amazing is that he never faced charges, nor did most of his fundamentalist cabinet and army of absolute barbaric war criminals. Such a trial could have resulted in nearly half a million fervent defendants. Instead, the US halts all war crime prosecutions against Japan in 1948 under the orders of President Truman. It disbands the Military Tribunal of the Far East.

Roosevelt vs. Truman: Who wouldn’t have dropped the bomb?

It is questionable as to whether Franklin Roosevelt would have ever dropped the atomic bombs on Japan, for a number of reasons. Yet, matter of fact, the reality was that the Manhattan Project was a race to weaponize atomic power before Germany or any other superpower could obtain a clear advantage. This was before U.S. superpower hegemony and very much a race for the fate of billions of lives, and the entire world, potentially living under a surrender condition from Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. I don't think that FDR intended to actually use the bomb on Japan itself, as we were close to victory. The real agenda was preventing Russian interference and large land grabs. Truman knew that we had achieved naval and air supremacy by '45 in the Pacific, but we did not have the manpower the Soviets had. Even in full war time mobilization, the war was winding down. Millions of allied troops and local militias that appeared after D-Day were on the other side of the world, we were not ready for a ground invasion of Japan. But did we even need one?

A Legacy of Madness: USA, Britain, Germany, Italy, and Japan:

Hirohito lived a long, fruitful life, and died comfortably, in 1989. The rest of the entire world continues to live in the aftermath of a world that he and other world tyrants made possible. Perhaps one can argue that Hitler's most long lasting legacy, a fitting irony that has plagued the entire world, was the inadvertent creation of Israel, resulting in non-stop unrest and war in the Middle East. Stalin's legacy would be the cold war, and the irony of sustaining the American war machine by creating a permanent world adversary. Throughout World War 2, Russia betrayed its Nazi ally, and would betray the United States and Western Europe by the end of the war. While Italy lost the war, it also joined the allies. And while Benito Mussolini saw mob justice arrive at his door, with a literal kick in the ass from democracy, his legacy of corporate and state marriage lives on in the western world. Churchill’s steadfast absolutism in the face of adversity became instantly cited as a rallying cry for hard headed and extremely annoying American and British politicians since the day the war ended. Franklin Roosevelt continues to be remembered by many as a great president, who saved the continental United States from full scale invasion, and won the latest 'great war'. But ultimately, Roosevelt leaves a legacy of brutality towards American citizens of Japanese ancestry by creating harsh detention camps. He led the United States through its most difficult time, but the war successfully changed Roosevelt. By the end of his life, Roosevelt had fully mechanized the United States army, and placed the United States into a massive amount of debt. He leaves behind a record subject to massive debate, and dies in office, inadvertently, with the United States poised to launch the most powerful weapon ever created in the history of mankind, on a defeated adversary. His agenda, beliefs, and aspirations for the United States, as a born idealist, are left to the pragmatist Truman. While Truman seemingly has no hesitation launching two atomic bombs on Japan, an arguably defeated nation completely blockaded by his predecessor, he later refuses to endorse a genuine Pacific theatre war hero in the 1960 presidential elections. After the election, and nearly 15 years after the bombings he authorized, he has the humility to befriend President Kennedy, and, by 1964, fades into obscurity by repeatedly warning about and calling an the end of the Central Intelligence Agency. For Truman, is this a legacy of redemption?

Why We Remember the Fallout, Literally, and Figuratively

Either way, the record shows the US had motive to use the bombs, not only to force a surrender of Japan, but to end any Soviet plans to continue the war within its sphere of influence, particularly in Asia and the Pacific. To put an end to a deal gone bad. By the summer of 1945, the United States realized Stalin had no intention to live up to his promise of self-determination for Eastern Europe or reunification of Berlin. It also realized it no longer needed Stalin to end the war. Is it no surprise then, that the next two wars the United States engaged itself in, are located in that region? Ultimately, World War 2 continues to resonate with the world, and nations continue to behave in certain powers as a direct result of the outcomes of that war. Beware, though, when the world forgets that war, which it seems to be doing, and looking at major, geopolitical, conventional war, once again, with salivation. After Iraq and Afghanistan, the American people rightfully, and desperately, look for representatives and leaders who will not look at war as a great opportunity. They hope they can find the genuine article after Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Kerry. With depleted uranium warheads customary to put on bombs, missile shields being proposed that would nullify mutually assured destruction, and weapon systems that can purportedly intercept ICBM’s from land, air, and sea, is the world ready for what it will unleash? More importantly, will the nations of the world remember what she already has done to her people?

For a while, America remembers that no one ever wins a war. Until the next war. The world leaders involved in World War 2 are a great example of this. Each one, in his own way, decriminalized war, performed acts that deeply violated human rights, and either lived or died, only for their acts to be criminalized once again. Until a future generation forgets, and undoes everything to start it again. For people have short memories.

By 2001, our enemies had given us something to fear in terror. Whether those enemies be foreign or domestic, and I suspect mostly domestic, they gave us... Fear itself. A wise old man once said it is the only thing we have to fear.

And as that wise young man President Truman refused to endorse, once said: "Terror is not a new weapon. Throughout history, it has been by those who could not prevail, either by persuasion or example. But, inevitably, they fail. Either because men are not afraid to die for a life worth living, or because the terrorists themselves came to realize that free men cannot be frightened by threats, and that aggression would meet the full response. And it is in the light of that history that every nation should know, he be friend or foe, that the United States has both the will and the weapons to join free men in standing up to their responsibilities." - Pres. John F. Kennedy, UN General Assembly, September 25, 1961

Accordingly, all intelligent people know that the use of atomic weapons is a pointless endeavour. Terrorism should be treated as a criminal matter, unless it is state sponsored, because it is a crime. Those that know their history know that the history of the world is filled with terror, war, and famine, and that countries that value the rule of law, democratic elections, free association, liberty, justice, and freedom are the grand exception to a world whose entire history is ravaged by slavery, rape, murder, and unending, and countless centuries of bloodshed and human warfare. Always, there is a shimmering hope, from Fiji to Fallujah, that the spark is still there. Hidden away, in the hearts and minds of every man, woman, and child on the planet. The seed of freedom. The spirit of 1776. The Republic. People of intelligence know that they rise and fall, but never has a system of governance allowed the people to exercise their God given, inalienable human rights, without interference, so well. That spark is exemplified in people who stopped bombs from dropping and violence from erupting. Those who advocated for real change without slogans knew the true history of the world was a dark one until the Enlightenment. They often fall victim to authoritarians, but they win the ideological battle. Those men stopped nuclear bombs from being dropped. Some with their lives. They are the ones worth remembering. We remember the villains, and what they did to our world, so that one day, we can undo their damage when the time comes.

Stalin

Sadly, the only reason to mindlessly butcher so many innocent Japanese civilians was NOT to terminate (an already terminated) World War.

Rather, it was to send a strong message to Stalin that Americans were serious about their nuclear arsenal & wouldn't hesitate using it against Soviet Union, should it come to that.

Despicable & disgusting, but that's the horror of wars.

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I think the first one was more than enough message.

the horrors of war are that! And they are visited on others by people. Who funded Hitler to start it all? Was the same old, same old? So we can recoil from "the horrors of war" to dismiss who the PERSON behind it was? Not the same party that funded the bomb of course even if you dig right to the bottom.

The dropping of the atom

The dropping of the atom bombs were war crimes, plain and simple. Japan was already done and was about to surrender. We dropped the bombs as a show to the world, and Russia in particular, of our power and nothing more.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

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One thing to take note on.

The plan in place at the time was to stage a massive full scale invasion of Japan if the bomb did not work in forcing surrender. They did however surrender.
The very same month that invasion would have taken place, a massive storm on the scale of the one that wiped out Kublakhan's fleet hit Japan. This is one of those single events that could have changed the course of history.

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This is good to know.

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