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You Be the Webmaster! DP Challenge #2: "You people need to stop!"

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Submitted by WillinMiami on Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:40. Permalink
Stop mourning the loss of this communist! He was NOT a friend of liberty! These damn crocodile tears are pitiful!!

It is on the Robin Williams RIP thread that Séamusín posted.

Here is another quote, same thread:

Who are YOU to tell me enough? I am sorry but you will have to help me understand why I should bother myself to care that you think I should not speak my mind as much as these other little girls that are crying over a drug addict liberal coward that took his own life after spending thousands of dollars over the years helping to oppress me and take my freedom.

What do you do with this guy, Daily Paul?

Holy crap
Submitted by WillinMiami on Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:18. Permalink
Have I somehow gotten lost and ended up in little bitch land?!?! You people need to recognize the enemies of freedom and act like men! What is all of this crying and moaning?!?! Robin Williams actively worked against liberty and for big government!!!!!

Is he wrong? He asks:

If I am so wrong for so long like he was, I expect condemnation! I will be damned if I mourn those that work to oppress me! His money helped get people elected that took away my freedoms and unjustly taxed me. He was a willing accomplish in taking my money and my freedom! He was the enemy!!!!!

Is he entitled to his opinion?

Is he entitled to his opinion at the Daily Paul?

Do you guys want to keep him around?

He is an oldtimer. I give him credit for that.
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/1403

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Looks to me like he sees that "Thin line between entertainment..

and war"... that others here may not.

http://youtu.be/V99Pd-_VADo

us and them

I was avoiding comment on this thread

But I think many people here missed something important. He made a comment making his opinion clear.

http://www.dailypaul.com/324126/robin-williams-dead-at-63#co...

It was a fine comment, made his point very clear. I wanted to respond, but I thought "you know what, he makes a good point... It is certainly something to think about".

And left it there...

All that other crap he posted came later. For some reason he wasn't satisfied with making his point. He needed to resort to ridiculing others. Condemning their opinions and then telling others that they had no right to comment on his.

He wised up after a bit. The truth is he was put in check by a couple of us. Called out on a hypocrisy so obvious the only way you could ignore it is if you were drunk...

If you want my opinion, he was drunk, and he probably feels bad and humiliated. That's enough. He is a good man and good member of the community. We all make mistakes. And if alcohol was involved, then I have a special place in my heart for that kind of mistake. If not, it still makes little difference.

Michael, this is genius. This is a great way to maintain order around here. Very anarcho-Icelandic. The althing, where we lay our disputes bare and let the people weigh in.

Séamusín

Wrong

Thank you but you are wrong on a couple of points:

I was not drunk nor did I feel bad or humiliated. Besides that fact that I had said all that I wanted to say, I was simply tired and went to bed.

My follow up comments were posted, in part, because I saw people responding and down-voting and thought about how many posts that I've read here over the last 7+ years and how I, in most cases, refrained from down-voting or bashing some of the really retarded posts because I thought "Well, I don't agree but whatever". I was pissed that I was being told that being passionate about a subject was taboo or otherwise wrong when, as someone else posted in this thread, many of us believe that "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice".
Well, I am extreme when it comes to defense of liberty and I get mad as hell when people contribute to deny me liberty (like so many Hollywood "elites" often do).

I served as an infantry paratrooper in the Army when I was young and believed all the mush taught to me about the military and fighting for freedom. While I'm happy that, in the four years that I was in, I was never sent into combat (no wars going on between 92 and 95 that the 82nd was used in), now that I know the truth, I am angry that I served the government and the warmongers that are in control. I wish that I could take the pill and enjoy a nice juicy steak but I can't. When I recognize those that actively engage in acts that support the tyrants and despots, I have ZERO tolerance or compassion for them.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Thank you, friend

.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'm a Brewmaster

send me your beer so I can judge it.

Dude!!!

When are you gonna take me up on my offer to get a beer. I am a connoisseur. And you are a brew master!!!!

Séamusín

Did you ever go to Brewmasters

in Kenosha when it was open? I was there for about 18 months.

No.

I am fairly new to the area. I thought the only brewery in k-town was Public...

Séamusín

Is your e-mail contact between members

blocked in your profile?

Absolutely not. Here is an

Absolutely not. Here is an analysis of his post:

If I am so wrong for so long like he was, I expect condemnation!
-- Nothing bad here
I will be damned if I mourn those that work to oppress me! His money helped get people elected that took away my freedoms and unjustly taxed me.
-- He is completely right. I think the MSM and the Hollywood establishment are doing a lot of damage. If pointing out these facts in the DP will get people banned please let us know.
He was a willing accomplish in taking my money and my freedom! He was the enemy!!!!!
-- OK, a bit over the top but nothing really bad. I don't think he was "the enemy" but I don't think he was a saint either.

I think there is an emotional attachment to a Williams since he seemed very human and was a great comic. However, many people have that same emotional attachment to George Bush - he seems a good citizen and patriotic from their emotional point of view.

Of course he is entitled to his opinion...

But whether or not he is entitled to express it here depends on the rules you've set forth for this site.

I'm of the mindset that this (his opinion) wouldn't even be an issue except that he was being a bit belligerent with it and semi-spamming it across various topics.

If it were my site, I'd give him a time out from posting and tell him that while he is free to express his opinions, not to do it in a manner that is referred to as "going apeshit".

BTW, RIP Robin Williams. Great comedian. I know he was a liberal politically (most of hollywood is) but I never saw anything that overshadowed his work.

Robin Williams...

the habitual feast of the moment. It is amazing how many jump all over the dead before their corpse is cold. The man made me laugh, cry and inspired me to keep a keen eye out for movies with substance and emotion. I know nothing of his politics or his plans to assist governmental agendas. Let the man rest.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Agreed. There should be more

Agreed. There should be more respect for our fellow human beings. However, he was part of the Hollywood establishment and people are pointing that out.

So if I get this correctly

it's because Williams donated to non-libertarian causes and supported Obama? Or did I miss him doing drug busts like Steven Sigal when he was made an honorary cop in Phoenix?

I guess it's not like somebody's liberal aunt cindy died making it a personal thing....Williams was a public figure. Fair game as soon as they step into politics.

What I like about these snippets is exactly that passionate and purist edge. I also like people knowing that freedom isn't homogenous. It always seems to contain multiple viewpoints. We're a group of people that only really ever managed to agree about one thing: Ron Paul.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

He derailed the thread and

He derailed the thread and started flaming. That's just rude.
Every forum admin has a different way of dealing with these things.
We have such passionate people here, I'd hate to boot people for one or two heated exchanges. I may be guilty of some of those myself. :D

Perhaps a private msg warning to please keep it civil and respect the thread. Also, a reminder to read the rules.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

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Indeed. We are all guilty.

Further, I didn't read the thread in it's entirety but being passionate about having sincere and unpopular opinions, does not constitute either flaming or trolling in my mind.

If arguing was a bannable sin, I would not have lasted 2 days here.. :)

If we constantly demand a choir to preach to, we will be bored, lonely, and in violation of our own principles.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Yeah but you never know

your comment is gonna derail a thread until after the fact.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

He made a comment and it was fine

But that wasn't enough... He wasn't satisfied. Look back at the thread. He was trolling...

Séamusín

Trolling??

I've been a member here for 7 years. I visit daily (throughout the day). I have truly supported Ron Paul and the liberty movement. I've refrained (mostly) from posting harsh responses to a lot of silly things I've read here (for years) yet, because I vehemently disagree with rejoicing the life of Robin Williams, I'm a troll? Don't you think that that word is a bit over-used? It has gotten to be like calling people "racist" for disagreeing with liberal positions. Yea, everyone that disagrees is a racist or a troll these days.

Bah!

No

What I was saying is that you made your point, and maybe had two down votes. I actually thought about upvoting your original bah post because you had a good point. And nobody even replied to it until later.

But that didn't satisfy you. You wanted to turn it into a flame war. Call everybody else names because you were the only one to be critical of the man. Telling folks "they need to stop" and calling them "little bitches"...

Yeah, then you started getting downvoted... And you got on your soap box. And when I suggested that it might not be worth it to make an issue out of it, you claimed that I had no right. No right, when you claimed the right to tell everyone that their grief was wrong...

I read you post about being in the military. I spent four years in the gulf. Not four years in the military, four years deployed. Does that make your feelings any less real? Like I said in my first reply:

C'mon man. Is it worth it?

Séamusín

OK.

I don't know what point you're making about "four years in the gulf" but if you're saying "my time in service to my country was better than yours because I was in war", well, I am going to have to laugh and suggest that you didn't read my earlier post very well (seems to be your habit). If you had comprehended what I wrote, I am THANKFUL that I didn't shoot anyone in the mid-east for the war-mongers in charge! Oh, don't get me wrong, when my head was full of mush (while I was in) - I WANTED to go to war. Oh yea baby - let's shoot some enemy and blow some shit up! But, oh bother am I glad (now) that I did not get sent into armed conflict for ALL THE WRONG REASONS! So if you're suggesting that you're more of a soldier than I was because you went to a war zone, more power to you but I'm having a hard time understanding how that could possibly make you more of a solider or, more importantly, more of a man than I am and I absolutely do not believe that it gives your views any more credibility than mine.

However, on to the more important part of your post - I do know that you misrepresented me in it:

You wrote that I said you had no "right" to make an issue of something. I never said nor implied that.

I wrote:

"Who are YOU to tell me enough? I am sorry but you will have to help me understand why I should bother myself to care that you think I should not speak my mind..."

Can you not see the difference between "why should I shut up just because you don't like what I'm saying" and "you have no right to make your point"?

My point was that it is trivial in terms of the feelings

You feel. Just as your resentment of a liberal is trivial in regards to the loss that I feel about Robin Williams.

You can't just will feelings away, and you can't invalidate what is going on in someone else.

Séamusín

Wow

I'm sorry but I really have a hard time understanding what you're trying to say in many of your posts. You wrote: "Just as your resentment of a liberal is trivial in regards to the loss that I feel..." just does not make any sense to me. I think that, maybe, you want to say "how you feel is trivial compared to the sense of loss that overwhelms me WITH regard to the death of Robin Williams". However, you're not doing a very good job of getting that thought across. I believe that it was you that suggested that I might have been drunk last night and that makes me think of something that a popular radio host often says: "If you want to know who they truly are, listen to what they accuse YOU of"...

Regarding the inability to "will feelings away", right - that is not possible. However, you can treat those "feelings" with a dose of truth and rational thought and, sometimes, unless the patient has an allergic reaction to the medicine, it will help cure a case of misplaced mourning.

The reason i am not doing a good job making that point

Is because that's not the point I am trying to make.

But really, this ain't worth it to me.

<3

Séamusín

Of course it is

I MUST be worth it to you to somehow try to lord over me and talk down to me as if I'm an inferior given that you chose to post a couple of times in this thread with comments that were absolutely condescending to me (like calling me a troll, saying I was drunk or belittling my time in the military compared to yours). You seem to have enjoyed the fact that Michael started this public trial in an effort to get the masses to vote to burn me at the stake but, now that the public sentiment is NOT following that direction and I'm asking you to clarify your poorly worded posts (that are DIRECTLY related to ME), you want to break away from the discussion and claim "it's not worth it"?

I say again: BAH!!!

I dont think of you as inferior.

And I don't think your time in the military ought be belittled. As a matter of fact, I respect you for coming to terms with the reality of a warmongering totalitarian state.

I am sorry that I offended you. I shouldn't have let myself. I do like the idea of putting someone out there for discussion who behaves in a way that would garner 20 downvotes. But I am sorry for assuming you were drunk. It was a poor assumption.

Séamusín

Keep him if you really do

Keep him if you really do want a second opinion from me.

If he hasn't broken the forum rules he'll just get down voted and have to deal with it.

Maybe for his sake maybe ask him to chill out a bit. Nobody likes a hot head.

I wouldn't ban WillinMiami

He's certainly entitled to his opinion and is equally entitled to try to sway others toward his way of thinking. The irony/hypocrisy I see here is that he is attempting to deny others that same entitlement by issuing an order, "Stop mourning the loss of this communist!" He has certainly let his emotion take over as well, but that's the nature of opinion at times.

Although I know much of what WillinMiami is throwing out there, I still thought Robin Williams was a comic genius, and will miss him for what we will be denied of his genius in the future by his apparent suicide. Additionally, I think on balance that Robin Williams did far more good with his resources - time, energy, FRNs - than evil.

I think a gentle reminder to live and let live should suffice. While all opinions may not be equal, the right to have one is.

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Well, that is the main thing.

The irony/hypocrisy I see here is that he is attempting to deny others that same entitlement by issuing an order, "Stop mourning the loss of this communist!"

It is beyond irony. The whole point of community is that people allow each other to be. No one has control over anyone else.

I understand that you can't violate the NAP online. But people can sure as hell be unpleasant.

And I agree with this:

I think a gentle reminder to live and let live should suffice. While all opinions may not be equal, the right to have one is.

So would you do me a favor and go give him that gentle reminder? I would greatly appreciate it.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.