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We have completely lost control of "Iraq" which BTW doesn't exist anymore.

Vice news SHOCKINGLY REPORTS that "Falah Mustafa Bakir, the head of foreign relations for the KRG (Kurdish Regional Government), gave an interview to Vice News that contained several quite stunning statements...."

and here they are:

“The political landscape in Iraq has changed…the balance of power has changed…and now we are a neighbor to another emerging state in Iraq: The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Today, Iraq is not our neighbor – ISIS is our neighbor.”

I'm not sure what's so shocking. In a few weeks we saw ISIS/ISIL spring into power, "Kurdistan" become a hard reality, both of these groups acquired a pretty stunning cache of military hardware and oil fields, a "coup" in Bagdhad and heaven only knows what's going on in Kabul but Afghanistan as a nation disappeared a few years ago.

And that's what we have now. Bagdhad is basically all that remains of the former Iraq. Right now it's shiite government is trying to hold on and not become the next poster boys for ISIS brutality.

Suddenly I don't think you are gonna be hearing too much about "bomb Iran" for a while, they are one of the only viable checks on ISIS. But hearing a Peshmurga fighter indicate that they are dealing with a new state isn't shocking, it's pragmatic. Has John Kerry met with ISIS/ISIL leaders in the medeast? He's met with practically everybody else so why not?

Because these people don't want to negotiate, they want to cut his and our heads off. It's gonna be strange buying oil from these people given their propensity to chop people's heads off.

The article posted at zerohedge kinda reinforces this dumbfounded awareness...that there's not a dang thing we can do to stop this. Containment will be the next strategy and it will fail.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/isis-and-coming-esc...



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Rand Paul hits a triple on Iraq/ISIS:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/214919-rand-paul...

“Syria and ISIS are on opposite sides of the war,” he (Rand) continued. “We're now bombing both sides of one war that has spread into another country."

He really needs to say that as an opening on CNN.

Would love to see the look of terror on Wolf Bliter's face if Rand said that on air.

Divide and Ruin

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0991030303/ref=aw_wl_ov_dp_1_3...

Glazebrook has assembled these writings to illustrate a new strategy by U.S., British and other imperialist powers. This new strategy employs proxy military forces to achieve regime change in any country that resists imperialism. Glazebrook shows the brutality of the West’s racist and exploitative foreign policy against the global South, citing examples from Libya, Syria, and elsewhere in the Middle East, Asia and Africa. He explores in detail the role of AFRICOM as an imperialist force operating on that continent. Economic and social issues in Britain also come under scrutiny, plus the role of the media and social movements there. Divide and Ruin argues for new counterweights to the Empire’s plunder in a winning appeal to reason and humanity.

Is it too late...

...to reinstall Saddam?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

This is proof that spreading democracy at the point of a gun...

...doesn't work.

That's because it removes that country's self-determination and seeks to impose the will of the nation trying to "help" the nation they've invaded.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I know you don't think...

...we went in to spread democracy, do you?

A few months ago

they were hell bent on giving all of Syria over to Isis

Remember the push to arm the "rebels". There is no doubt that Isis dominated the "rebels". Yet there was no hesitation on Mccain or Obama's part in pushing for the demise of Syria, with would have meant even more territory for this bunch.

So is the point of all this to create a Caliphate? Is that what McCain, Obama and Graham have in mind, Or, are they just that stupid?

And how it the hell do you spend half a trillion or more a year on Defense and have no answer for 14,000 ill trained thugs in light armor and pickup trucks... with no air cover?

And how the hell do you train an national army for ten years that melts away in front of said 14,000 like hot butter?

That fight is for the people of Iraq. If they don't have the balls or motivation to destroy a bunch like that, then they get what they deserve.

I assure you, I could raise a 30,000 man army of rednecks armed at gun shows that could dispatch that group inside of 30 days.

Not stupid exactly just convinced.

The neocons can't conceive of a world where our sheer military might can't achieve policy objectives. They believed they could control the situation, they have controled most others under the tutilage of Henry Kissinger for decades.

And how the hell do you train an national army for ten years that melts away in front of said 14,000 like hot butter? Easy. Start from zero by removing the entire existing army and replace them with one run by a political and numerical minority. Not a lot of that army had any reason to fight against Sunni insurgency or for Bagdhad. One could easily argue that Iraq was already a divided nation given the Kurdish North so that calls the validity of a national army into question to begin with. Fact is the "Iraqi army" was lately a creation of our policy and it crumbled faster than we created it.

So as far as Iraqis not having the balls or the motivation to destroy "a bunch like that", well, they are that bunch. The northern middle of Iraq isn't being taken over, in their terms they are being liberated. Except for whatever was left of even more minor minority populations like pockets of Christians and Jews that had been there since before the prophet Muhammed stepped foot on the place.

And that group has some pretty hairy weapons now. While we are getting together our next folly to contain them they are scooping up Kurdish held territory.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Regarding US military supremacy

In modern times, it has always relied on air and space superiority, as well as intelligence, which have failed over and over again when arming rebels and overthrowing governments. This was best exemplified when the CIA and State Department likely had Diem assassinated in Vietnam. The US has a horrible track record of overthrowing countries and actually getting anything good out of it, other than trade concessions. Next, air supremacy is good for containment, and so is intelligence and espionage, but it is not going to successfully overthrow a government, if we are talking about the idea of intervention actually working to some nationalist benefit for the US. It seldom results in allies, and only destabilizes a particular nation or region to nullify an rather immediate threat. The whole etymology and linguistic meaning of the modern language when it comes to the US is interesting. "We have lost Iraq". We never really had Iraq. This just symbolizes they won't be our ally, which they never have been. They will not tow the line for the State Department, and may be downright hostile. After WW2, we "lost China". We, "lost Russia". Whether or not it results in all out war is something for the diplomats and a level headed administration. Better hope the neocons don't regain full fledged power.

So let me get this straight-

So let me get this straight- First we give Saddam a bunch of horrific weapons to go to war with Iran then later give him the keys to Detroit (of all places...) but when he decides to sell his oil in Euros we invade the country and destroy the government only to later realize there are two violently opposed sects of Islam fighting for political power but nonetheless we dump a bunch of extra munitions for our new puppet government which is rapidly collapsing and modern weapons are now in the hands of a dangerous terrorist group who we happened to earlier support while they were attempting to overthrow the government of Syria...

And after all this comical insanity we have people who think Ron Paul is a "Dangerous Isolationist".

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

The Bank of England beget the

The Bank of England beget the Federal Reserve.
The British pound beget the U.S. dollar.
The Mesopotamia campaign beget the Iraq War.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/ba...
This is the epitome of entangling alliances.
America became a part of the very colonial system we fought against to obtain our independence.

ISIS, the USA, and Islamic Jihadism

Now that all of the chickens (along with hawks and cuckoo birds) are coming home to roost from the brutal, imperialistic, and unimaginably STUPID foreign policy issuing forth from the DC government-sewer on the Potomac-I am not sure whom to be most concerned about, or frightened of...

The Zionist "neocons" whose dreadful advice played such a major part in instigating these crises, and aggravating them since c. 1979 with the fall of the Shah, the DC government-both the Stupid Party (GOP) and the Democrats (Dumbercrats) who listened to them, and ignored better advice elsewhere, or the Islamic Jihadists who want to kill all of us, partly, as Ron Paul pointed out, because of US and NATO destruction inflicted upon their fellow Moslems, but partly simply because we don't pray to Allah the way they so murderously feel we should!

Where do we go from here, President (or is it "imbecile-in-chief") Obama? Thank you, Neocons, thank you, DC government, and thank you, fanatic Moslem assholes! You ALL left 300 million (largely innocent) people in a bloody mess!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi