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Banning

I see people get banned here, and it's quite the shame. The folks that should get banned come back with 100 different crakowskit names. And it flies.

The last person I saw banned just said "why donate here". The site has nice traffic, should pull a decent sum of google ad rev.

What I suspect is that M Nstrom enjoyed the good times and incurred debt service. So he's asking for money now that the good time are over. I say.............

Post a pic (for real) of your vehicles.



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I would had banned a lot more

I would had banned a lot more people. The hysterical people drove out all the good posters years ago. Even within the Ron Paul community, the people on this forum had a bad reputation.

It's just a fact of Internet communities. As they get bigger and go on longer, they naturally degrade in quality. DP is no exception. It's difficult to run an effective forum due to the combination of anonymity and human emotions.

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I agree

It's difficult to run an effective forum due to the combination of anonymity and human emotions.

I'm still trying to figure it out. It is like the Greshem's Law of the internet. The bad posters force out the good.

But everyone screams and cries when you ban anyone. "Democracy! Democracy!" They cry. "Liberty! Liberty! Freedom of speech!"

I wish I could have done it better.

He's the man.
robot999's picture

I think you've acted fairly Michael

You never know who is who - and what ones motivations truly are on the interwebs. Normally one could follow the principle of: Actions speak louder than words - but on the DP all we have are words.

Thanks for all you do, I'll respect any decision you make!

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

MN keep the faith bro.... do as you are inclined to do.....

Things will get better... they always do. As for banning, you did it to me, with a complaint from Smug (who was having an off day that day). As for property, the DP has always been yours so do what keeps you together. You a class act in my book.

Charles Wood

I went out of business in March of this year. I was in business for just over 2 years. My company grossed two million dollars in that time-frame. I had 20 employees and 5 retail locations. Now, two million dollars might sound like a lot of money but it really isn't when your expenses exceed your income. I had a few employees who couldn't fathom the possibility that my business partner and I were struggling. They assumed quite the same things that you are assuming of Michael.

When I started my business I had about $50k in the bank, an 800 credit score, and no debt. Banks were begging me to use their lending services. Fast forward. I have had my car repossessed. I have no savings. According to banks, I'm the scum of the earth. I'm now scraping it by to finish school(9 more months!).

Customers would praise the product I was selling but at the same time would complain about the price we were charging. I learned a lot in 2 years. People are ungrateful. If you own a business or the Daily Paul people assume that you are rich.

Michael is not our slave. If he personally loses because of this site then he was pretty much enslaved by all of us. At the end of the day I provided a product and my services for free. That's not how the real world works.

I am sad to see this place go but I understand. If Michael was a millionaire because of this website I wouldn't hold it against him either, but he's obviously not.

The days of generating website traffic and striking it big with ad revenue are over. People in web design know this. Websites need a way to convert traffic into money nowadays. Advertisements can generate revenue but it's not the primary means to an end anymore. I do know what I'm talking about, I've built websites for companies for a while now.

Your prospective is pretty ugly my friend. It's because of people like you that he doesn't see the reward in the DP anymore. And I'm not speaking for Michael, he has already stated the description of people that persuade him to throw in the towel. You fit that description.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I'm sorry to hear about your plight

It is the journey of the entrepreneur. Thank you for standing up for me.

I wish you all the best, and I know as well as you that nothing in this world comes easy.

He's the man.

I am with you if you really want to know first

hand how to be broke, go into business for yourself. My credit was about a 720 when I started now I have no idea where it is. Employees tend to think you are getting rich and next thing you know they start to steal because they think you aren't paying them enough and they don't believe you when you are telling them that you aren't even paying yourself. I am about to file bankruptcy and try to start from scratch and keep my recent venture of a hydroponics store going, it is a one person show with very low overhead. A business you can go in solo and not hire any employees is the way to go if you want to go into business. My overhead is about 35 to 40 bucks a day now, I am not profitable yet but I have been reinvesting all the money back into the business. I sure can't go back into the workforce and shoot for that $11 an hour job, that would not be a wage it would be slavery after taxes. I guess I will just keep plugging away until then.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Michael Nystrom's picture

I wish you all the best Tog

I'm sorry to hear about your bankruptcy. It could happen to me any day now. I guess what kills us only makes us stronger. Don't bother sending a contribution to the DP, I will only refund it. You need it more than me.

Keep plugging away Tog. Don't give up. Never give up! I am rooting for you, as is everyone here. I know you can make it. I know that you can find a way.

He's the man.

Michael

but what is it to give, if you don't give when you don't have it? Giving when you have it is no sacrifice. You have sacrificed for all of us, we can do the same for you. I appreciate your kind words and I hope you find some financial stability as well. It is hard to find financial stability in these times. Please accept my donation, and don't refund it. It won't break me to send you some. I would have been fine if I would have been better at saying no in the past. I think I am one of those people pleaser types, and it has cost me. A guy once told me nice guys have skinny kids, there is some reality to that. Please accept my donation, and buy yourself a drink or two on me. Thank you for all you have done for liberty, your contribution to humanity is far greater than any money would ever be. Pat yourself on the back and look how many lives you have changed. If you were dirt poor and homeless you would still be a true success story. God bless you sir.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Stay strong...

I'm in a similar boat.

"A business you can go in solo and not hire any employees is the way to go if you want to go into business."

True. One of my main hurdles is having the manpower to do what needs to be done. All the great ideas and business plans in the world won't help if you can't execute properly.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Michael Nystrom's picture

You to TJ

Stay strong. Keep the faith. You will make it.

He's the man.

On Banning

All this talk of banning sends my mind directly to this clip. Substitute the fruit for the DP. I suppose Kramer could just go grow his own, like you could create your own site. Why ask for pics of the man's vehicles and not for a full disclosure of his all his financials? Jeez. I also appreciate the humor of the numerous cudnoski name variations, its great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diUdRy2YL4

Michael Nystrom's picture

Anyway charles, you did your work

Like Judas Iscariot.

You reminded me why I really don't like this place sometimes, why it is killing me, and why I need to get away from it, ultimately.

You sacrificed yourself to give me that message, and for that I'm grateful.

You're wrong about me living high on the hog, though. I told you what happened, below, out of anger and defensiveness. But I'll tell you what really happened.

What really happened is that revenue has been falling with traffic ever since the beginning of the year. Of course, everything peaked in 2012. The site used to make enough that I could pay a system administrator, a programmer, and a moderator. And one by one, I had to let them go. First the system admin. Then the moderator. And I'm hanging on barely with a programmer. And there's a lot of problems.

I saw an old house in disrepair today, and it reminded me of the Daily Paul. You've seen them: Paint peeling, moss growing out of the gutters that are rusting. There's a lot of work to do on this old house.

And then, at the end of June, the advertising money just fell off a cliff. I know, you're complaining, there's advertising all over the place, he should be paying the bills. And then off another cliff at the end of July. So over the past two months, income has fallen by 2/3, which is a hard hit to absorb.

I wasn't prepared for it.

So I had a money bomb. What else should I have done?

All these people talking about how great it is - what a great site it is. Well, let's just put it to the test. Is it really that great? Great enough that you'd actually pay something?

But is it really? The essence is gone. The purpose is gone. People hang around here now out of habit. Chat, where you hang out is mostly a dungeon of cynicism and snark. The whole site is broken.

And yet, I'm still attached to it, as are many. Even you folks down in chat, snarking and capping on me, speculating. It is a special place.

But whe the revenue fell, my first reaction was to go back to old habits: Money bomb! Really, it was just a reflex, driven by fear. And we all know what fear leads to.


http://youtu.be/kFnFr-DOPf8

I don't want to go to the darkside, and I don't want to suffer. And the right thing to do is to express my love to you. So charles, I just wanted to say sorry for banning you, and thanks for the slap.

Sometimes people need a slap to get back to reality, like this:

http://youtu.be/TMfPJT4XjAI?t=2m43s

BTW, Smudge is good people. What Smudge did for you when you got banned was nice. His actions touched me. He has the spirit. You're lucky to have a friend like him.

He's the man.

I waited till this popped

I waited till this popped back up to reply, as to no draw attention...

To keep my site rolling, before google ads shut me off, I asked my members to post links back to my site. Although it wasn't a site with any type of news content, so that didn't work well.

Change the rules of the DP Originals so that if you (user) posts it, user put up some traffic links somewhere else on a different site. Voluntary of course, but it will get more hits.

I don't really do that much SEO (or none anymore), but generally it worked that way. Back links. Even if search engines have changed since then, you still will get more traffic. Traffic is ad money.

We hang out in the dark chat dungeon of the daily paul because it's humorous, doesn't take much bandwidth, people are good. Also, you can leave it open and still work a desk/computer job with no issues.

Apology accepted, but you didn't have to apologize. Accept mine please for I could have "slapped" you privately and avoided this.

Blah.

I just bought an old house in disrepair! LOL!

Seriously.
Kismet, and well met again, old friend.
I am up to my knees in farming right now, but I will get you a ppic of the bees up as soon as I can. Seems even with "Beekeeping for idiots" idiots can screw up... I put the box on the wrong spot. The bees just rolled with it, and are creating this amazing free-form comb... a work of art from my screw up. Where there is love, a way will be made.

Thanks, and I look forward to the winter when I have more free time!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Fishy

I would like to see a picture of the bees.

He's the man.

1 week I'll be back in tube land!

Still getting internet time in ten minute blocks - lol! Pics coming though - I keep marveling at how they took my screw up and made it beautiful!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

... she's in the house !!!

Welcome back, paul4won ( I'm old school). We've been missing the culture you propagate. ;-)

TwelveOhOne's picture

((((((((((fishyculture!!!))))))))))

Great to see you back here. Love and stuff.

Edit: and it's even your old account which I still am a "friend" of! How cool is that? :)

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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OMG, it's the moon!

You just bought an old house? Is it far from your previous? Did you go to the Braun Brothers Reunion last weekend?

Anyway, nice to see you. :D I hope you had an enjoyable year away from DP. I look forward to bee pics...

How offensive...

You think Nystrom is making a "Killing" on this site...Wow...and you want photos of his vehicles? To prove he is not making money....You my friend have a very distorted view of what this entire site is about. So let me get this straight...you think MN has made millions from this site...and has been spending his millions that he made from this site, and now that it is 7 years or more in he has pissed it all away so he needs a little financial boost to get him out of his bad spending habits and debt. HAHAHAHAHAHAA....that is hilarious... I am offended by your post. So if I post a picture of my cars.....and in your eyes...if they are better than yours, than what judgement do you pass?
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I did find a picture of Mr. Nystroms DP headquarters though...
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/huge-yacht-1.jpg

haha, nice you're a practicing politician!

"So if I post a picture of my cars.....and in your eyes...if they are better than yours, than what judgement do you pass?"

I'm not trying to start anything, but you are serious here?

First things first: Is anyone here giving you money or entrusting you with their money? yes or no?

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Ahhh...

No...
I do not understand your comments.

WYSIWYG

My choice of how much to contribute financially [and even content] is ultimately disconnected from Michael's financial lifestyle. My choice to buy a SpongeBob video at Walmart has nothing to do with whether or not Sam Walton has a private jet.

It might be different if I owned stock in Walmart. If I were receiving financial dividends from the Daily Paul all this would be a different matter, but as it stands financial proceedings here are as simple as choosing a DVD.

However, some things are different here from Walmart. This comment actually has me thinking of not elevating my subscription level but cancelling it early. :(

jrd3820's picture

When you go to the grocery store

And buy whatever it is you need, do you ask the owner to show you a picture of his car to justify the profits from the transaction?

Doesn’t matter what your answer is here, we both know you don’t do that. You either agree on the price of the things you want/need or you go someplace else. The price here is free. No one is being forced to pay anything.

It is clear what has happened here. Nystrom has decided his creation and his property are worth $3,000 a month. Now we as consumers either come up with the $3,000 a month or we go someplace else.

For everyone in the chat so focused on his lifestyle, once again; his lifestyle is irrelevant. You are forced to pay politicians and they are supposed to work for you. You are not being forced to pay Nystrom, and he is not here to work for you.

It does sound a bit liberal of a lot of ppl to tell him how much he is allowed to make on his own creation, and to demand to see his vehicle to decide if he is living within the means you approve of. It also sounds a bit liberal to tell ppl what they should charge for their services, how much of that should be profit, and what he is allowed to do with that profit.

Are there any regulations and permits you would like to force him use and apply for also to keep this site running?

So once again; it is really simple. No one is forcing anyone to pay anything. This is the price the owner of this creation and property has decided to charge and if the payment cannot be made we are all free to go elsewhere and or set up competing sites, which I have been waiting almost 3 years to see happen and I’m sure Nystrom has been waiting longer because with as many ppl who say they could do this so much better and it wouldn’t cost nearly as much; no one has yet done that.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Oh hi there :)

and oh yeah, we're playing Anadrome and stuff. I don't MEAN to forget! :D

All gone.

Like I said below, karma is a Bitch.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Hmmmm

Why get so upset over a request for voluntary donations?!! Based on the users of this site, Michael seems to be well respected and held in pretty damn high regard. If the users thought he was a lying POS, this site wouldn't have the following that it does.

And why drag Chris into it? He's funny as hell... and his name changes are funny, too.

He's not forcing you to give. It's called LIBERTY!

You're conjecture is preposterous.

When did common sense become a super power?