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Field Trip to Twitch.tv

This is the new big thing:


Look at this endless supply of games. It scrolls on forever!

A completely different world. This is where the young people hang these days.

Look at her! A young innocent, playing dress up in her room at her parents house, yet sharing it with the entire world.

It is basically softcore porn. All the promise of the internet has been reduced to this. It is how all social media takes off - by becoming the booty call of the internet.

Oh! And look what it says on her page:

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To each their own..

Free market will allow those to do whatever they choose to do. This isn't hurting anyone and if you don't like it, you never have to visit that site again. That's the beauty of freedom. I find it a bit odd to go out of your way to condemn people for their non-violent, non-criminal actions. That's like the antithesis of the golden rule.

Surely there's more productive things that could be done; perhaps utilizing this for the sake of promoting freedom. But I ask..if we reclaim this country and go back to the way it was supposed to be, do you think sites like this wouldn't exist? We'd have more economic freedom, with more time to spend doing things we enjoy instead of working more hours and having less fun. I believe there'd be even more of them ranging in different topics. Without censorship, there'd be a lot more varieties of content to choose from.

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I really wasn't condemning

I was just observing. Observing what we're up against, in terms of trying to educate "the masses."

I don't think the masses want to be "educated." They just want to play. They want safety and security so that they can play. And who can blame them?

Which is funner? Twitch.tv or Politics?

He's the man.

I went..

lasted all of thirty seconds, and left saying what the fuck?

This is what Justin.TV

This is what Justin.TV evolved into.

I don't play video games and despise phone games, but then I think have I just replaced them with other distractions?

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.

So fight fire with fire..

Maybe we should all dress up in "sexy" founding fathers outfits and webcam ourselves playing on the innerwebs while researching "freedom" topics and hanging out here on The DP. Wouldn't that be super sexy!

Cosplay is not softcore porn...

It is an art form. I didn't watch the whole video, but chances are she worked really hard on that outfit and was showing it off to her fans. Did she get a lot of viewers because she's an attractive female? Almost certainly. But that's not avoidable and it's no reason to condemn females from participation in the culture. The majority of Twitch or even her channel is not focused on this, you've just chosen to focus on it.

Gaming is a growing culture with a lot of plus sides, the stigma is rotting away as people see that competition of the mind is as or more impressive than competition of the body.

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Thanks for the info on cosplay.

I first became aware of cosplay in Taiwan. It is big there. I guess it originates in Japan?

It is all new to me.

I didn't mean to condemn it. I guess it came across that way. I'm interested in what is going on with technology, and how humans use it. In the movie "For Liberty" there is a guy explaining what "Meetup.com" is. It was totally new at the time!

I just focused on it because I randomly came across it.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting.


He's the man.


"the stigma is rotting away as people see that competition of the mind is as or more impressive than competition of the body."

That's awesome! Luckily we don't have to wait and see what happens to our physical selves when our lives revolve around playing video games instead of getting real exercise.

BTW..I'm pretty sure there is a very small minority who are "impressed" with video gaming abilities. Kind of like that "Bronyfest" group where the boys just love my little ponies. The circle is very small.

The stench of intolerance..

...is strong in this one.

You are clueless and an

You are clueless and an asshole. Ain't no one got time for that!

"very small minority who are impressed with video gaming"

Meet the future! This event sold out quicker than the Superbowl.

Dota with Sonya :D

Bigger than you might ever imagine...

But seriously, aren't you

But seriously, aren't you just more than a little envious? I mean, the idea is so obvious, right? Gaming has always been a pretty lonely activity. This created a way to bring people together...like what the Daily Paul does. I cannot begrudge them for delivering something people want. That is capitalism in action, which is part and parcel of the whole freedom package.

Maybe I'm confused

but I didn't take his comment as envy, but rather disgust. This world will never change when our priorities are so completely and totally fucked.

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For serving sh!t that you know people will eat?

No, I'm not. I suppose if I focused my energy in that direction, I could come up with some kind of BS idea like that. I think that if I really applied my MBA in marketing, I could serve up some really stinky sh!t but get people to eat it.

I cannot begrudge them for delivering something people want.

For taking advantage of the dumbing down of America for capitalistic gain instead of trying to reverse that course?

Yes, I do begrudge that.

I believe we need to strive to be better than that. So far I've done my best, but my best isn't good enough.

I need to try harder.

He's the man.

I actually really surprised

I actually really surprised about that attitude, Mike. You know as well as anyone that markets work because it takes "two to tango". If a "seller" has a "buyer" then the market (which also includes ideas) works.

Look at Huffington Post, which is a great example of what kinds of compromises must be made to have a functioning and profitable enterprise on the web. Ninety-five percent of their site is devoted to sex, boneheaded stories and celebrities, HOWEVER that 95% pays for the 5% of their core journalism.

Not to dwell on the past, but perhaps sections here on the DP devoted to celebrities, entertaining videos, fashion, and so forth would've gone a long way toward paying bills. These are the compromises that must be made, I suppose.

Look at Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh (both poor examples to emulate, I know), but they shuck and jive with the best of them selling all kinds of trash. That's the game.

Don't paint yourself into a corner by ignoring the "stinky shit"... The "stinky shit" can get you paid, can help grow your audience and all that other stuff. I know you are no longer interested in running the site, but life is nothing if not a series of compromises and it won't end here.

All the best.

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Markets don't exist in a vaccuum

Yeah, yeah, I understand about how markets work, but how do you get buyers and sellers at this level? It is all part of the "problem" imho. Part of the dumbing down of us.

Not to dwell on the past, but perhaps sections here on the DP devoted to celebrities, entertaining videos, fashion, and so forth would've gone a long way toward paying bills. These are the compromises that must be made, I suppose.

Yeah, but wouldn't that defeat the whole point? I kind of think it would. Maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe there is a place for that. Maybe I'm too worried about the impact that the "stinky shit" will have on the "world." Maybe I'm not a good libertarian that way. Maybe I shouldn't worry about that and just make it all about me.

Me! Me! Me! What ever I need to do to make money, even if that means putting pictures of porn on the Daily Paul!

How about that? Would that be better?

He's the man.

Introducing porn takes a web

Introducing porn takes a web site into an area I'm sure you'd rather not go, but as far as food, celebrity, video and other lighter fare...I think people here are already introducing a lot of that stuff on their own. It's up to you to monetize those interests, isn't it?

Also, to someone on the "outside" it appears as if people are always making stupid choices. That's a free market. Give people what they want and they'll reward you.

I came so close to doing it. So close.

I was at this art college as a student and one of the things this college was known for was it's excellent, world class ballet school. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE WORLD and I was a young geek so it was right there in front of me.

The idea was to put up flyers for nude models and the deal was this:

1. If you are interested in modeling, contact me. You will never see me, we will never meet.

2. A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER (not some lunch box slime head) will show up and you do a shoot, NOBODY WILL EVER LAY A SINGLE FINGER ON YOU and you get paid in cash on the spot after the shoot is done and NOBODY WILL EVER CONTACT YOU, you want to do it again, you contact us.

3. We will anonymize you. We will protect your identity. Nobody is ever finding out your real name, address, phone number, email, whatever.


The one thing I never figured out is how the heck am I supposed to explain to my poor partents where all this money is coming from. My father was a Deacon of the church for heaven's sakes. The poor guy would have had a heart attack on the spot if he found out.

So I took a pass on a massive fortune. And I often think about that. And it's not like I don't appreciate the actual artwork either, I love looking at beautiful women. I do so every time I go to the supermarket.

Gods I love supermarkets.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

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A Tale of Algorithms Gone Wild

I ran across this story last night and thought you might like it:

I Liked Everything I Saw on Facebook for Two Days. Here’s What It Did to Me


If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

" if I really applied my MBA

" if I really applied my MBA in marketing, I could serve up some really stinky sh!t but get people to eat it." :Dhaha

Your post made me think of this


or this


You are wrong. Work smarter

Never harder. Especially with your grand designs. The devil is in the details, when you rise above find a much better view. Perspective is very important.

Try to walk outside of Nystrom's shoes for awhile, be somebody else for a day if you know what I mean.

Some people are content with working and gaming, that's all they do. They have no lofty ambition.

It's been like that through much of human history, running to and fro like a mass of tadpoles swimming in a pond.

What does twitch have, what makes it different; stand out? Interactivity. How can you apply that to your own ideas?

Ideamaking has nothing to do with working harder, once the design is formulated then you can switch gears to building.

Also, when your emotional response to something you are passionate about turns negative, definitely step back for a breath.

Do you think you've hit a wall?

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That is very good advice, Jungleboogie

Try to walk outside of Nystrom's shoes for awhile, be somebody else for a day if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I hear you on that one. My perspective is extremely limited. I'm way to close to the DP to see what it's true potential is.

Great post. Thank you. Much thinking here needs to be done.

I can see from the outpouring that this place is important - more important than I knew.

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The Daily Paul has hit a wall of sorts. The inspiration (Ron) is gone. There is a default "inspiration" waiting in in the wings to take its place (Rand). Unfortunately, that doesn't inspire me.

I can't really help it. It just doesn't. And so then what?

A wall?

Kind of. But, thanks to this outpouring I am inspired once again. The Beatles went through it. They got so far from where they started they forgot where they were. They got lost, and they wanted to get back. "Get Back to where you once belonged."


It was never about money, but it became about money. As it drifted away from Original Intention, it became about money, because it was clear that the original intent was not going to be met.

If the original intent was not going to be met, then just go ahead and become a 'twitch.tv' for the Liberty Movement. Entertainment. After all, everything is voluntary, right? I'm not forcing anyone to come here.

But there is more. And that is what I need to go back to.

Original Intent.

Because intention is cause.

He's the man.

Everybody thinks it's web mastry

Mike, all I imagine is utterly continuous BITCHING. Do this, do that, ban him, ban her, I hate this person, people are like "it's just a website, what's the big deal?" but that's before you add us mamby-pampy load of the greatest whiners this world has ever seen.

I honestly don't know how you put up with it for this long. I would have lost my cookies a few years ago.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

You're right, Mike.

You're right, Mike. Expectations are key. If the site does not fulfill your interests, you should do whatever you need to do to be inspired. Whatever you do, please don't get chained to a desk all day, you'll regret it. Find a new way forward!

Once in a while I beta test games.

I beta tested Everquest Next "Landmark", which is not so much a game per se, as it is a tool for creating content to be used in the upcoming Everquest Next MMORPG. I actually heard about Twitch through that, because the EQ Next developers were holding round tables and posting their vids on there. I quickly got bored of Landmark, and have only been back to twitch a couple times. Never created an account there or anything. I didn't know it was that bad, but the only thing remotely close to social networking I do is here.

Prior to the 1st Ron Paul R3volution, I was a huge EQ junky. Since the start of the R3volution, I hardly game at all anymore. I guess learning about what's going on in RL (real life) I lost my drive to engross myself into a reality that is not real. When EQ Next comes out, or goes into beta, I'll probably try it out, being a longtime fan of the franchise, but I will never live to guild raid again. My days of peeing in Gatorade jugs with pizza boxes stacking up beside me are long over. If you have never seen it, watch the South Park World of Warcraft episode. Really funny!