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Police: Teen Fatally Shot By Ferguson Officer Was Suspect In Convenience Store Robbery

It appears that Mr. Brown had committed a strong armed robbery when captured and killed by police. Any thoughts?

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/15/state-troopers-walk-s...



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Dorian Johnson probably was

Dorian Johnson probably was not arrested because he didn't rob the store, video shows him their but it appears from the video that he didn't take part in the robbery, in fact it looks like he is trying to prevent it slightly, he gave back to the store clerk the stuff that Michael was taking.

Also will have to look it up are you sure these are the same stores, the one that was looted and burned and the one of the video that these two were in, could be two different places?

A Hypothetical

If you and I go into a bank for whatever reason, and I decide to rob that bank, you had better believe that you would be arrested for robbing the bank too. Especially if you go on TV saying you were with me and we hadn't done anything wrong. At that point, you've become an accessory in two different ways.

why would I be held responsible

for YOUR actions????

Ferguson Market is not the store that burned

Quick Trip is the market that burned.

Brown and Johnson robbed the Ferguson Market, then walked down the street, the middle of the street. The cop confronted them in front of Quick Trip.

Both Ferguson Market and Quick Trip (as well as many other places) were looted that night by the "protesters," they tried to burn Ferguson Market, but didn't succeed. They were successful at burning down Quick Trip.

Dorian Johnson

At the very least, he is an accessory after the fact.

DEFINITION

Someone who assists another 1) who has committed a felony, 2) after the person has committed the felony, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the felony, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment. An accessory after the fact may be held liable for, inter alia, obstruction of justice.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/accessory_after_the_fact

What evidence do you have

What evidence do you have that he helped him after the fact, doesn't appear that he assisted in any way. Videos make it appear like he was actually doing the opposite putting back items.

As for the hypothetical if I don't know your going to be a dipshit, I am not responsible for you being one, even if I am near you when you do so. I am not resposible for your dumb action, even if I am your friend and with you when you do it.

His statements are not about the incident at the fergusen market but of the shooting with the cop, in which he claims they were not doing anything but walking down the street at the time to news media which as of yet has not been contested, your not obligated to spill your life story to the news media. According to police statements the cop wasn't confronting the two regarding the robbery, but because they were walking in the street.

Being near someone and knowing someone is not assisting someone.

Ferguson Market is the real victim here

Ferguson Market is the store from which Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson stole a box of cigars and assaulted the clerk last Saturday. Then in the riot that followed, Ferguson Market was looted, and afterward, the looters attempted to set the market on fire.

"About 200 protesters clashed with police at the height of the disturbance at the Ferguson Market, where they began looting. Police said they tried to set the store on fire."

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Another-night-of-protests-vio...

Maybe...

Maybe it is time that America grew up and got some adult perspective on whether dead citizens, murdered no matter how you slice it, and millions of dollars in property damage and as much more in policing and other administrative costs (including the inevitable criminal and civil trials) is the RATIONAL way to handle the theft of a $25 box of cigars! For god sakes people, theft can be written off as a business cost and covered by insurance. This is insane. In NO other country in the world do police undertake high speed chases and Wild West shoot outs that put all of us at risk over petty crimes. Why? Because it is an irrational and stupid response to the problem, one the libertarians should vigorously oppose. For those who doubt Rand Paul's bona fides, just look to his positions on such matters to see who he really is.

Value of Cigars

The total value of the box of cigars is listed as $48.99

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236905827/Ferguson-Incident-Report

People get what they deserve

"For god sakes people, theft can be written off as a business cost and covered by insurance."

That is a pretty dumb statement. No insurance is going to pay a $25 theft to a business - can you imagine the cost of no-deductible business insurance? Also "writing off" something does not make it go away. In fact if your not making money, it amounts to less than nothing.

1) I suggest we find out why a cop felt the need or authority to shoot this guy and decide whether he is guilty.

2) Also did an 18 year old feel it was ok to rob a store in his own city. If so, no wonder there are food deserts. Who would want to run a store in an area where their property is stolen?

You have to wonder what kind of person would take a police job, a shti job, in a shti town that is hostile to cops. I'm going to guess a martyr, a desperate person or one with an authority complex.

You get what you deserve.

Brown assaulted the store clerk

St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch gave the following definition for strong-arm robbery:

"The use of physical force in a robbery. If someone is stealing, and another person makes an attempt to stop them, and then physical force is used to complete the act that is strong-arm robbery.

It's also called 'robbery in the 2nd degree,' and there is no weapon other than physical force used.

If a weapon is used in a robbery, then the charge would be 'robbery in the 1st degree.'"

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/strong-arm-r...

I Have Some Questions About the Incident

Here is the the closed circuit video capturing the confrontation between the suspect, Michael Brown and an employee of the QuikTrip convenience store located at 9420 W Florissant Ave. (see: http://globalgrind.com/2014/08/13/ferguson-police-department... ).

The first time Brown can be seen on the surveillance tape is when he enters the store at 11:52:59 on August 9, 2014. However this ABC report states the 911 call came in at 11:51am which is before Brown first appeared (see: http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-police-detail-moments-mich... ).

The time is also confirmed in the Ferguson police report on page 2 (see: https://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/doc-aug-15-20... ).

1. The 911 call records are timestamped so how could the 911 call come in before Brown showed up at the store?

Dorian Johnson accompanied Brown and was near his home at 2928 Caddiefield Road when accosted by the police. According to this article here (see: http://mediaanarchist.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/unarmed-teen-... ), Brown was shot at 2:15pm on that day, almost two hours after the robbery.

2. The distance between Caddiefield Road and the QuikTrip location on W Florissant Ave. is about 1/2 mile, a walking distance of about 10 minutes. What were Brown and Johnson doing all that time and why did it take the cops so long to find them?

Oh, and...

Was any stolen merchandise recovered?

This doesn't negate

the main point of the story:

The Officer deemed himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

The kid was still unarmed during the confrontation: advantage cop.

Yes: if the KID committed a crime, albeit with a weapon, he should stand trial. STAND TRIAL.

C'mon now, Daily Paul: let's keep our eyes on the ball before we tear down the Stadium.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Totally agree about his day in court...

Thug or not; however, the original story seems to be following the story line like the one presented concerning Trayvon Martin...It will be interesting to see how this plays out. One thing sure, the police brutality and implementation of the police state can't be over-looked.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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If in fact he assaulted an

If in fact he assaulted an officer, or lunged for his weapon, he is essentially giving them permission to defend themselves, with lethal force if they deem necessary. Yes he was 18 years old, but also was reportedly 6'4, 240 lbs. (correct me if i've got that wrong). I'm no fan of police brutality, but when you're that large, and you assault a police officer, you have to know that you are crossing a very dangerous line.

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I absolutely respect your opinion, MJ, but

multiple witnesses have already said that:

"Brown had his hands in the air and yelled, "I don't have a gun!" "

http://www.businessinsider.com/eye-witness-account-of-michae...

Brown was resisting arrest by pulling away from the officer, so I'm not sure how the Officer has any ground when he says, "Brown lunged for my weapon."

And it really doesn't help that Ferguson (for whatever reason) doesn't use dash cams on their patrol cars. I can't tell you how valuable those things are, for both sides.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Compare these photos

Surveillance video caught a strong arm robbery at a Ferguson convenience store, four still shots from the video can be seen here (pay special attention to the suspect’s clothing):
http://www.kmov.com/news/slideshows/PHOTOS-Surveillance-imag...

Compare the suspect's to the clothing of shooting victim Michael Brown:
http://theobamacrat.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/mike-brown.j...

Maybe, maybe not...

The shoes look distinctly different to me. But here are a couple of critical legal points. On any hot summer day, in a poor community where everyone shops from the same stores, where peer pressure is amplified due to street culture, the probability of people wearing extremely similar clothing is very high; and the pictures confer nothing other than the fact that an altercation took place. At this point we have only the shopkeeper's words regarding what occurred, what instigated it, and who was involved. It has also been my experience having worked overseas for periods in my life, that much of the world is very homogenous and bigoted in ways that Americans find positively 18th century. If this other individual is the typical immigrant shopkeepers that he appears to be, not only might he see all Black people as looking alike, but he might also harbor racial bigotries, and most crucially, have attitudes about shopkeeping, and what people can and cannot do in stores, that is widely divergent from the American norm. In short, as is always the case, eye witness testimony is at best unreliable and in this case may be more so.

There were two witnesses in the store

FTA:

A partially redacted witness report in the packet given to media – which did not state who provided the information – said that a woman inside the store came out of the bathroom during the altercation.

She told police she saw Brown tell the store employee that he and his companion wanted several boxes of cigars from behind the counter.

“As [redacted employee name] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to [Dorian] Johnson who was standing behind Brown,” the report stated. Johnson has said in interviews that he was with Brown when he was killed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15...

Also, in the video from the second camera angle, you can see someone who looks like Dorian Johnson accompanying someone who looks like Michael Brown.

DING DING DING DING DING

Looks like the same guy to me.

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Looks like it's the same guy

Looks like it's the same guy to me. Especially when you look at the sandals he's wearing.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.