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"Experimental Drug" Nano Silver used to treat Ebola.

Seriously, I can't even!!! When I heard this on the news this morning I nearly lost it. Even my wife was speechless. I hope the proponents of natural remedies on this site get to revel in a bit of vindication, especially those who have touted the benefits of Colloidal Silver.

I sure hope these Ebola victims don't turn into smurfs :)

"Though Nigerian authorities are hopeful, little is known about Nano Silver. A Nigerian contagious-disease expert, Dr. Simon Agwale, said Nano Silver had proven effective against viruses, bacteria, and parasites. "It may be also a source of a cure" for Ebola patients, Dr. Agwale said."

http://online.wsj.com/articles/nigerian-ebola-patients-to-be...

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Should this outbreak get out of hand worldwide,

here is some preventative information that was developed after the Influenza epidemic in the early 1900's.

http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/Derry.flu.iodine...

While this article applies to influenza, both it and Ebola are caused by a virus, so I would think this would have some application.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

If this was patentable it would already

This would be all over the place

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OR,

How or why there is a patent on marijuana for the great affects is has on cancers,and other things?
Now,guess who holds that patent.
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Great system, make & share with entire family

Never buy Pre-Made again, create either Ionic or Colloidal; learn which to use for what and deliver systems.
Comment from brochure: "Spanning well over a 100 years of research... works against viruses, pathogens, fungus and bacteria... used in hospitals for burns"
Recommended by Mike @ Natural News and G. Edward Griffen @ Realityzone

http://silverlungs.com/

(no, I am not a Rep.)

Some more info-

A New Wonder Drug!!

Never mind I first found out about it 30 years ago in my fathers Pharmacopeia dated 1938. It is NEW!! And there will be patents and prescriptions required, because it is NEW and we have to pay the blessed Pharmatutes to develop this NEW miracle cure for us!

And now then, let us talk about "intrinsic value" of precious metals. Silver can save your life. Gold looks pretty in a nose ring... lol!

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Fishy!!!

SO good to have you back! Son of a gun, I think my jaw just hit the floor!

Nano Silver > colloidal silver

Nano silver will not turn you into a smurf. You CAN consume higher volumes of nano silver than colloidal silver with no consequence.

Nano silver is also more potent than colloidal silver.

I'm not saying colloidal silver is bad; but I would choose Nano silver over colloidal silver if given the choice.

Did you notice the smiley face ?

I thought that would denote well enough that I was being facetious. It was tongue in cheek, I was poking fun at the medical establishments scare tactics regarding silver. Get it ?

It's true though... You WILL

It's true though...

You WILL have colloidal silver deposition throughout your body if you overdose on colloidal silver. That is NOT true regarding nano silver.

Please...

You're still confused.
I wish people would get this straightened out once and for all.
It's NOT NANO vs. COLLOIDS...
It's IONS vs. COLLOIDS (NANO is simply the SIZE of the Colloid)
Here
Cheers,
G.

Actually there's 3!

Nano vs colloid vs ion

And you're right that nano is simply the size. But it makes a drastic difference as you will not turn blue if you consume nano.

to that I cannot say...

but the ION is the 'smallest' particle of silver.
It doesn't make it 'better'.
It's is simply 'unstable'... missing an electron from it's outer shell.
The ION may, in fact, be very well effective against bacteria and virus.
The PROBLEM is HOW to get it into the bloodstream to do its job.
Once swallowed, it simply becomes a molecule.. a metallic salt.
Like 'free chlorine' in a swimming pool... it's only effective against bacteria as long as it's 'available' and not tied up as a molecule.
Same with silver.
What makes the COLLOID 'better' is that it is elemental silver and stable... it has its electrons and is not 'looking' to bind with other elements (in your stomach) and may be swallowed without hindering its ability to enter the bloodstream and do its job.

I posted a LOT more as to WHY on the link I gave
but simply:
If your making (or buying) silver in solution...
DC makes ions...
and AC (likely) makes colloids..
personally... I think using/marketing the term 'nano' is just hyperbole... but the important point to remember is:
COLLOID is a stable form
ION is an unstable form (You're better off using it sublingually and keeping it in your MOUTH as long as you can... or VAPORIZING and inhaling... the point is to get it INTO your bloodstream and bypassing the stomach.)
Cheers,
G.

Agreed!

I agree with the first half of your post 100%. Although ion version is somewhat good, it doesn't work as well as colloid as you clearly explained.

Nano is not marketing. It is the size of the particle. Making nano particles is no joke. It's a very high tech process.

The second half of your post regarding production of AC vs DC--I have to plead ignorance as I don't know anything about producing it using voltages. I don't know any details about producing it--period.

But nano version has demonstrated the most potent killing power.

DC vs AC

So that it's not left to 'magic'...

A serious discussion would have to address WHY AC would create a 'different' environment than DC, allowing for the creation of COLLOIDS and not simply IONS.

You're not getting SOMETHING from 'nothing'.
You are 'deteriorating' a silver rod in both in cases.
What and Why could they be different?

As I said, DC electrolysis pulls electrons from the Silver anode and the atom (minus the electron) releases from the rod and becomes an I0N. The 'missing' electron is deposited onto the cathode.

Why would AC be different?

What is AC doing actually?
It is reversing polarity... very quickly.
The electrons are being pulled in one direction..
then instantly they are being pulled in the other.

I believe this 'soup' of free electrons and momentary IONS allow for the formation of colloids..
i.e.
the IONS can gain BACK their 'missing' electrons to form colloids WHILE in suspension and separated from their rods.

No magic.

Here an AC method to generate colloids

http://youtu.be/asRwMp14vzo

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Before

I even attempted to make my own silver solution,I read that AC current
created particles too big to be absorbed into the body,and the smaller the DC current that was used created smaller silver particles,known as colloidal silver. Then to my way of thinking,the body doesn't run on AC current,so DC current would be better for the intake of the silver solution.
Using the method I stated about how I make it,I can shine a laser light into the jar and see the silver floating in the water,mine turns a golden color.
I went to the site you offered me,but it seemed they couldn't even agree on the color,but they did offer a site where they were selling their own product
which was almost red in color.
colloid Also called colloidal solution, colloidal suspension. a mixture having particles of one component, with diameters between 10 –7 and 10 –9 metres, suspended in a continuous phase of another component. The mixture has properties between those of a solution and a fine suspension
This is what I see with the laser light...silver particles suspended in the water the reference above was dictionary.com

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

as I said...

there is nothing smaller , as a particle, than an ion...
and DC current makes ions... Ag+ ions.... AC current does too.

AC absolutely makes a HUGE percentage of ions.

Particles of Silver...Colloids... can 'survive' the ORP environment of the stomach acids whereas ions cannot; they seek to, and will form into molecules of metallic salts before they reach the bloodstream. This is basic chemistry.

You WANT the 'available' metal in your bloodstream and if the ions can GET THERE, they will do the job of killing bacteria and virus, same as observed in petrie dishes in the labs. Like I said, the problem to solve is HOW to get them there... i.e. sublingual or inhalation will work best.

For reference as to WHAT we're discussing...
How small is a nanometer?
If a human hair was a MILE wide... a nanometer is the size of a pea within that mile.

Silver atoms
A single silver atom can be considered to be an atomic sized particle of metallic silver.

It is the smallest size of silver matter that exists.
The diameter of a single silver atom is 0.288 nm.

While it is theoretically possible to have a particle of metallic silver that consists of a single atom, in practice particles are much larger and consist of many atoms.

Just for reference,
a particle one nanometer in diameter would consist of 31 silver atoms,
a 5 nm diameter particle would be about 3900 atoms
a 20 nm diameter particle would contain about 250,000 silver atoms.

The particle size typically observed in colloidal silver has been measured in the range of 5 to 200 nanometers.

Silver ions
A silver ion is a single atom of silver that is missing one electron from its outer orbit. The diameter of a silver ion is 0.230 nm, which is slightly smaller than an atom owing to one less electron.

a silver ion is positively charged because it lacks an electron.

Silver particles found in colloidal silver are negatively charged, not positive like the ions.

When silver is dissolved into an ionic state, it is no longer metallic silver. It is not visible even under the most powerful microscope and it does not reflect light. Even a solution saturated with Ag+ions has no Tyndall effect, but a colloidal Ag does, even in concentrations as little as 0.1 ppm.

So simply ask the question: can I 'see' anything, any tint? any reflection if I shine a light through the solution... or a laser pointer?
If you CAN...
you have PARTICLES of metallic silver (as well as ions).

BOTH DC and AC generate solutions where these effects are observed therefore BOTH generate particles as well as ions.

Which is better... which is 'smaller'... I can't say but the BENEFITS and PROPERTIES of metallic silver have been observed and studied in both. Extolling one over the other is usually someone trying to sell you something.

Cheers.

There is some merit in what you said...

about smaller current.
Think of it this way...
You are 'deteriorating' the surface of the rods in BOTH cases.. AC and DC. You are doing this at the atomic level.. electrolytically OXIDIZING (stripping electrons) from silver atoms.
As this happens, 'clusters' of atoms fall away from the surface as particles and become suspended in a solution of (now) ions and water molecules.
The more AGGRESSIVE this deterioration, the more likely you will form LARGER particles falling away from the surface.

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To be honest

I thought I knew what you said,maybe I do,I don't know
I will have to re-read this comment of yours again,and maybe again
I do inhale it by using a machine,it works when I get pneumonia,it beats taking the meds,and works in 3 days.
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nice!

very cool.

This is really interesting

This is really interesting stuff. Unfortunately I can't contribute much to the discussion.

I do agree with you that colloidal silver > ion silver. Although silver ions are nano-sized, it shouldn't be mistaken for nano silver. Nano silver is not an ion of silver.

Cheers!

I've used silver for various viruses and bacterial infections

It works great. No kidding

I was sold on it when I had taken my dog to the doctor for recurring ear infections. I made at least 3 vet visits and filled three ear drop prescriptions. They'd clear it up temporarily but then it would come back. Doc said, "Are you getting his head wet too much? Maybe he's just allergic to something and your going to just have to keep giving him medicine until we figure it out. So out of desperation I tried silver. After 4 days of giving him silver drops in the ears it was gone and gone for good. we haven't had one other instance. He had a problem with his teeth and silver fixed that. We've used it on pink eye, and colds. Sore throats and ear aches. I even used it topically on a small rash on my daughters leg that wouldn't go away.

Honestly, the stuff works great. We use it as sparingly as medicine but with more confidence that we aren't doing any harm when we do use it.

At some point here I need to learn to make it. Anyone who doubts the effectiveness of silver just hasn't tried it yet.

What do you feed your dog?

What do you feed your dog?

Said it before, sayin' it again!

Colloidal silver kills every cold, which is a virus, I have, dead in its tracks!

I used to get horrible colds every other month at least. Sometimes more. Thanks to a colloidal silver nasal spray I got for $10, I have not had a cold amount to ANYTHING since 2009. One spray up each nostril at the first sign (important to hit it early) of a cold and in a couple hours you are good as new!

There are various

ways to kill viruses, collodial silver is a good one. Probably, the fastest way to kill the virus would be to get injections of ozone, as no virus can survive pure oxygen. Also, allicin, oregacin, and Mega C would work to kill the virus. I had the flu last season for the first time in 20 yrs. I took allicin, oregacin, and vitamin C (Mega C is the best but was out). It was eliminated in 2 days, while those who went to the synthetic poison center (hospital), they had it for several weeks. One person I know even had it turn into viral pneumonia, and was in the hospital for 2 mos being treated with (I don't rememenber the name) the anti-biotics used against anthrax to kill the virus. He is still not 100% a year later, and won't listen to get the natural remedies to heal the damage cause by the effects of the virus, even though I warned him if he gets pneumonia again, he may die.

Ebola is not bacteria...???

I thought Ebola was a virus? It's only bacteria that is killed when it comes into contact with silver.

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Not according to this

http://colloidalsilverkillsviruses.com/
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Thanks for the info, I wasn't

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware.

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You are wlecome

Hopefully we all are here to learn :)
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clearly this community

...and the natural health community have known about the benefits of colloidal silver for decades. In fact our grandparents used it and swore by it. Unfortunately there has been great effort by the media and science community to paint silver as unsafe quackery that'll turn you blue.

The entire point of this post was to point out that our community has know about and used this stuff for years. It is far from experimental.