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Can any bible scholars tell me about Melchizedek?

I would like to know more about this person.
The more thorough the better.

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Agree. Words also tie in with the idea Shem was Melchizedek.

•Reign over Salem: Shem inherited the land of Salem and Melchizedek is the king of Salem.
•King of Righteousness: Shem reigned in righteousness (Melchizedek’s name means King of Righteousness) and the priesthood came through him. (Ginsberg, Legends of the Jews, p. 233.)
•Name as Title: If Shem is indeed Melchizedek, the name is then used as a title, not an actual name. This title would seem to fit the biblical account of the Godliness and righteousness ascribed to Shem.
- See more at: http://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/melchizedek-and-shem/#s...

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Can anyone...

surpass Jesus Christ as "The King of Righteousness"? As the "Prince of Peace"?

Salem is Jerusalem. Jesus died on the cross in Jerusalem as "King of the Jews."

Melchisedek appeared out of nowhere after the battle of the Kings, though he was not named as a participant in the war. He came to Abraham as a King and High Priest of the Most High God with an offering of bread and wine. At that point in time, God had only revealed himself to Abraham, so how could Melchisedek, if he were a mortal man, be serving the one true God of Abraham? The people of Salem were pagans at that time.

Melchisedek has to be Jesus Christ.

Minnesota Mary

"Voice in the Garden"...

"us"
Pillar of smoke & fire
Burning bush
"Angel of the LORD"
Fiery furnace
Handwriting on the wall
Talking ass
etc etc etc

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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I believe he was Shem (Noah's son).

Okay, I'm not an actual Biblical scholar but, I have studied the Bible many years.

Shem and Melchizedek are the same person:
•The Great High Priest: There can’t be two high priests presiding at the same time. Shem was the great high priest of his day. Abraham honored the high priest Melchizedek by seeking a blessing at his hands and paying him tithes.
- See more at: http://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/melchizedek-and-shem/#s...

"The Rabbis identify Shem with Melchizedek, King of Salem, who is termed "a priest of the Most High," and who came to meet Abraham after the latter had defeated the four kings led by Chedorlaomer (Gen. xiv. 18-20). According to this account, Shem, as a priest, came to Jerusalem (with which Salem is identified by the Rabbis), of which city he became king, it being the proper place for the establishment of the cult of Yhwh. He went to meet Abraham to show him that he was not angry with him for having killed the Elamites, his descendants (Midr. Agadah on Gen. l.c.). Shem, however, forfeited the priesthood by mentioning in his blessing Abraham's name before that of God, so that God took his office from him and gave it to Abraham (Ned. 32b; Pirḳe R. El. xxvii.)."
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13541-shem

"According to some Jewish traditions (e.g., B. Talmud Nedarim 32b; Genesis Rabbah 46:7; Genesis Rabbah 56:10; Leviticus Rabbah 25:6; Numbers Rabbah 4:8.), Shem is believed to have been Melchizedek, King of Salem whom Abraham is recorded to have met after the battle of the four kings."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Please give references for the down vote.

Because something doesn't fit your mindset, isn't a valid reason to dispute a well known theory. That theory is pretty well accepted by actual Biblical scholars. What is the argument you would present? Not being sarcastic. Just want to keep learning.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I thought it was a good comment.

So I upvoted.

Thank you.

I honestly don't understand why, when someone asks for info, anyone would vote down a credible theory that is very relevant to the question asked, without a giving a reason.

No one knows for sure whether or not the theory is true, as no one can positively prove it one way or the other. But it is credible, nevertheless. I think it's always good to hear both sides of the story.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Agreed. The other day

I made a post trying to get people to watch a video for me to donate money to Michael. I thought it would be fun, but for some reason, it got a bunch of downvotes, Some folks are just weird. LOL

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He doesn't show up but twice

He doesn't really show up but twice in the Bible, to my knowledge. Once when Abraham gets back from laying the smack down on some raiders who kidnapped Lot & family. He tithes from the spoils and Melchizedek is described as "a priest of God most High".

In my hebrew bible his name shows up as two different words, "מַלְכִּי-צֶדֶק".

I'm not going to try and be accurate here with the transliteration... I took 3 semesters of ancient hebrew in college but it's been a long time. the MLK 3-letter combo almost always means king. TSDQ means justice. So if we go that route, we have "King of Justice" or "Righteous King". He's also called the King of Salem (שָׁלֵם). The SHLM 3-letter combo probably will look familiar to you as in 'shalom'.

In any case there's a short reference to him in Psalms which is later quoted and expanded in the New Testament in Hebrews 7.

What, exactly, being a priest "after the order of Melchizedek" means... you could probably find tons written on that subject. I've never spent much time fathoming it except to say that a) Abraham seemed to submit himself to him (that also happened during the Transfiguration where Moses, Abraham, and Elijah bowed out to Jesus). b) He served God Most High c) He was not connected to the Levite priesthood.

There are probably other parallels I haven't considered or read about.

A suggestion.....

Hi Absolute Rights,

If you type in the words "mormon melchizedek priesthood" and do a google search, then many items will pop up. Some are very interesting.

I appreciate that some of my fellow Christian friends disagree with the Mormon teachings, but as a Mormon I have found that by living these teachings of Jesus The Christ, I have greater peace in my personal life and home and family.

May God Bless you in your Scripture study.

Peaceful thoughts,
Kyle

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Christian means follower of Christ,not follower of denomination

I would define a Christian as simply someone who makes a conscious effort to follow the teachings and example of Christ because it rings true to their conscience.To me,it has nothing to do with religious denominations.With all due respect,if you consider yourself a follower of Christ(Christian)I cannot see any good in putting yourself in religious categories such as catholic,protestant,mormon,Jehovah's witness etc.

Treat others as you would like to be treated.Treat others with goodwill,kindness,compassion,forgiveness and mercy.Admit and repent of your mistakes and the wrong things you have done ,said, and thought.Swallow your pride and let your conscience be your guide to truth and to what is right or wrong.That is what being a Christian and following Christ means to me.Not always easy to follow,but I think easy to understand if you think about it.

If you are atheist and reading this,please hear me out.While I can see many wrongs in myself,others,organized religions and political power structures,I honestly cannot see any wrong in Christ and making the effort to follow His example which rings true to my conscience.Even if you don't believe in God,does it not ring true to your conscience to live by these principles anyway?We know our conscience is real,whether we believe in God or not.Conscience being defined as our inner sense of right and wrong,good and evil,better or worse,fair or unfair and just or unjust.The video linked at the bottom of this post addresses this topic.Peace.

Nice comment, cthan.

I agree that denomination does not make a person a follower of Christ. Many of us do, however, belong to one denomination or other because the rules and philosophy are ones we can abide by and we are able to pray with likeminded people.

But, here's the thing I always tell people: Don't leave your brains outside of the Church doors when you go in. Unquestioning loyalty to one's Church doesn't make anyone a Christian.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I have Mormon friends,

and the one thing they have in common is what seems to be a very good home life. But then I know of people who have been excommunicated too. What kind of church goes through the excommunication process? Do you honestly believe that Christ would excommunicate a person from His church? I don't believe so.

I will however take care of this down vote that you have. I don't see anything wrong with your comment, and it certainly wasn't in bad taste, or hateful in any way.

Here is the justification for excommunication:

I'm not Mormon BTW.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

2 Thessalonians 3:14
14 And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Matthew 18:15-17
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Romans 16:17
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

2 John 1:10
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

Titus 3
9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

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Or if you google search

blacks and the Mormon church you might find some more interesting things like them not be able to serve in the church till the 70's. Or google Joesph Smiths 33 wives (19 or 20 of them were under the age of 18 and two of them were sisters) that's just for starters.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

You make interesting points.......

Hi Phxarcher87,

Thanks for your comments. Actually, African-Americans were able to serve in the Church since it was "restored" (unique Mormon phrasing). The first LDS Prophet in this Dispensation was, as you know, Joseph Smith; he ordained at least one African-American to the "Priesthood."

After Brother Joseph was shot and died, it was Brigham Young who then became the Prophet of the Church. During his administration, the Ordination to the Priesthood of African-Americans ceased. In 1978, the Priesthood Ordination rights were restored to African-Americans. Today, we have no understanding of why he did this; perhaps it was akin to some the feelings that many had back then. I do not know.

The pain caused by not allowing African-Americans to hold the Priesthood of God for over 100 years is still somewhat of an open wound. I certainly recommend that my Church offer a formal apology, and set up a "restitution" scholarship account to help African-Americans with school tuition; I also think some type of "statue gardens" featuring statues of Christian African-Americans would also help; there is room there in Sale Lake City for such a monument gardens.

Regarding the "google" claim that Brother Joseph had scores of wives; 20-30-40; depending which account you read; I just don't really know at this stage. Before I joined the LDS Church, I read books that have a less than positive view of my Church. I still remember standing in the base Library at Fort Sheridan, and reading about that claim; something inside made me feel that what I was reading did not feel right. Now granted, my Church in their books and websites make the "google" claim as well, but I just don't feel it.

The google story claims, and so does my Church, that there are about 40 written journals claiming that he had scores of wives. To me, having been savaged by the media, with them writing things that I knew were not true, I give Brother Joseph some light. One problem for the "Joseph may have had 40 wives side" is that while Joseph was having children with his first wife Emma, during the same amount of time he had no children with all of these other supposed wives.
There is No DNA testing that shows he had children with anyone other than Emma.

Maybe he did have more than one wife, but I have not felt it or seen it.

Now, Brigham Young did practice having many wives, and so did many leaders of the Church.

One thing is for sure, my Church does a very poor job in defending her history. We should have several websites up defending our Faith in The Christ. Because we do not defend our Faith in Jesus, many good people can't see what we are about because we do not defend ourselves.

As for me, The Holy Ghost directed me to the LDS Church in no uncertain terms. I respect many sincere other Christians have not had that spiritual prompting; my late dearest father being one of them. Perhaps God wanted my father and other good people in other denominations; I leave that up to God. But I do know and so Testify in the Name of Christ I am where He wants me.

My Indie movie is about Mormon Missionaries; the trailer is up on Youtube at "Sisters Go Ye Trailer 2."

I wish you the best in your journey as you follow Jesus our only Lord and Savior. May we look for what is good within each other and seek to build up each other.

His Peace to you, and your loved ones,
Praise Ye The Lord,
Your Brother in Jesus,
Kyle

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Only Repentance, and Faith in the Atonement of Jesus The Lamb will Save our Beloved Constitution.

Try reading one verse before you start your car.

Please view my Indie Movie; "Sisters Go Ye Trailer 2" on Youtube

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Kinda sucks to have some of

Kinda sucks to have some of the so called profits be racist and some not. Were you going to address the sexual immorality of the not so racist profit Mr. Smith? Jesus came to destroy all boarders of inequality from Jew to Gentile, Samaritan or prostitute.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Ouch

At least you didn't bring up the "golden tablets" that couldn't be replicated.

Hope you are safe in OK

Hi Dale,

I hope you are safe in OK; I saw where a 4.2 earthquake hit your area. I read where the State Government is going to hold hearings on the possible link of frackling to the new wave of earthquakes. Besides the earthquakes, I'd be concerned about the safety of the ground water for drinking and also what it is going to do to the crops; using water to help nourish the crops that is contaminated with frackling chemicals holds many perils.

Regarding the "golden tablets" or also as known as the "golden plates", I respect your view, as I do the views of others who see differently than I do.

Each year, now that I am older, I read all of the Standard Works of my Church; this year makes the 10th year in a row that I have read the complete Book of Mormon and the 5th straight year I have read the entire Holy Bible (King James version). I feel closer to Jesus my Lord and Savior as I read from both. As I prayed over The Book of Mormon, I felt The Holy Ghost tell me that it was of God; I respect that others have prayed and not had the same feelings that I have had. Perhaps God wants them in another Church or fine denomination; I leave that to God.

In the valiant quest to save our Beloved Constitution and preserve our Rights to Worship the Christ, may we look for which brings us together.

You might enjoy my Indie movie trailer on Youtube at "Sisters Go Ye trailer 2"; or at least you would find it interesting.

His Peace and His Grace to you and your loved ones and especially all those who seek to preserve our Beloved and Inspired Constitution,

Your Brother in Jesus our only savior,
Praise Ye The Lord,
Kyle

Only Repentance, and Faith in the Atonement of Jesus The Lamb will Save our Beloved Constitution.

Try reading one verse before you start your car.

Please view my Indie Movie; "Sisters Go Ye Trailer 2" on Youtube

Very kind..

and no disrespect meant. I've never been against anyone and their personal faith. I have am very unapologetic in my "nasty" views of religious "systems" though, but that includes most of them, definitely not just Mormons. Every Mormon I know is/are good people, just certain beliefs and "rules" that I don't see as Biblical. But that has nothing to do with salvation, grace, and your personal relationship with Christ.

Yeah we have the fracking like crazy around here these days. I don't ever remember feeling an earthquake, and now they are all around us. One thing for sure, if the S ever did HTF, at least the Mormons would be able to survive, eat, and assist their neighbors. We have been planning for years now to visit the food center in OKC so that we could really stock up on rice/beans/grains and etc. Just haven't had the time to do it.

Just so you know, I was raised Southern Baptist and I'm just as harsh on them and any other "denomination" that seems to has lost its way. At least the Mormons are consistent and down to earth. Thanks for the reply.

Not a Bible Scholar

But I know how to google :) I go to this site often and find that it lines up with Scripture well. This came up.

Who was Melchizedek?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Melchizedek.html

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." Matthew 12:25
http://www.needgod.com/
http://www.geniusthemovie.com/

Very good...

And as I stated in an earlier post, Christ said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day (Day of the Lord). Since Abraham had died long before the incarnate Christ appeared on the scene, the only explanation for this comment of Christ's is that Melchisedek has to be Christ, and that Abraham received a foretaste of the Last Supper.

Minnesota Mary