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L.A. Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up - Even If We're Violating Your Rights

Sunil Dutta, a 17-year veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department and professor of homeland security at Colorado Tech University, has a suggestion for victims of police violence searching for someone to blame: Look in the mirror.

In a column published Tuesday in The Washington Post titled, "I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me," Dutta responds to mounting criticism of the policing tactics on display in Ferguson, Missouri, amid the hyper-militarization of law enforcement and accusations that officers have violated the First Amendment rights of both demonstrators and journalists covering the events. In a particularly telling passage, Dutta argues that citizens could deter police brutality if they were simply more cooperative, even when they're unjustly targeted.

"Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you," he writes. "Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/sunil-dutta-police-...



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hi hitler

This fucken cops are Nazi. Welcome to the Police State comming to your town next. I think we should have the same attude they have, if they fight with us taze them, pepper spray them, stomp on them and shoot them! The only thing Nazi's understand is force!

Here a question to cops are going to honor your oath and stand for the rule of law? If the answer is no, when you get shot you deserve it! I don't shed many tears for dead nazis!

"To Protect and Serve"

I guess the question is who they're protecting and serving.

Fire his ass

If you don't want to be challenged then get another job.

The police serve the people NOT the other way round.

This attitude that the citizen is getting in the way of the police is at the center of what is wrong with the police mindset.

You may never use force unless you have to to protect a citizen or to defend yourself.

We need to teach police Isaac Asimov's three rules.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

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robot999's picture

Call and Email his Employer

and demand this NAZI be fired (please).

President of Colo Tech: Andrew Hurst main# 847-781-3600 (toll free: 866-813-1836) I couldn't find his email address, but I sent it to hurst@ctuonline.edu (and it didn't bounce)
President of Colorado Campus': Tim Gramling, LP.D.
Email: help@coloradotech.edu
Ms. Balsan's Email (what I used): mbalsan@ctuonline.edu

Here is my email (calling tomorrow since they are close now)
Ms. Balsan,
I'm writing you to express my deep concern about some public comments by one of your Employees: Sunil Dutta.
In today's Washington Post, Mr. Dutta wrote an op-ed chillingly titled, "I'm a cop. If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."

Here is quote of what your "Professor" publicly had to say:

"Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don't argue with me, don't call me names, don't tell me that I can't stop you, don't say I'm a racist pig, don't threaten that you'll sue me and take away my badge. Don't scream at me that you pay my salary, and don't even think of aggressively walking towards me."

At first I thought he might be quoting an SS officer from 1930's Germany, but sadly these are his words. I then thought that maybe Mr. Dutta, in obvious response to the killing of an unarmed African American teenager in Ferguson, MO, might be a racist. Frankly at this point I just think Mr. Dutta is mentally unstable and unfit to teach in any institution, though he may be better off in one.

As an honorably discharged veteran who served my country, and who takes my Oath to the Constitution seriously, I question whether Mr. Dutta should be teaching young minds. I'm outraged and angered that your employee would make such anti-american, disgraceful, and disrespectful statements in public - insinuating that "cops" are somehow above reproach, and if "challenged" can shoot, taze... well you can read the rest yourself.

Mr. Dutta should be fired immediately. Furthermore, I am adding my voice to thousands of other across the country who are outraged with his Bully-ish, ignorant, and racist statements.

I will be contacting local Denver media outlets to make sure that Coloradans are completely aware of these outrageous statements by Colo Tech "Professor" Dutta.

I respect law enforcement, when they act within the law and stive to protect and serve, but obviously this is not the attitude of Mr. Dutta.

I would appreciate a response to my letter with your course of action included.

Finally, I have a message for Mr. Dutta: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/do-police-even-kn...

Thank You

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Thanks for info!

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NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

I think you had some typos in

I think you had some typos in Dutta's quotes... It should have read: "oink oink oink, ...bottom line, oink oink...etc"

What a novel concept this man has.

I'm going to do a really bad paraphrase of a speech that Will Smith gave in Hancock real quick.

I can see where this guy is coming from. He's got the power, he's going to do as he pleases and takes what he wants. He's stronger, he's got better weapons and the sanction of a bigger gang than any other one in the country. But, the question is, does he actually have the power? If enough people are alienated and take to the streets, will pepper spray, sound cannons, tazers, guns and the like be enough? What happens when this guy gets surrounded by 20 ticked off protestors armed with bats or knives and he's out of ammo?

I consider myself more of a prudent libertarian. If I'm being stopped at a sobriety checkpoint (I've hit no less than 50 of them in the past 4 years because I have a Friday night theology seminar that I attend about an hour from my home) I don't make a fuss, although I've gotten pretty good at selecting alternative routes where they usually don't do checks. However, when I hear stories about idiot cops getting shot and killed for breaking into peoples' homes in the name of the "War on Drugs" or something along similar lines, I don't feel inclined to shed a bitter tear.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

sunil on cnn

just another lying cop says.I never used force in his seventeen year career as a LIAR.

Had an argument on a Yahoo forum where someone claimed

that the young black man in Furguson deserved to be killed for refusing to follow the police officers order to get out of the street, even if the officer did not in fact even know that the kid was actually a suspect in a robbery.

Aghast, I asked the poster if it would be okay for a police officer to shoot him for failure to follow an order. And the guy responded that he ALWAYS walks on the sidewalk, never in the street. And that he always follows the instructions of a police officer when they are given.

I answered "So if a police officer says "Do this." and you don't, he has the legal right to execute you then and there?"

Silence in response.

The correct form of that test is

"so if an officer says to give him fellatio", and you don't, etc. From this variation of serf, we get the term "fellatio giver". There is nothing new under the sun, my dear jetguy.

Defend Liberty!

POINT IN FACT REVEALED

This goes to PROVE that coppers believe, not just think, they are above the law itself...

And this also is proof that they will all protect each other with lies when another cop goes rogue, imo.

Just Like WWII SS Camp Guards

...the false bravado of these self-obsessed, obnoxiously arrogant badged ubermensch evaporates once the tables are turned on them.

I'm a human being,

If you don't want me to challenge you, then don't violate my rights. I don't know why that simple concept is so easy for EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF SOCIETY, yet cops seem to think they are above this universal, natural law.

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

NO BUSINESS SERVING THE PUBLIC

This cop has no business being a cop.He sounds like a thug on drugs.

I've read that Rapist often say the same type of thing

to their victims while attacking them. "Just don't fight it, and It'll all be over soon."

Funny how criminal minds work alike.

I got something to say to this cop ...

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you,Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll arrest me and take away my liberty. Don’t scream at me , and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me.

OK Officer how do you feel about it now ?

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Fucking pigs!

So Now Amerika Has Military Drill Officers Running The Streets !

I'd call that mob {s} rule !

There is another way spelled out in the Constitution:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin71.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin72.htm

So why do politicians fear a well organized militia?

My answer is: Because political power will be in the militia and not corrupt parties.

beesting

Right or wrong, shot is

Right or wrong, shot is shot.

Rule #1 of life: Don't get killed!

Up the middle is rarely the best play. Likewise, directly confronting the very bottom level of enforcement is not a wise approach, and won't result in change.

The bottom level cannot be influenced to defy the will of the upper levels, because as soon as it is, it is replaced.

All efforts and protests should be directed at the decisionmakers.

LEOs are just bagmen for the state, and don't direct policy. They are, in a sense, just the messengers of bad policy, and shouldn't be blamed so wholly for being the very fingertip of tyranny. There is a hand, an arm, a shoulder, and most importantly, a brain, directing their actions. They are just the cutting, punching, shooting edge of a much larger organism. Placing the blame at their individual feet is not the means to a better end.

Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.

http://shadesofthomaspaine.blogexec.com

Also author of Stick it to the Man!

http://www.amazon.com/Stick-Man-Richard-Moyer/dp/1484036417

Do cops take a oath to the rule of law?

Do they have a fucken brain? Just following orders is no excuse! They are just as BAD as the scumbag Republoodlicans and Democrips! There worse cause they shoot people dead! The lowest form of life is a Nazi cop. The second lowest is a Rebloodlican or Democrip politician!

They aren't innocent, but

They aren't innocent, but change starts at a higher level than the LEOs.

Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.

http://shadesofthomaspaine.blogexec.com

Also author of Stick it to the Man!

http://www.amazon.com/Stick-Man-Richard-Moyer/dp/1484036417

Every individual is a decision-maker.

Every human being is an individual, and every individual is his own decision-maker.

Politicians are not "brains" of some super-entity, of which cops are the trigger fingers. Like all the rest of us, they're all just individuals, each of of us fully responsible for our own actions.

Think about this: how many people did Hitler, Stalin and Mao kill? Millions? Nope. I doubt that they killed more than a hundred, between them. They weren't fighters -- they just gave "orders" -- and the real killers obeyed. So who is responsible for the millions of deaths? The sociopathic politicians -- or the soldiers who "just followed orders" -- and let's have a round of applause for all the "good folks" who believed, and taught their children, that obedience to "authority" -- "obeying the law" -- is a moral virtue.

Cops deserve ALL the blame for the evil they do . . . but save another spot in Hell for the folks who taught them that "government" enjoys a special moral status: that theft is okay if one names it "taxation;" murder is okay, if one names it "war" or "law enforcement" -- and institutionalized slavery is okay if the slavemaster calls himself "government."

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Just railing against the

Just railing against the trigger pullers doesn't move us in the right direction, because there will always be trigger pullers.. The real task is making people afraid to order the trigger pull or follow the order should it ever come.

And, how aren't politicians the fellows with their hands on the rudder of the org called Government? How isn't Obama directing the executive branch, and rewarding people who make things happen that he wants?

Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.

http://shadesofthomaspaine.blogexec.com

Also author of Stick it to the Man!

http://www.amazon.com/Stick-Man-Richard-Moyer/dp/1484036417

when to shoot a cop????????//

when he violates the constuition. under color of law.

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to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right.

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

Just Comply!

We'll be finished violating you momentarily.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

ecorob's picture

Simple fix.

Fire him or his boss or BOTH.

Someone's got to go.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Wow. We have reached a new

Wow. We have reached a new low.