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Forgotten natural allies.

Let's stick together, even if we disagree.

I accept that there would be so much more abundance and individual liberty even if YOUR way became THE way. And therefore I can ally and work with you.

The the flaws of your philosophy will become very easy for both of us to see as we make it a reality...when the cracks begin to show in your method, we will take what works, disregard what doesn't, and innovate anew.

And the exact same thing can be said for my philosophy as well!

HOWEVER, we will never get a chance to fulfill our potential and realize our philosophy of individual liberty if we don't come together, stick together, and ally ourselves with one another.

I believe the solution is radically simple:

1) Constitutionally restrict the power of EVERY legislature that occupies OUR continent. (no we don't have that now)

-Divest them of the power to initiate nonconsensual harm.
-Divest them of the power to regulate our contracts.
-Divest them of the power to license our work.
-Divest them of the power to grant blanket limited liability status.
-Divest them of the power to tax.
-Divest them of the power to conscript.
-Essentially, limit them to managing certain infrastructure.

2) Have an truly INDEPENDENT judiciary.(no we don't have that now)

-Where all parties have EQUAL standing.
-A true grand jury
-A true independent magistrate handle proceedings
-A true disinterested jury our peers

3) Make certain the individual has an absolute right to have with them armaments equal to any prevailing military force and to use them against any initiator of nonconsensual harm...regardless of who they are.(no we don't have that now)

That's where I stand right now. Can you see that I want to achieve individual liberty in one generation...
Can we stick together and work through problems as the flaws in my method become apparent? I am willing.

Will you stay open minded and be willing to through the flaws in your method as they become apparent? I am willing.

If we share the same ultimate goal of individual liberty, and are willing to work together, doesn't that make us natural allies?



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Divest governments of the power to borrow and tax/

$17 trillion in debt if interest rates go up the Federal government goes bankrupt overnight.

The US has been going deeper in debt since 1893. Folks, this isn't bringing prosperity.

Free includes debt-free!

yes. nicely put

well said. fortunately the government's debt is not our debt.

So why is the IRS collecting interest payments?

What did the creditors accept for collateral?

Free includes debt-free!

They didn't hypothecate anything

money is lent to governments based on their ability to repay.
The government has many ways it can raise revenue to repay, one of them is taxation.

I posted before i finished revising-oops

Understand that the government is a distinct legal entity, separate from society.

It can own property, run services, make investments, and borrow money in its own right.

Money is lent to governments based on their ability to repay.
Property it owns can be hypothecated to secure its debts and taxation is one of the methods it has to raise revenue.

It sheers its sheep as it pleases to achieve its desires and satisfy its obligations.

Those are the mechanics. The debts of the government are not debts of society.
I happen to believe this is the number one reason why the nonsense is drilled into children's heads that "we are the government".

deacon's picture

And even their ability

Not to pay,this way,money is lent in bad faith,the country loaned that money still goes broke,and then gets owned by something,this is what the IMF does.
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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Great point! I was still revising, let me restate

This is directed at the other poster:
Understand that the government is a distinct legal entity, separate from society.

It can own property, run services, make investments, and borrow money in its own right.

Money is lent to governments based on their ability to repay.
Property it owns can be hypothecated to secure its debts and taxation is one of the methods it has to repay its debts.

It sheers its sheep as it pleases to achieve its desires and satisfy its obligations.

----At deacon----
Yep, they lend money and secure it by government owned property and services...then foreclose and take the infrastructure of the country. you nailed it :)

FDR Declared The US Bankrupt

The creditors accept each American citizen's earning potential or credit manifested as labor for collateral.

larry becraft has debunked this many times

old PAYtriot mythos

deacon's picture

What you both say is true

But the fed gov,the IRS,and fed reserve keep the fact that the fed gov's debt is not theirs,but apply it to the people.Then turn around and apply the labor,the wealth,sweat and tears of the people and the people themselves
as collateral for that imaginary debt.
So,in my way of thinking, all bailout countries,factories and businesses are owned by the people themselves.That debt should be given back to the people as payment for the theft in the first place.
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence