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Real ID Blowback: Massachusetts Residents ID No Longer Good at Some Federal Locations


Federal agencies blocking entry, citing compliance

By Jessica Meyers | The Boston Globe
August 26, 2014

WASHINGTON — Susan Podziba couldn’t enter a federal building near Washington this month because her driver’s license revealed an unacceptable home state: Massachusetts.

Bay State residents can no longer use their driver’s licenses to get inside some government agencies because the state is one of nine that have not signed on to a federal law called REAL ID. If nothing changes, they will even lose the ability to display their licenses to board a plane.

The REAL ID measure presses states to verify citizenship and update security standards when they issue licenses. Congress intended the act to prevent terrorists who arrive in the country illegally from boarding planes. But officials in Massachusetts and elsewhere have balked at a program they contend costs millions, raises privacy concerns, and infringes on states’ rights.

States face no direct penalty other than the frustration of their citizens.

Some restrictions — such as the one that kept Podziba, a public policy mediator from Brookline, out of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — began in late July.

‘It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?’

“It was bizarre, and then I really felt embarrassed,” Podziba said. “It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?”

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Since the work of the

Since the work of the regulatory and law inforcement agencies are so important, and since the states have constitutional authority over the sale of alcoholic drinks, I think the states should forbid the sale of these mind-altering drinks to all federal officials engaged in these important duties.


I was under the impression that the primary justification for holding a constitutional convention and creating a federal government was to prevent problems such as this and make commerce "regular". This government now does everything imaginable EXCEPT the basic functions it was created to carry out.

Time to return to the Articles of Confederation!

Better Yet...

Why don't the states work to nullify REAL ID? I think Massachusetts ought to jump on board with that. Even Maine and South Carolina. They've said no to REAL ID. What's stopping them from nullification?

Domestic Travel Restrictions...

Domestic travel restrictions like these are the hallmark of an authoritarian state, not a free country. Free people should be free to travel however they want without any government interference and they should not have to show any kind of documents such as ID or a passport to travel in their own country. That is not freedom.

There should be more of an uproar over this. People should be outraged, up in arms over this. They're losing their freedom in the name of "safety" and they should NOT be okay with it.

BMWJIM's picture

Upon getting this DL go directly to

the microwave. Blast 10 seconds. Let cool. Blast 10 more seconds. Let cool. Blast 10 more seconds. Listen for loud pop. No more chip.

Works well on TWIX card also. Never stopped me from going offshore. Someone asked about the burnt spot once but told them I forgot to take my wallet out of my pocket when drying my jeans. No problem.


1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

I did the same thing.

Let them try and run my license through a bar code device. The city installed cameras downtown that cite you for all kinds of traffic infractions. I bought some clear paint for my license plate. I wonder if that disrupts the radio signal too? I hope so.

Backdoor to facial recognition biometric surveillance

The whole Real ID and related scam is what needs to give way here.

Check this thread by Mr. Morose about where this is headed in terms
of advancing the surveillance state. It's nominally about Missouri
but basically a situation that's cropping up all over:


"According to the current interpretation of most of our state laws, having an ICAO image of you grabbed and uploaded to the net as a condition of getting a DL or non driver ID is "voluntary" and therefore doesn't violate your rights; the problem is, for the most part, you can't travel, drive, work, get health insurance, legally start a business, vote, or open a bank account without a photo ID, and the only photo IDs now available at DMVs comply with the ICAO standard for facial recognition.

The end game is to have ALL of your personal data digitally attached to your biometrics, so that you can be scanned and identified in real time or from surveillance footage by someone who doesn't even know you, even with no ID on your person, and have literally your entire life history available for scrutiny. Police around the US, not just Missouri, are being equipped with devices such as MorphoIDENT, Motorola's BIS, and the MORIS device for this specific purpose."

I wish we could get a mass movement started

where no one renews their drivers liscense. I know it would be a pain in some instances but I'm seriously annoyed that I can't cash a check, pickup a script, or do countless other things without a state approved DL. Mine expires in 2017 and I don't plan on getting it renewed.

I'm repeating myself but this SC legislation is backbone against

SC's problem with Real I.D. in easy to understand language:..

H. 3989
Introduced by Reps. Davenport, Haskins, Bedingfield, G.R. Smith, Ceips, Duncan, Littlejohn, Witherspoon, Agnew, Brantley, Chellis, Frye, Kelly, M.A. Pitts, Taylor, Young, Funderburk and Mulvaney
S. Printed 5/30/07--S.
Read the first time May 15, 2007.

To whom was referred a Concurrent Resolution (H. 3989) to memorialize Congress to repeal or decline implementation of the “Real ID Act of 2005” and to oppose the
creation of a federal national identification, etc., respectfully

That they have duly and carefully considered the same and recommend that the same do pass:

LARRY A. MARTIN for Committee.

Whereas, the State of South Carolina recognizes the Constitution of the United States as our most fundamental charter of liberty and the Bill of Rights as
affirming the fundamental and inalienable rights of Americans, including freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures and freedom of privacy; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States grants to the federal government the ability to make only seven mandates on the states, and that these mandates are
the apportionment of troops for military needs, found in Section 8 of Article I; an unapportioned quota of money to balance the budget in times of deficit, found in Section 9 of Article I; an oath of office to support the onstitution, found in Article IV; the full faith and credit for the laws of other states, found in Section 1 of Article IV; the extradition of fugitives, found in Section 2 of
Article IV; a republican form of government, found in Section 4 of Article IV; and the right of all qualified citizens to vote, found in Amendments XV, XIV, and
XXIV; and that these seven mandates do not support the demands of the Real ID Act of 2005, found at Division B of Public Law 109 13 and signed by President
George W. Bush on May 11, 2005; and

Whereas, the citizens of the individual states, having delegated to Congress by means of the Constitution of the United States the power to punish treason,counterfeiting of securities or currency of the United States, piracy or a felony committed on the high seas, and an offense against the law of a nation, but no other crimes; and it is true as a general principle and by an amendment to the
Constitution that “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to it by the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people,” that the Real ID Act passed by Congress on February 10, 2005, is void and without force; and

Whereas, it is unconscionable for this State to submit to an act of Congress that exceeds the limited grant of power to the federal government and contained in the United States Constitution, especially when the act would infringe on a protected right of this State or its people; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act, by purportedly creating a national system of identification that connects banking, commerce, federal services, and other necessities of American life to the demand for this form of identification is viewed by numerous Americans of diverse Christian faiths as being diametrically opposed to their beliefs in scripture and their doctrines, the act also creates
the very real potential for massive civil and religious rebellion, both openly and secretly, to the demand of the federal government for compliance with the Real ID Act; and

Whereas, no act of Congress should infringe on the rights of conscience for our pious and faithful citizens; and

Whereas, the State of South Carolina denounces terrorism in all forms and condemns all acts of terrorism by a foreign or domestic entity; and

Whereas, security measures designed to protect American citizens from terrorist acts must be designed to enhance the safety of American citizens without infringing on their Constitutionally protected rights and liberties, and without
being enacted outside the limited grant of power on Congress; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act purports without Constitutional authority to allow the federal government to create a federal national identification card by mandating federal standards, subject to approval of the United States Department of Homeland Security, for state driver’s licenses and other identification cards, and
requiring states to share their motor vehicle databases; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act purports to mandate the documents that states must require to issue or renew a state driver’s license and purports to require states to place uniform information in a standard, machine readable format on
every driver’s license; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act prohibits federal agencies, federally regulated commercial airlines, and federally regulated private banks from accepting a driver’s license or other identification card issued by a state that does not
fully comply with the act; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act would, if implemented in the State of South Carolina, prove a very costly and long term endeavor at the expense of the citizens of this State and their liberties; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act purports to require the creation of a massive public sector database that contains information on every citizen of the United States
and that is accessible to all motor vehicle department employees and law enforcement officers nationwide, and that can be used to gather and manage information on United States citizens, and that this database is not the
Constitutionally sanctioned business or responsibility of state or federal government; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act enables the creation of additional massive private sector databases, combining both transactional information and driver’s license
information gained from scanning the machine readable information contained on every driver’s license converted to a Real ID; and

Whereas, these public and private databases are likely to contain numerous errors and inadvertently false information, creating hardships for Americans attempting to verify their identities when renewing a driver’s license, board a commercial airplane, open an account with federally regulated private banks, or perform the numerous functions required to live a normal life in the United States; and

Whereas, the Federal Trade Commission estimates annually that approximately ten million citizens of the United States are victims of identity theft, and because
identity thieves increasingly target motor vehicle departments, the Real ID Act might enable the crime of identity theft by making available from tens of
thousands of locations certain personal information of all United States’citizens, including a person’s signature, social security number, and birth date;

Whereas, the Real ID Act requires a driver’s license to contain a person’s physical home address without an exception for a person without a physical home
address, a person in particular danger such as a law enforcement officer, a judicial officer, or a victim of stalking or another form of criminal harassment;

Whereas, the Real ID Act contains onerous record verification and retention provisions that place unreasonable burdens on motor vehicle division personnel and
third parties required to locate and verify records; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act will place motor vehicle department staff on the front lines of immigration enforcement by requiring state employees to determine federal citizenship and immigration status, excessively burdening both foreign born applicants and motor vehicle department staff; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act did not receive sufficient deliberation on the floors of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives, and did not receive a hearing by a Congressional committee or a vote solely on its own merits, and was passed despite opposition by more than six hundred organizations; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act eliminates a process of negotiated rulemaking initiated under the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Act of 2004, which convened federal, state, and local policymakers, privacy advocates, and industry experts to solve the problem of misuse of identity documents; and

Whereas, the Real ID Act provides no new security benefits in the proposed form of identification, and because individual state identification measures comprise
fifty distinct types of identification, this new proposal diminishes the individual state identification measures to a single type while simultaneously increasing the amount of personal information contained in it, leaving it even
more vulnerable to insider fraud, identification theft, counterfeit documentation, and database failure; and

Whereas, the federal government has intimated the potential loss of funding to a state that refuses to comply with the Real ID Act, the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina will not consider such threats as indicative of the
federal government’s general disregard for the liberty of the citizens of the United States; and

Whereas, it has also been intimated that the governments of Mexico and Canada would receive access to the databases created as a result of partnerships of our respective national governments under international treaties, consequently placing the personal information of the citizens of the United States at an increased risk
of fraud, theft, or other unauthorized and potentially deleterious uses. Now,therefore,

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:

That the members of the South Carolina General Assembly memorialize Congress to repeal or decline implementation of the Real ID Act of 2005 and to oppose the creation of a federal national identification card.

Be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to the President of the United States, the Attorney General of the United States, the United States Congress, and the members of the South Carolina Congressional Delegation.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Ok, then

this is not The Onion. "Laughable and ridiculous," Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap says. Without weapons it's farce. Disarm our bureaucracies. That's the slogan for a 2016 candidate. "Turning Threat to Farce".

Don't want no 'terrorists' flying over here illegally!

But you're welcome to wade across the Rio Grande.

I don't know what those Massachusetts DLs look like,

but here in little ol' Arkansas, you'd be hard pressed to fake a DL. We've got watermarks, holographs and numbers! you know, like the ones that are easily 'ran' to see if they are truly legit. This is just another way of 'federalizing' the nation. If your state doesn't want to play along, take it out on the citizens.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Big hologram right in the middle

Intense bar codes on the back. Pretty hard to fake, imho.

He's the man.


Hey, Alabama.. your legislators sold you down the river too.

Yeah, but we're fighting back.

Alabamians can opt out of the program, but they will face additional screening when boarding a plane or entering a regulated federal facility. There will come a time when only the new secure IDs are accepted, Rush said.

To date, only about 7,000 STAR IDs have been issued. For context, Alabama has about 3.8 million licensed drivers.



Who's fighting back?

I am,

so are many of us. We refuse to be chipped and monitored.


Any info? I'd like to help if possible.

Take a stand.

I will not comply.