Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH
Fellow men and women of this great nation,
I originally wrote this in response to a post about attempting to start a new country, and I commend original poster for bringing up the topic. I am posting it here to see what others think about my response. This post of course would be in the event of our not attaining our goals in the immediate future.
The body of my post:
I read the responses, but have not done any research into anyone that has already contemplated and written on the subject.
My response is that it would be easy to have as many of the ten percent (approx. but I could be off) of the population that supports the constitutional ideas of Ron Paul to gather in one state and utilize the law to overtly call for secession and blatantly put our problems out, and state our movement back to the constitution, and perhaps a few alterations to the document (using the correct procedures) to make it even more solid, and to prevent the hijacking of the nation.
This paragraph is more in jest, and a bit away from my true feelings, but: I would personally like to see a public figure call for the secession of all 50 states from the union and a new (or multiple due to some hardcore socialist types) nation stand up in its place. Let the socialists have fun with their's (and it will fail) and let us take ours. Those that have ideals in the middle (like the conservative statists or war mongers) can do what they wish (preferably move to the socialist states) because all they do is use up our precious air anyway. I would like us to keep the land of our forefathers and fight for truth and liberty, rather than run away and attempt to start a new, as some have called for.
Some have said that if this is done, we would be attacked. That may be so, but an overtly public display of this act would reach the ears of all citizens and persons in this country. Firstly, many would not want to harm or kill their kin. Secondly, many that follow the science and art of warfare and call their career one of the defense of the country, would likely fall to our side, since like me, have made an oath to uphold and protect the constitution, our most sacred document and bond to each other. We believe in the law of the land, the protection of our borthers and sisters, and have plenty of knowledge in the art of war. However, we are a very peaceful sort, for it is the soldier that does the bleeding. But do not take that to say that we will not bleed when we are called on to protect our most sacred bond, and the lives of our families and friends.
We may have to eventually come to the point where we would have to gather and fight yet again for our liberties. Either with our tongues, our pens, or our arms. I would like to see a return to the constitution in one way or another. I am with you all the way in this fight of ideas, since it is all of you that are screaming on these boards that will be the heads of the governments in when it is all said and done. If we need to, we can write up the constitution once again, and add into it the processes of the people's control to ensure this never happens again. We would have to negotiate amongst ourselves to how this would work, but that is the essence of a proper legislative branch anyway (with the input of state legislatures as well of course).
Every so many years, we must take a look into what has worked and what has not. We have made leaps and bounds towards the ultimate goal of true liberty, and although there will be bumps along the way, we must not stop trying, for evil only triumphs when good men stand idly by.
We the people stand together in unity for our liberty. And I say today, this 1st of February 2008, as had been said many times over our history (both in our nations, and in human history), to give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH!
-Jeremiah Perkins
edited 18:24 AZ time on 1 Feb to correct misleading sentence in first paragraph.





















Revisited
This was an attempt at writing as a federalist (I am an anti-federalist). This is still an academic reply to a previous post on the subject on secession. Secession is a subject that is very well studied and written about that can be researched online.
My true personal feelings on the subject is that if things do not change dramatically soon, there are many people contemplating this very subject (amongst others) which may well lead to the second civil war. Do not think that I wrote that last sentence in an academic meaning. I actually, sincerely think that due to my conversations with many individuals.
This post was meant to only spark conversation. Here I replay (bump) it for fun for the few people on tonight.
Hmm
Rereading it today, I could use a little more editing and stronger words. Some rambling in there. Needs stonger points and examples. I will work on that in a new on down the road. Next time, from the anti-federalist point of view to make a better point that I am more familiar with.
Couple errors too. Also makes me a bit tired. Need to work on my writing, that is for sure. Very hard to write properly when you assume people will understand what you are talking about, but you do not have enough in there to ensure they know what you are talking about.
Some of the words I used are incorrectly placed and need further clarification. I vow to work on all of this. However, this was just a reply to someone anyway, and not a complete and concise post anyway. I'll make a good one for everyone here, and anyway, within the next week. I will write a truely insightful memorandum that you guys can take away with facts, quotes, and a real rant in it.
I always thought about this...
different states have different laws (the way it was MEANT to be).
So that the Socialists and Commies can have their own state and the free-marketers would have their own and then we would see who would succeed and who would fail.
Hillary will KILL any chance of this happening - "Mandatory" health insurance - you get fined if you don't buy it.
Is she going to pay off my student loans while I pay for health insurance that I willingly gave up because I can't afford it?
It is a CRIME to FORCE anyone to do something against their will.
Mort Zuckerman is the biggest ass on the planet. Pat is right - she CANNOT "Force" people to buy insurance - young people who do not buy insurance ARE making a RATIONAL decision to pay their other bills instead.
I'm with Tucker - I'll fight against this to the death.
Besides, it is a violation of the First Amendment - I truly do believe that they are poisoning us, and "Universal Healthcare" will require vaccines that mame and kill.
I WILL move to an Amish community if this happens - they are exempt from all the Socialist programs that the rest of us are slaves to (well, at least so far they have won all the court cases on religious grounds; I'm sure Hillary will try to change that).
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!
Bump-please !!
we are not free if we aren't willing to defend Liberty
we are not free if we aren't willing to defend Liberty
Just a thought....about OUR constitution
What if we each got a copy of the constitution and added our own names to it, each one of us, individually. Then we send them to congress in DC and each state congress. Let them know as one of their constituants (the ones who put them in office) that we fully support the constitution and hope that they adhere to it,or we will determine their public service career for them. We could even ask them to sign it as an affirmation of their commitment to support and defend this g-d d-mn piece of paper (as GWBush called it). We are not free if we aren't willing to defend Liberty. Patriot4Paul... let me know what ya'll think. Should this be a seperate post on it's own?
we are not free if we aren't willing to defend Liberty
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Bumping myself. Want to get at least 15 comments so I can at least consider a conversation has taken place.
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I started the post about starting a new country.....
First I would like to say if you read my post, it says plan B....so of course my FIRST priority is to save this one. Unfortunately, we are against a large and powerful establishment.
I really just threw the idea out there to see who was seriously considering something like starting a new country.
Whether you are for starting a new country or not, we need to do something, and fast. If RP does not win, I fear we will have seen our last presidential election process.
I am all for any other alternative idea including what you wrote above. I just want to simply live in freedom and peace as stated in the Constitution.
Whatever it is we need to do, we need to get on with it, organize, and put our plans into action......
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A perfect God is not made imperfect by imperfect people.
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GiveMeLiberty
No offense or defamation at all intended, and I apologize if my written word comes off that way. Just wanted a bit of a back story, and it appears the repliers to your post were as a whole looking more toward the plan B action and not offering much in the plan A course (my preferred choice).
I would like to say I do appreciate the post here, as I would like these ideas in the forefront of all of our minds and not forget that these ideas were actively contemplated by our founders at one point in time as well. And, they fought the English Empire for a lot less than what we face today.
Very Respectfully,
Jeremiah Perkins
I want my country restored to it's Constitutional roots too!
I'm with you.
That is why I say we take back the original 13
Go back to the idea of united states as a federalist nation.
the 13 was sort of the
the 13 was sort of the reason why the republic continues to fail. too many bandaids, the constitution is a basis for law and if the gov is too corrupt or failing its obligations it has to be re-administered to the best by the bill of rights. i think it would be better to use Ron Paul's judgment on how the revolution should be fought and get the 50 states more independently unified. this is what the neocon neolib battle is all about. the American Union and the global grid of the world bank and social power grid. conspiracy is to harm another with help and without the victims suspecting and a 15 year sentence.
we gotta chase columbus back across the atlantic!!!!!!!1