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White people have no home and now your Christianity

We have been hearing this for a while. The Christian religion is now attacked on the land and now you have no home.

This might take me a few posts to address and I have in the past in a harsh way, a sattirical way in that I long for the day, oh white Christians that one day,

one day your religion might not be persecuted in the way mine has, that one day your prayers might be heard in schools and answered and you would no longer face persectution so you could build churches on this land with tall steeples that reach up into the sky and that bibles be placed in every hotel room and in every jail and that you might even have Christian television networks and radio stations, keep your faith and one day this might even become true.

And that was sattire and I meant it to hurt. And more.

Yes and I have heard that you might soon become a minority on this land, THIS VERY LAND and you are afraid of this and wonder "where will white people have a home?"

Well in the midst of this I have some good news. You have a home, oh White people and it's called Europe. An allow me to explain what you might have forgotten.

See your people are white and you come from a place called Europe and it's the only place white people were made. And it's a WHOLE CONTINENT and it's YOURS.

Asian people come from Asia. That's why they look Asian. They got their own WHOLE CONTINENT.

A lot of brown people come from the mid-east. That's where they come from and they got their own subcontinent.

Black people come from Africa. That's where they were made and they got their own WHOLE CONTINENT to dwell upon.

Similarly Americans are red and they come from America. And America is two continents: North and South. There is North America and South America. See, everybody had a place and yours is called EUROPE.

See how that works? We all came from a place and coming from a place is called HOME and that's where yours is. All the way across the Atlantic Ocean. And it seems you are futher confused but I will attempt to explain:

You started out in Europe and then you came here and that is why you are not the only color here. You tried to kill everybody else who was here first (red) but you kinda tired out along the way and didn't kill all of us and that might have been a mistake. But to further complicate things, you stole a bunch of black people and imported them here and that is why there are black people here. See, black people don't come from here any more than you do. You are not INDIGENOUS to here and neither are black people and neither are asians. Everybody but red people did not originally come from here and that is why you all feel lost here. Or why your position is FUNDAMENTALLY INSECURE. And the reason why is to be here you had to beat people to be here or bring them here from someplace else.

Bear with me, I know this is a very different concept to you but it will make sense in a bit. The thing is this: for whatever your reaons, you snuck up on the people here here and started taking stuff because you could. And then because this was such hard work you stole people from Africa and make them do the work. And to do that you had to destroy the identity of these peoples and deprive them of independence and joy because that is how you make a slave of a people: you destroy them and deprive them of the medicines that kept them alive for all time time that existed between when Creator made us until you decided that your plans were more important than Creator's will for the various peoples.

And you are a very singular race for while this process of conquor/enslave is in no way unique to you, you just happened to be better at it and you are to this day.

If this seems improbable or impossible consider this: since you have been here in the Americas, no African nation has come here to make war on you and take it from you. Neither has any asian nation. Neither has no brown people from the mideast done so. Neither did any red people come here to persecute upon you. Never even once. We were already here as red people, we were spared the trouble of padding our canoes across either ocean. What you have done instead is make war and invade EVERY SINGLE OTHER PEOPLE ON EVERY CONTINENT ON THIS PLANET.

But each and every single one of you of white faces came from Europe. And you were very good at it. Better than anybody else.

So allow me to make a few suggestions: when you say "nigger go home" what you ought to do is buy them airplane tickets because you invented airplanes.

STARTING TO GET IT? YOU INVENTED A SOLUTION.

Similarly for other peoples you kidnapped. And also if you want to stop the brown people of the mideast from coming here, all you needed to do was stop going to their part of town and stop making war on them. You didn't need to do that but you did. And you do not relent even unto this day.

In a very similar way, you do not need to continue to try to dominate the yellow people of Asia. You could but you do not.

And you could just go home to your ancestral homeland where you truly belong but this seems unthinkable to you and perhaps it is.

See you aren't as good at this as you think you are. You started a genocide here in the Americas but you didn't finish the job. And now I think you wish you would have because we did not give up this land lightly, we tried to fight you with what we had and you didn't kill us all until WE ARE ABLE TO CURSE YOU.

AND now you live on this land under a curse.

What a bummer dudes. Because you gave us an opportunity to see who you really are. And what you are is "pugnacious" in other words you are a militant and war-like people unlike anything this continents, the Americas has ever known. Your power-projection capability is unlike anything the world has ever seen and that has enabled you to make war on ALL THE CONTINENTS ON THIS PLANET AND YOU WON. YOU GOT IT ALL.

For a while but what you have done is engendered hate for you among all people on all continents and not only that, now that you have conquored all for a while it seemed fine but now your warlike attitude needs more people to conquor SO NOW YOU MAKE WAR ON YOURSELVES and we see this in every day life. Your cops now beat up on you because we are no more and a killer needs to kill and a thug needs victims and since us red people aren't really anymore, well, all you got is you now.

THIS WAS ALL PROPHECIED. When you have cut down the last tree and dammed the last salmon, only then will you discover that MONEY CANNOT BE EATEN.

And here you are so many generations later realizing this very thing. But it's taking a very long time as many of you say GOLD IS MONEY, GOLD IS REAL MONEY.

I can tell you it's not but not many of you will believe us. Gold is just yellow metal. You can't eat it either. You cannot drink it unless it's molten and if you do it will kill you because gold melts and becomes liquid at a very higher temperature than your body can withstand: you burn to death quickly at anything over 140 degrees because that's what's required to slow cook a chicken. It doesn't even take that. 120 degrees will kill you if you stay in it longer than just a few hours.

And I can tell you to stop as we have. STOP! YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND LIVE! YOU CAN'T POLLUTE THE LAND AND THE WATERS AND THE AIR AND LIVE but you won't stop. You never have, you are not now and you never will. You are a warrior race unlike any other and when you run out of others to kill you will simply kill yourselves and THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW and that is why you have trained your protectors (you call them police) to simply kill with ever increasing ferocity. And that is why one of our latest medicine men, Russel Means said "you are the new indians" because now we watch you kill each other. And you can't stop as much as you try. And almost all of you will die and you will now watch your children go naked and poor and starving before your very eyes.

And now you have destroyed the land's capability to hearl you and you will never ever know how good it was and your children will suffer and you have nobody but yourself to blame but even now you will blame and seek to defeat and you will die. We have seen this in "ribbons on the land" (highways) we saw this in Glass House (united nations which you abhor) and (hosues in the sky) space stations and we have seen what you did to the trees and the sacred animals which you mistreat on such a scale that we cannot even now comprehend. But we have seen that you will go "into the sky" (space travel) and some of you will "survive" but make no mistake:

AT THAT POINT YOU WILL NO LONGER BE HUMAN BEINGS. AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY.

Just as all people in all colors came from specific parts of this Earth and it defines who we are, as soon as you leave this planet you will no longer be people of this planet. You only come from one place and it was here.

And soon. You will not be from here no matter how much you assert rights to that which you didn't create but you how the power to destroy.

And that is who you are or will be. And soon you will put the finishing touches on what you started and then this will no longer be your home. And maybe you shall find another but you will no longer be human by virtue of the fact that humans came from planet Earth.

See how that works? Well actually it doesn't matter.

It's already done and I personally don't shive a git if you make it.

We are native. We come from here and here we shall die.

Sorry if it sounds harsh but not really. Not even a little. Not even a bit. Not even at all.

Mitakuye Oyasin. This if your fist of my 4 teachings.

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Dumbest post ever...

I have not killed any red people nor have I imported any black people.

I had about as much choice in being born white and in America as anyone else being born red or black here.

It also makes me mad that

It also makes me mad that everything from Europe is good and things from Native America are 'suspect' at best. Why do we eat factory farmed/ antibiotic congested/ tortured cows instead of eating Buffalo?

Why does society condemn marijuana but wine, liqours, etc are OK? That is blatant double standard to say the least.

I do not think this post is so much condemning people. It is condemning people's attitude. It is asking society to change its ways. The Germans did apologize and change their ways after WWII and it benefited everybody.

Well if you hated this one maybe you will like the next

in which I tell you about possibly one of the greatest warriors ever known.

http://www.dailypaul.com/325308/and-now-i-will-tell-you-of-o...

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Receive the Medicine

Those replying about Individualism vs Collectivism are missing the point completely. There's strong medicine here for all us Whities. Our homelessness for example, our not being FROM this land and OF this land, has huge implications in the way relate to ourselves and others. Individuals we may be and yet there is medicine in seeing/feeling/getting what is IN us as White people that is common to other White people we'd denounce for having different ideas/positions. The medicine won't come from analyzing the message with the left brain. It's not about what is true or not about you, me or white/red/brown people. The medicine don't taste good... but it's medicine... and it can work some healing if you don't spit it out. To identify yourself only as individualist is to imply that not only without a home, you are without a people. To have a people is not to be 'collectivist' and not an individual... but my invitation is not to reason this out, but to look for the medicine...

Yup

it might taste horrible but the person administering it is trying to help.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Shoshone tribe named Obama

Gave him name of Sitting Eagle. The son of one of the Elders asked why named Sitting Eagle. The elder said. We give all President's names. We gave Sitting Eagle name to Obama because he is so full of crap he cant fly.

Money talks and dogs bark

Upvoted to encourage you

to come up with something new. I mean come on that's like the oldest joke in the world. Yeah it's still funny but with just a bit of application I am sure you can come up with something better.

;)

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Thanks

But I just recently heard the joke.Sometimes takes awhile to reach the back hills of Tenn. Plus I live in a holler. Not to be confused with a hollow.

Money talks and dogs bark

Don't get mad at him

It's most likely just the side effects from the Obamacare medicine he gets from the welfare dept.

I killed the Indians? So

I killed the Indians? So sorry. I know I had quite a bit of Jager last night but I thought the whole Indian genocide thing was ~130-200 years before me.

If not, my bad.

But as far as I know, my ancestors (at least on my dad's side) fled their "home" near Frankfurt because many German princes and lords (including in Hesse, where my family was from) would press their own subjects into slavery/soldiery, then rent them out to die for other kings around the world. Fearing that the chaos of the French revolution would lead to another huge war, my family left Hesse-Kassel and arrived in Baltimore around 1800 and eventually settled in Schuykill county near Philly by about 1806.

Everyone's ancestors have been oppressed. We are still oppressed. Collectivism and sweeping generalizations only serve to bring us down further.

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OK I get it, maybe this will help

It's kind of unique to your culture or race (whatever) to measure time in seconds. We have a much more expansive view of time, we measure it not in seconds or minutes or hours, we measure time beyond generations, we masure time in EONS. So what happened 100 or 200 years ago to us is YESTERDAY. And the past to us is the present and the future because IT'S ALL HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

Would you allow me right now to take your simple appology as sincere? Because the instant you do that, our ancestors will be shaking hands in heaven and this curse will be lifted from you and we can dance and sing.

You are forgiven.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Individualism.

The battle of Individualism vs. Collectivism rages on.
It seems, by reading your post, Collectivism still has a strong lead.

Some here need to.

Clear there thoughts of bad energy and thoughts. Maybe a double dose of smudging for a little more harmony and peace. Time for a three mile walk and to thank the creator of heaven and earth. Yes sweating does get rid of toxins. Bodily and mentally. Plus thank him for being able to walk. 82 degrees and sunny in Tenn. High 94 today. The success or demise of all humans are in hands of all people.

Money talks and dogs bark

Be very cautious when choosing your mentor

Smudge, I'm at home here in America, I'm not leaving just because you desire to live in the past. God gave to each of us this world to live in. We should be able to live anywhere we desire contrary to your desire of locking differing races in separate nations or continents.

You mentioned Russell Means so I'll assume he's a mentor of yours. Let me draw light to his vision in which he stated the following words, he desires "indigenous people to be free...Free to be human, free to travel, free to stop, free to trade where they choose, free to choose their own teachers, free to follow the religion of their fathers, free to talk, think and act for themselves." Smudge, these are freedoms most on this web site do share and do fight for. We also seek these for all people, not just the so called "indigenous" ones. The reservations are a mistake and the Indians truly are missing out on living freedom. I do not see them living now as they did hundreds of years ago. Today, Indian casino's are a big thing here.

With out going deeper into this man's ideas, lets just say I could agree with this "vision" as described above. There's a problem with following the religion of "their fathers". You and I would have to agree that some tribal religions may no longer go around stealing young girls from enemy tribes and sacrificing them to some earthly idol come spring time. Denying this ritual would require denying the cult, i.e. their father's religion.

This is one example where our Constitution, Christianity and God's laws are better for man and may be the reason for "your father's" succumbing to a life on a reservation, maybe the land has spewed you out. I would fight against that type of behavior as you would too, I'd hope. Jesus Christ is the perfect example for men to live by and may we all migrate towards Him some day.

As for Mr. Means, this racist quote is from his most famous speech in 1980 and his references to the term European.

"It's very possible to grow into a red face with a white mind; and if that's a person's individual choice, so be it, but I have no use for them. This is part of the process of cultural genocide being waged by Europeans against American Indian peoples' today."

Sounds very similar to people such as Jessie Jackstone or Al Shrapnal. Mr. Means also mentioned names used such as apples, Oreo, coconuts, on and on. He says this as if one's worldview should match it's outer skin color. To me, Mr. Means is displaying his racism, which is very prevalent in your own posts, Mr. Smudge.

Smudge, the dearest and most decent laws transcend all of the races. They are called inalienable rights and they exist for us and put above us via the Laws of Nature and Nature's God. No person, institutions nor governments are to suppress these rights. We are all one people in God's eyes. There is but one Godly direction for humans to live and that is via holy Bible. There are no other Gods. In America we have the freedom to live that way.

As your mentor Mr. Means likes to sign off in his letters or posts, lets do it here, "May the Great Mystery continue to guide and protect the paths of you and your loved ones." Smudge, you should look at that deeper and consider "the Great Mystery or that unknown god" being the God of the Bible and you've been ignoring Him all this time. He's not a mystery, you can get to know Him. Acts 17:16-34

Sadly, Smudge, you appear to be who you follow...a great mystery. Please spare us from posting your next three lessons.

Have a blessed day.

Trusting in Him.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

You had me until the very bottom

You want to be spared and yet Russel spared nothing.

Russell Means was not my mentnor but I belong to a sub-order of his "phratry". He was of the warrior caste and and I was a Dream Dancer which is a sub order or the Dog Soldiers but my only weapons are to be song and dance and we view ourselves to be "spirit warriors". And if you want to know the tradition, it's Harry Bird One Prayer.

Russell is now lightning. Talk to him any time you want.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Would you mind?

Would you mind pointing me to factual evidence proving this ever happened in North America?

"There's a problem with following the religion of "their fathers". You and I would have to agree that some tribal religions may no longer go around stealing young girls from enemy tribes and sacrificing them to some earthly idol come spring time. Denying this ritual would require denying the cult, i.e. their father's religion."

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Sure...

I don't like to believe it either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_people

Look for Morning Star ritual.

Thank you for asking.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Small tiny syntactical correction

no big deal but we don't do "rituals" we do "ceremony". Just like our sotries aren't "myths" they are stories. They are all just stories.

Maybe the difference is a "ritual" is something done out of habit but when we do ceremony IT'S REAL AND IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

Small corretion that will keep you from getting bitched out at powowows.

See that? I care about you. I just saved you a major ragging.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I'll check it out

Thank you. But there is something to remember in this, It is important to not stereotype when referring to the tribes or their "Rituals". What gave you the idea Smudge is Pawnee? I think Smudge is a historically peaceful Hopi or Navajo.

I am Chickasaw and as far as I know we never had "Savage Cult Rituals" like you say. In fact until Anglos came the majority of the indigenous peoples were ungreedy, peaceful and sharing "voluntaryists".

It would be the same to stereotype all Christian faith sects based on the "Kind" actions of the First Puritans:

http://www.manataka.org/page269.html

The Native American civilized form of Government was the inspiration for our first anglo US Government.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Chickasaw! Hey insheeking neeonerat!

I think you might be the first Chickasaw I ever met!

Insheeking neeonerat insheeking neeonerat, insheeking neeonerat, insheeking neeonerat,

WILIGISHK'U! Greetings from Llennape!

I know absolutely nothing about your people. We were fish mongers. I think that's the only thing of importance we ever did. But we used to own NYC. It was called Man-hat-a'an, the "Island Of Small Hills".

I make a digital offering of tocacco to your elders. It would be nice to smoke with you.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I see like the Crow and the Raven

Your ancestors may have also liked shiny Beads :) It would be nice to smoke with you too brother.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I didn't

Where did I say Smudge was Pewanee? I didn't.

I said, "some tribal religions."

Where did I say Chickasaw had "Savage Cult Rituals"? I didn't, but I understand you wanting to be a bit defensive for yourself and Smudge.

So, please, don't put words on my post which are not there.

I didn't stereo type.

I do notice who you just attacked, i.e. me, and that you had posted no comments against what Mr. Smudge Pot had to post. I'm not saying you have to but you did choose to post somewhere else instead.

Thank you for the reminder but it wasn't needed.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

And I didn't

Attack you. Smudge was also wrong for stereotyping Christians and Anglos. And yes indeed did you tie Smudge with his Father's religion, then tied that to Pawnee rituals, then refered to them all as cults. All before even knowing what tribe Smudge was from or what their historical rituals actually consisted of. Read it again, because I would not have replied at all if not :)

But your both right about one thing, Factual historical events cannot be changed and there is no justification for any of the evil.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Oh hey stop action for just one moment

we're good. this is all just talk.if i used terminology that indicated some sort of problem it was mis-applied poetry. i appreciate you. so resume action, let's have a good time.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I'm surprised to read all of this anti individualism here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_Creek_massacre

Folks have a need to be "we" and "you", in order to feel cozy with being on the red team, or the black team or the white team, but unfortunately, then continue on to demonize them.

You seem to be confused. I didn't invent airplanes and didn't say, "nigger go home". I'm an individual that doesn't particularly like being pigeonholed because I'm part of a sub-group of humans.

This isn't the first time you've(Smudge Pot) condescended because you have some indian heritage and need to rub white folks nose in their European-ness.

Like your indian-ness was cooler.

Nope.

I readily found historical evidence of native American Indians performing ritual mutilations, scalping, tongues being removed, beheading, hands and feet removed, cannibalism, etc., hundreds of years before the Europeans you revile, had an effect on the cultures of North America.

Historically, the North American Indian sounds like ISIS. Roaming around beheading their neighbors, mutilating and raping the women and cannibalizing the out-of-towners. Amputating hands like the Tutsis and the Hutus.

Is that you? --->Smudge Pot

Libertarians believe that Smudge Pot only has to bear guilt for his own actions in this one life, but conversely cannot take credit for what his ancestors said and did.

That's the deal.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

c'mon, man

The libertarian philosophy originates 50% from European written word (Locke, etc.) and 50% from Native American practical living. It was the mixing of these two cultures that sowed the seeds of liberty in the colonies.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Wow so many levels here

so many ways to answer...

the reason for the racism is to try to get you (justa dude born long after the sins of your fathers) is to try to help you understand some of the static you will get. In short words, and this example is global, every time you find a nation or a culture or a society DEVASTATED by another, we all end up totally screwed up and disfunctional. Take the example of "the blacks", most of them were enslaved and just horribly treated and it takes a VERY LONG TIME for that memory to wash out.

Look at our Civil War in the USA, that happened generations ago but people still bear that HURT and resentment. And what did you have to do with that?

Not a Gods blessed thing young one. But it's still something you have to deal with. So hopefully you can understand. And understanding it not condoning, it's not agreeing, it's not sanctioning or authorizing. It's a tool.

Aho?

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

hey if you didn't like this one

you are really gonna hate part II.

Part II is how you kill yourselves and how you do it eveery day.

Saw them litsten and i heard them say; pink moon is on it's way , and none of ye stand so tall, pink moon is gona get ye all

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

does this mean we can't mix?

awwwwwwww ;)