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Did Pope Francis declare with prayer on worldwide television that Lucifer is the father of Jesus? You tell me



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No, this is not correct and I am a Buddhist and not necessarily.

.. Actually, I am a devout Buddhist, but I love and study the teachings of Jesus Christ and love Christ with all my heart (even though I may be considered at a heretic, but thats besides the point) and wish more people understood his actual teachings (yes, I do still believe in his divinity)... Having said that, please read the Catholic encyclopedia/Catholic dictionary, it says Lucifer is a word that in the bible means "light bearer" more than it does Satan. They actually say that Lucifer is an incorrect name of Satan. Its more of a title to describe pre Satanic lucifer than Satan himself. They say that only modern Protestants started using the word Lucifer to describe Satan only more recently. Do the google searches and you will see.

Ron Paul 2012

Who cares?

"Religions" are all cut from the same cloth. That cloth is fictional. Who cares what they call their characters? The Catholic church is a protector of pedophiles, so there is no justification for anyone to still support that evil empire. Any church that hordes wealth when their congregation is starving is the antithesis of the principal of Christianity. It is only generational brainwashing that keeps these impostors afloat. Real spirituality doe not require a middle man.

It's a bad translation.

It is not enough to simply translate from one language to another. One must also correctly understand the connotation.

It wouldn't make sense for the Pope to say that even if go213mph is correct. Too many Catholics would balk at that pronouncement.

Uh..... (sigh).... no

Whoever made this Youtube is just another knee jerk, juvenile Catholic hater and has cut and pasted several films together, and offered a questionable translation of Latin, to create yet another sleezy "shocking" Youtube to prove his ignorant beliefs.

First of all, the cannonization Mass for John Paul II and John XXIII was held OUTSIDE, as the initial blurry film indicates. The rest of the film is obviously INSIDE St Peter's basilica..... so right there we don't have some huge plot by the Pope to get millions of people to see this... (accompanied by such dour music.... OOOOOO). We have a you tuber putting SOMETHING together to suit his preconceived ideas.

Secondly, the man singing (who is obviously not the Pope) is singing one of the readings at a Mass, which came from the Bible..... HOWEVER, we don't know that he sang all of it at the same time, since the film switches to shots of the cardinals from time to time. So we really don't know if this was all one reading.

There are references to Lucifer throughout the Bible,
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Lucifer/
and Lucifer means, by the way " Bright Morning Star", which is probably one thing said in the Latin.

Lucifer is never referred to as the father of Jesus in the Bible anywhere...... but, of course, if one WANTS to cut and paste and translate to prove a point.... in this day and age, one can do that.

I just expected more from members of the DP community. (sigh)

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The king of Babylon is called something similar in Isaiah 14 if one were to read it in context.

You are correct...

.. Actually, I am a devout Buddhist, but I love and study the teachings of Jesus Christ and love Christ with all my heart (even though I may be considered at a heretic, but thats besides the point) and wish more people understood his actual teachings (yes, I do still believe in his divinity)... Having said that, please read the Catholic encyclopedia/Catholic dictionary, it says Lucifer is a word that in the bible means "light bearer" more than it does Satan. They actually say that Lucifer is an incorrect name of Satan. Its more of a title to describe pre Satanic lucifer than Satan himself. They say that only modern Protestants started using the word Lucifer to describe Satan only more recently. Do the google searches and you will see.

Ron Paul 2012

You expect more?

So do I. As someone who has 900 years of ministers in my background, including an Archbishop of Canterbury, I did not blindly follow my ancestor's lead. Philosophically and historically the Bible fails to convince me that it was written by an all powerful supreme being. Are we to believe that God is not as clever as say, Mark Twain, Victor Hugo or even Henry James? Outside of a few catchy phrases the Bible is really inept at giving one the tools for a successful life. Are we suppose to accept something on "faith" and forgo reason? Don't get me wrong. Everyone needs a moral compass and a standard for behavior, but the Bible is not the tool for understanding human nature and and the necessary rights of a human being to reach their full potential and still respect the rights of others. Your time spent decoding fiction is a waste of a good mind.

Mystery Babylon 1-42

"The Roman Empire never died, it just changed it's shape and became the Roman Catholic Church and Caesar became Pope. The Catholic Church is the Synthesis of the pagan Mystery Religion and Christianity. The Catholic Church and the Mystery Religion have been at war throughout history. The Mystery Religion has infiltrated and secured the Catholic church and is gaining control over the world's religions through ecumenism. Forging a new religion for the New World Order through unification on common grounds to ultimately bring all religions under the dominion of the Mystery Religion. The World Council of Churches. Plus more."

http://remnantradio.org/Archives/articles/William%20Cooper/M...

The end is surely coming soon

under the Antichrist Catholic system CalGirl, hold tight it is gonna get rough. God bless.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I was raised Catholic

... so this was hard to take at first. Mark Passio does an excellent job of pointing out the undeniable astro-theological symbolism in the worlds three major religions starting around show 37 and on up thru 47, 48, 49, 50, etc.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast?start=100

And Santa Claus hides out at

And Santa Claus hides out at the center of the Earth with the Easter Bunny and Jack Skellington.

You know

for me I can't even tell who my great grandparents were. I never saw them, They died before I was born. I don't even know their name. This is why I find this debate kinda stupid.

The Bible says a similar thing.

The Bible says a similar thing.

And this hymn is at least as old as the 13th century but likely goes further back to the beginning of the Church. It's just Latin.

EDIT- This is the Exsultet hymn and that part is just Latin for "Morning Star". It's not new at all. I don't understand why people downvote factual information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsultet

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Translation:

O truly blessed night,
when things of heaven are wed to those of earth,
and divine to the human.

Therefore, O Lord,
we pray you that this candle,
hallowed to the honour of your name,
may persevere undimmed,
to overcome the darkness of this night.
Receive it as a pleasing fragrance,
and let it mingle with the lights of heaven.
May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen.

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Sorry,don't sing what he said

The subtitles could be wrong for all i know
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Leave an indelible mark on all of those that you meet.
OH... have fun day :)
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I did a google translate on it but it was

hard to do because of some weird symbols above letters, seems 3 youtubes of it came to the same conclusion on what it says.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

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I don't know,

But constantine would bow to the morning sun,and if one squints,they see the cross,constantine was not a christian by any stretch
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Leave an indelible mark on all of those that you meet.
OH... have fun day :)
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The Pope is the devil

Religion is so fcuking stupid. Wake the fcuk up...

Mark 4:10

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

so christ was

deliberately keeping the mysteries of heaven obfuscated. and those who understand shall be given more, while those who don't understand shall have what he has taken away.

Christ

In my opinion as I have heard, if Jesus had wanted His church to be in a building, He would have set up shop in Damascus.

Instead He reigns wherever someone asks Him into their heart, but only willingly -

There is no one who can describe this for another that I know of accurately. I truly believe there is a God of Heaven and Earth - just ask to be shown the way by the Creator of all life, stars oceans etc i.e the real God....ask for two weeks, at the dawn of each day
in my opinion the Existence of... the One Creator will show up.

In Peace and Love
solomonsgold

Understandest thou what thou readest?

Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them [to this end], that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith. And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

why would anyone

give the secrets of everlasting life to someone who does not diligently seek them or want them? The path to being a true Christian is not an easy one, it requires sincere study in order to go through the trials being a true Christian offer. Christ desires a full relationship with us, a true one, not a half hearted one, as we all want with someone we choose to confide in. Hope that helps clarify it a bit.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

do you have a reason?

i don't have an answer to your question.

To be a true Christian

we have to seek God, and die to our flesh. When the Bible speaks of repentance, repentance is not praying every time you sin, it is changing course, it is the act of not sinning anymore. This requires us to die to our fleshly desires. Let me tell you, it is not easy, I struggle every day against my flesh, it likes all kinds of bad things. Jesus struggled in the flesh even with temptation, temptation is not sin, acting on it is. People have a skewed view of what being a true Christian is today because there are so many untrue Christians due to false doctrine spoken of by most churches. We cannot stop sinning on our own, we must abide in Jesus Christ and Him in us if we are to overcome sin. Jesus will not come into your life if you want a half hearted relationship with Him, what friend wants to be a half of a friend? The Bible tells us we cannot be luke warm. I hope this helps a little in explaining, but the Bible will help explain it more if you decide to take a gander at it. God bless.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I see

thanks for that