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"Pseudo-Catholic" political groups being financed by George Soros

Catholics United is posing as a Catholic organization when in reality they are attacking Catholic and Christian fundamental beliefs. They could as well have created a 'United Jewish anti-defamation League' and started spreading Nazi propaganda.


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Catholic Lefts??

So, just to be clear. Are the Catholic Lefts left because they support Democrats or, are they Democrats because they are Catholic Lefts? It's a chicken and egg thing. If there are Lefts, are there Rights? Which would make the Rights Republicans? And what about Independents? I guess they would have to be Episcopalians. Rather convenient that we can put a 2000+ year old religion into nice little political boxes that line up with our 200+ year old government. Are we that egocentric?


Who's judging them as "pseudo" Catholics?

If they were raised with typical Catholic indoctrination via Catholic school or required catechism classes and mandatory weekly mass attendance for their entire childhoods and into adulthood, I'd call them... Catholics.

At least by the end of the article, what I think is a more appropriate term was used: "the Catholic Left." That is, surely to the chagrin of the pope/church, not all Catholics think alike. Some are more free thinking. Just as there are Protestants with different political persuasions. Perhaps different views on political matters stem in part from having different spiritual revelations or revelations related to the Word, that is, the Holy Bible.

And I do see a difference between what's in the Bible and what you might hear taught in churches. Which of the two (if either) matches the apparently heretical views of these so-called "pseudo-Catholics?" Or is this not a matter of what's in the Bible but, rather, a disagreement with the opinions of mere mortals?

Regarding Catholics being able to read the Bible for themselves, "Far from championing the spread of the Bible, and the translation into the vernacular, the Catholic Church has a history of repression and censorship in this regard." http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/banned.htm

I'm glad that more Christians of all stripes are reading the Bible these days. I only came to do so late in life. Better late than never.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Where did the Bible come from?

Who codified it and proclaimed it to be the Word of God? Who preserved it down through the ages and translated it from Hebrew and Aramaic to Latin, the universal language?

Minnesota Mary


I'm sorry, but proclaiming that the Latin Church alone has a monopoly on defending the scriptures does a gross disservice to history, not to mention Eastern Christendom. The NT was in Greek long before it was available in Latin, until the 19th century almost every bible east of Hungary was in Greek (aka the Septuagint) and the canon was set prior to any of the councils that you are probably going to mention.

I have one question for you. If Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, why did he spend almost no time there throughout his entire life?

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Pope Francis has

not spent much time in Rome either, but he is indisputably the Bishop of Rome and Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church. Peter died in Rome as the Bishop of Rome and Pontiff. It makes no difference if he was there twenty years or only one year. The Roman Emperor certainly knew who Peter was and that he was the leader of the Christian faith, and that is why he had him put to death on the cross as our Lord predicted.

Minnesota Mary

What's your point?

What's your point?

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Just checking...

to see if you know the origins of the Bible. Would you care to share your knowledge of how we Christians came to acquire the Bible?

Minnesota Mary

No problem. Just thought maybe your question had some point.

No, I don't have anything to share, either.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I received my religious education from a

private Catholic academy and from a Catholic University, both of which continue to have very high academic standards for admission. Contrary to your comment and link, the study and understanding of the Bible were absolutely required. I was NEVER "indoctrinated" and I find your use of that word very inappropriate to describe the Catholic education that I and very many others received over the course of years. I was fortunate to have had top quality teachers and professors in my religious studies, which I continued on my own after graduation.

Post Vatican II, the parishes began Bible study classes that were not so wonderful, so I continued my studies elsewhere. I am grateful for the religious education I received, not only from my Church (pre-Vatican II), but from other Christian denominations and non-Christian religious philosophies.

BTW, abortion is NOT condoned by the Catholic Church and any Catholic who believes abortion is okay is not a Catholic in good standing with the Church. (I remember seeing a televised Mass where a whole bunch of political figures from around the world were present. When it came time for Communion, the priest refused to give Rudy Giuliani the sacrament, because he was known to be pro-abortion.) However, the Church will grant a special dispensation for some specific cases, on a case by case basis. That isn't being hypocritical. It's being merciful when mercy is called for.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Indoctrination was the word I meant. I don't know why

you should find it inappropriate. "Full Definition of INDOCTRINATE
transitive verb
1: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle"
Mirrian-Webster http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indoctrinate

I'm glad you had a good experience with your Catholic schooling. To go by statistics re Bible literacy (something I read back in 2007 or so), it wouldn't appear to be typical.

When I read that most Americans couldn't so much as name the first book of the Bible (let alone had they read it), I started to ask around among my friends - not many but most of whom were Catholic. (All had also raised their children Catholic, though not all continued to attend mass themselves, and one had converted after a divorce.) None could name the first book of the Bible.

I got two of my friends to read the Bible with me on a daily basis - one the whole Bible; one the New Testament (on line, a reading plan via BibleGateway). One was *amazed* at the stories of Jesus, so-o many people He had healed of such divers diseases over such a short period of time. He said he knew Jesus had healed people, but it wasn't the same to read all the stories for yourself. He admitted he'd never before opened a Bible. In fact, he'd grown up under the impression Catholics weren't supposed to read the Bible. When he finally read it and found it so inspiring, he asked a priest about that. Yikes, you'd think he'd touched upon some scandal. He got passed up the hierarchy. Seems no one wanted to answer him. P.S. I didn't say and don't mean to imply that this is a Catholic issue. It's a Christian issue. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/may/25.38.html

I still think it's funny to call left-wing Catholics "pseudo-Catholics." It's not as if they were raised Protestant or Jewish or Muslim or atheist and were just "posing" as Catholics. They were raised Catholic, went to Catholic churches, and had education in Catholic beliefs and customs. They were raised Catholic and have Catholic as their self-identity yet are considered "pseudo-Catholics" because their beliefs don't entirely match Catholic... doctrine.

I didn't understand Mary's point asking what she did about the Bible. I hope she'll explain.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I was not indoctrinated and I KNOW the definition of the word.

I also know the difference between indoctrination and education. I was EDUCATED in my religion and in the Bible. My peers and I were never discouraged from asking tough questions and doing our own research. In fact, when I did wander off from time to time, I ended up right back at the Catholic Church. I always found myself enriched with new levels of understanding and appreciation for the depth of spiritual sustenance I find in Roman Catholic theology.

Judaism and Buddhism also have that great depth of spirituality and I thoroughly appreciate that. In fact, I've known Catholic priests who also practice Buddhism, as it compliments Catholic theology quite well. The spiritual richness of Judaism is carried over into the Catholic faith, as that is where its roots are. But, having been born into a Catholic family, I have come to believe that is the path God chose for me to follow.

I gotta wonder about some people though. They show all the signs of having been indoctrinated, as they parrot things over and over and don't bother to even try to comprehend why anyone would question them and their beliefs. It's sad when they cannot respond with anything except false accusations of hate and bigotry and uncalled for condescending remarks.

If a Catholic lives his or her faith and reads the daily liturgy with the Bible passages chosen in context and in accordance with the liturgical seasons and reflects on them each day, he or she will have read AND actually STUDIED, the entire Bible (with comprehension of the culture and context) in three years.

Here's my (well known by now) mantra: Never leave your brains outside the doors of any Church before entering. (Also, note my new signature. Finally found one that resonated perfectly with me.)

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

There are certain basic

There are certain basic tenets in the Catholic faith. So, for example, if you do not believe in Jesus Christ then you are not a Catholic by definition. Another tenet of the Catholic faith is concerning traditional marriage (this comes from Saint Paul). This group is clearly against the basics of the Catholic faith and I would add against the tenents of most Christian denominations and even Islam.

I agree with you that there may be some disagreements in terms of politics. For example, many priests when seeing the injustices in Latin America took a Marxist and revolutionary turn. I can see and agree with their position since they are still holding the basic tenents of the Catholic Church.

Not surprising.

This pile of human excrement has made his life's work meddling in the politics of other countries. It's sad that the guy was able to come to so much money, he has done a lot of damage.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

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Soros actually helped the Nazis confiscate weapons from the Jews


(Although he euphemistically says "property" rather than "guns" in this 60 Minutes interview.)

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