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"I Hate American Tyranny! Oooh But Please Give Me Putin/Gaddafi/Assad!"

What is wrong with some of my "liberty" brethren?!??!?! Actually, this is not meant for my libertarian friends. This is meant for the purely anti american/anti american government/extremist populists... I am so disgusted by some of you, that I've been wanting to post this for a LONG TIME and after watching Putin's defense for his PURELY TYRANNICAL laws against his own people, I realized, its time to bring the fight on. I'm anticipating a lot of venom, but what's right is right, bring it on!

Just be honest, you tyrant defenders, you are not "libertarians." I am a libertarian and I love my country, but I hate my government. I hate any man who thinks that by force and by money they can control another man. Thats what the US government is, thats what Putin is, thats what Assad is, What Gaddafi was, Saddam Hussein was, thats what Hitler was, thats what Stalin was, etc etc etc. yet these same FOOLS who decry US hegemony and US world dominance, APPLAUD AND DEFEND PUTIN!!!

Putin, really? The man who is lying to the whole world while invading Ukrain (I was NOT a fan of US involvement into Ukraine and believed Crimea has a right to succession, but whats going on now is pure murder and tyranny of violence of one state over another).

Don't call yourselves liberty lovers. You are anti Americans, that's it. Leave it there....

You are NOT libertarians I've watched you defend a DICTATOR who is Putin. He has put in prison every political opponent who has been a threat. Read vice news on his cronyism during the Olympics. The man is an evil man. So is the US. But don't trade one tyrant for another!

During World War II and after Hitler's defeat, many people were horrified when all the Hitler worship cult of personality images were taken down, but instead of freedom and no more cult worship, all the images were replaced by Stalin worship....

See! That's what you fools want. You don't want the images of US Hegemony taken down, like myself and many others on this website, you want the images REPLACED with another tyrant in hegemony!

You make me sick, honestly, because you masquerade your selves as libertarians



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As a possible concluding post, I wanted to lighten up..

So for fun, not debate, I actually have thought about the idea that if I had a gun to my head by a magic existentially serious nonsensical "one or the other" choices in a uncle scrough's ghost guide of the supernaturally clairvoyant foretell able/fortold future of mystic pre destined nature, and this warlock mystery forced your choice of totalitarian regime you had to choose... So with a genie and his gun to my head, I had to pick an unlimited central admin that has at the least, tyrannical powers of a junta or fascist authoritarian regime, yet trust to be the least oppressive choice, or die?.. Well, admittedly, I would not be a martyr over a shitty luck unfortunate environment or regime, like I would in a foreign invasion and attempted occupation....
But again, if I had to pick an unlimited government regime, it would be...... Assad? Well, suprisingly I admire him for his arab roots and fearless protection of minorities, in an islamist fundamentalist growing age, but I know hes done horribe things, regardless if he regrets it... But I would indefinitely, without a doubt, indubitably I would choose......

To be loyal to HIM (His Imperial Majesty) Qedamawi Haile I Selassie I Jah Ras TafarI, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, The great Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Rightful Ruler, Ancient of days, Great David, is Thy Greater son King Selassie, the 3000 year holy seal final King of the most ancient biblical dynasty in history, rooted in HH King Solomon the wise Godly king of Divine:-).... He actually was a very impressive admirable King. I respect and have adoration for HIM Selasse I.

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"You are anti-Americans"

Divide et Impera talk.

Imo: this is a post to divide the Daily Paul into more "sects" to get us fighting with each other.

I see the same behavior on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC comment boards.

"See! That's what you fools want. You don't want the images of US Hegemony taken down, like myself and many others on this website, you want the images REPLACED with another tyrant in hegemony!"

Thanks for the general insult to DPer's with a "different opinion" than yours.

Very "Libertarian" of you..../sarc

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I was wondering when this one would be brought up....

Im suprised it didnt come early...

Again, for the 1001th time, I would be an arrogant "divider" if I was partisan and I was Republican and I was saying you are anti American for being a "traitor" or whatever, but that wasnt my point.... My point is that I am not saying you cant have different opinions. I was saying from a libertarian standpoint, if you have a tyranny here in the US you dont support, but you do support a tyranny thats anti american (unlike me, where I support no tyrannies at all), they that is pretty anti american, since its not the tyranny part that you dislike in America, because you support a foreign tyranny that is anti american, thus, you could say one is an "anti american". It does logically follow. Thats not a logical fallacy in the context Im saying it.

Also, I do respect other opinions. What Im saying is that supporting Putin is ANTI libertarian. Thats not really an opinion, IF, IF, IF we all agree what libertarian is. If this whole time I got libertarianism understood wrong, then, in that case, i would be wrong, you are right. We are just assuming that my understanding is not incorrect and that libertarianism is against unlimited executive/federal power.

Ron Paul 2012

I'm a little confused:

"I was wondering when this would come up [...]

I'm su(r)prised it didn't come [up] earl(ier)..."

"Again, for the 1001th time...."

????

And I agree with you: supporting Putin is anti-Libertarian. I'd just like to know whom, exactly, you are talking about, because it certainly isn't a "majority" of DPers. Maybe you could show us on a specific post where a "Libertarian supports Putin." But please be specific.

You might be confusing non-interventionalism with supporting Russia's actions (or, as you put it, Putin's actions) in Ukraine. But I'll let you respond to that.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Thank you, MykeTheVet (I too am a vet, by the way. thank you!)

This was much more civil and is a legitimate challenge and is not a straw man or red herring. This was a very good challenge and I will do my best to back up the point for which you are questioning.

So we both agree, which is my main argument and you did not change the subject on your rebuttal. Again, we both agree (whether it was due to my convincing or just because you now understand my point and did not previously) now that you cant be libertarian and IDEOLOGICALLY/PHILOSOPHICALLY support Putin deny that he is a tyrant, by common political philosophies (ie, liberty philosophy... Also, I used caps above to highlight that anybody can root for any body on an emotional "fan" basis, if you will, just like I cant explain ideologically the merits of football, thus I will never debate it seriously, but I cant help what entertains me. So there is an important distinction here.

Ok, to your point, Im really really bad with computers. I am a basic user/browser, but go to "search" and look up the word Putin and Gaddafi and you will see that the majority of the comments are rooting for them, when it should have just stopped at condemning our current Gov's policies. But SPECIFICALLY regarding Putin, you will find the majority of the comments and articles about him to be positive and instead of condemning the US interfering, many many times I saw people go further and actually root and cheer on defeats of the Ukrainian army, when the soldiers arnt political, they are just defending their own country AND DYING and yet people are cheering this? Also, there was an thread (it may have been removed by the mods?) titled "PUTIN THE GREATEST LEADER OF OUR TIME"....

Look, my point was NEVER about saying the majority of the DP community is pro putin. That wasnt my point. My point was that the amount of tolerance and acceptance of such view points seemed very troubling and I thought we needed some philosophical and intellectual confronting and debating of this. Ok, I know you will say "oh but your being divisive" ok, fair enough, but I have two things to say to that: A, DP isnt just a general social community to make friends and discuss politics? No, it does, by the DP site name, its obvious a pre-bias and viewpoint towards libertarianism. Next, can you just imagine what would happen if people started posting pro war hawk and pro federal reserve or pro status quo GOP/Dem threads, they would get run out of town with pitch forks, but supporting foreign aggressors is totally fine, or at least not worth saying anything (which is why it would be logical to make an argument that its anti american sounding)? Before I used to debate truthers and I was nearly run out of town and I was called every ugly word in the book just for being a "truther skeptic" (now, im somewhere in the middle between truther and not)

Hope that clears it up

Ron Paul 2012

First of all:

Glad you made it back safe. It's always good to hear another American making it out alive of the Oil Wars. Hopefully unharmed as well.

I think I can see where our disagreement lies: it's your generality of the DP and I don't think you're doing it on purpose. Observe:

"but supporting foreign aggressors is totally fine."

When you say/type things like that, I take a little offense because you were generally speaking about the Daily Paul as a collective. I know you weren't speaking about everyone on the DP, but when you generalize, that makes me think "a majority of DP'ers," and that just isn't true.

We don't ever support foreign aggressors. A perfect example is this websites criticism of the Bahraini(sp) government and the American tax money that is sent to those Country's leaders. That is but one example and there are many.

But this paragraph you wrote makes me believe you do belong here with us:

"Before I used to debate truthers and I was nearly run out of town and I was called every ugly word in the book just for being a "truther skeptic" (now, im somewhere in the middle between truther and not)."

"Now I'm somewhere in the middle between truther and not."

Welcome to the Daily Paul, Sir.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Still spamming your own topic Lordindra I see

Shill 101, when losing argument spam topic with wordy posts to bury your embarrassments.

At least you stopped using your Romanian blogger alt account.

You are still posting pretending I said I was a Putin supporter. I'm not. I'm a Putin defender, same as Ron Paul.

Which you still haven't refuted. How about growing a pair and saying 'Ron Paul is wrong because...'

But you are a coward. That is why you do what you do. And you know it.

Here's that Ron Paul link again you keep trying desperately to bury:
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/20...

Do you actually believe what your saying? RP: not pro putin..

Dude, the article you used as your only evidence as to why Ron Paul supposedly is a defender or apologist for Putin? All it says is what I too believe that Russia and Putin did not shoot down that plane. So??? I argued incessantly with my father who is a reaganite red state republic and I defended AND applauded Russia in the syrian conflict, so???? There's no way that's not nonsense you actually believe your too smart for that. It's weird dude....
I don't think your doing the following intentionally. You don't seem nefarious or anything but a probably good person in your personal life and perhaps you feel you are right, but this basis of your very strong resilient defense of Putin (matching my own zeal but I admit this is a worthy "battle" to me) is exactly the intellectually dishonest dirty smear tactic "evidence" (to the dull non thinkin steeple masses but is just absurd to conscious grassroots) to show in jingoistic exploitation of American patriotism of most Americans and show Dr Paul as an "America hating neo confederate survivalist militia icon and nemesis of the international jew kabal of the ZOG elders" as this article "obviously shows he's a secret Putin agent, so never listen to him and forget every memory of his message! Same with his son, obviously! Hehehe

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wow... This debate has degenerated a bit, but I can't help it...

I really shouldn't even respond, but by the looks of the effort and time of previous argument articulations or "spamming my own threads", you can see at least this topic is important to me because I've literally held back so many times ever since the horrible US gov's criminal regime change in Libya. The worst was someone's thread titled "Pres. Putin the greatest leader of our time". But the most recent thread boasting of Ukraine's national army "surrendered or retreated in shame by the free people's democratic republic of obelisk liberation freedom army", while Ukrainians, legitimate gov or not, r dying by foreign aggressors ie Russia, while Ukrainians are fighting for their countries survival and stand no chance with Putins help as he lies daily. Whatever side we are gain less bystanders, we can't understand, the US AND Russia should b neutral and that is Ron Paul stance.
Why are you so sensitive and making it so personal? Can we get veteran DP members obviously not inherently biased, tell us, who has by far given the most intellectual philosophical logically sound arguments and who has been purely anecdotal,personal and diverting attention away from the main issue n subject? I make a statement that may be seen as attack, but I then give the reasoning behind my statement. I say X and Y is why I win my argument and you say "you are writing detailed reasoning because you are embarrassed"... ok and you say that why?...

Next you just sounded so silly if you really believe I have an alt Romanian acct?... right... dude I'm a nobody, absolutely not a computer ace by any stretch, I'm an army vet of 3 years as a 19D cav scout most in korea, out since 04, white tall, blonde, blue Is, slender, 30, wife 2 kids, almost delegate for RP, and a political junky football and boxing fan and devout Buddhist since 96. I'm a nobody dude, chill..

your trippin bro relax:)

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Minarchism Vs Anarchism=good debate. Putin good?=No debate!

I keep trying to find ways to put my point in ways where even the most emotionally based partisan DP community members (who are honest people, not having ulterior motives or any agenda)....

Ok, so I am a Minarchist and many people say Minarchists are following a half hearted cop out philosophy and that anarchism is the only way. I respect that debate within the liberty movement. Even though I cant disagree more with that, who am I to be so arrogant as to say "an anarchist has no place in this movement!" as that would make me an arrogant bull headed ass! Does Christianity (or God and faith in general) have any place in Liberty movement? Good debate to have. Does supporting an armed conflict against ISIS (given that a hypothetical constitutional declaration of war is about to be voted on) make one a statist (for argument sake, just as an example, leaving out if we funded them, but they are a "sovereign state" and they have harmed 2 US citizens and they have threatened to fight us) or is it debatable? I think its a worthy argument... Supporting, defending and being an apologist for dictators/tyrants just because they are an enemy of US soft tyranny government, is not and should not ever be a debate or have a place in the libertarian community. This should be self apparent and obvious, right?

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2nd person specific rebuttal (PoliticalScience101 "Go Putin")

The comment Im replying to (im making its own comment, not comment reply, because others wont see it since the comment is half a page down) really wasnt that bad and it left open the door that the comment poster and I may not disagree, but I felt it badly needed to be clarified so others dont make the same mistaken argument fallacy in their rebuttals (I always welcome intellectual debates. Im probably Michael Medved's most prolific caller. He knows me by name and we even hit it off as old friends when we met in person, due to my frequency of debates with him).....

But you said a bad statement in your heading "Go Putin" and your premises were also strawmen and/or Red Herrings, because its assuming a false position of mine. You said you like Putin because hes on the right track towards freedom and economics and border policy. The whopper that provoked me to respond was "dont throw stones in a glass house"... Ok, for the 1000th time, that would be a valid rebuttal IF I WAS A STANDARD AMERICAN DEMO-RAT OR REPUBLI-CON! I am not defending ANY big government, ESPECIALLY MY OWN TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT! I agreed with each and every criticism you lobbed at the current US policy ills, sins, flaws and injustices! You did remember I said I am a hard core Min-archist/strict constitutionalist (unfortunately to some, I am not an anarchist.. yet, lol)! But you are losing credibility by YOUR inconsistency! You were indirectly challenging and criticizing or perhaps warning me to not be inconsistent, YET YOU ARE THE ONE BEING INCONSISTENT BY SAYING YOUR 'FANTASTIC' ARGUMENT AND ENDING IT WITH GO PUTIN (its like taking a dump on a beautiful wedding cake, lol)! THATS THE BASIS OF MY ENTIRE THREAD! DUDE, CUMMON, YOUR MAKING ME THINK THIS IS ALL FOR NOTHING! Lol.. Thats why im giving your short comment this much effort. This is really important stuff to me. We must be sound as a community before we can change the world. Its time to clean some house, at least in my humble opinion:-)

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Jungleboogie, my first response specifically to you....

Jungleboogie, Lawmanjed, is 100% correct! It wasnt meant to be personal to anyone. As I mentioned (if you are actually READING IN DEPTH my responses), none of this was meant to be to any one personally and I kept complaining that my points are purely philosophical and intellectual and you keep replying with "whoever smelt it dealt it"(regarding my curiosity about the amount of Putin supporters on a libertarian website) and attacks on my smart phone texting English skills and "if im such a bad guy, what are you" and then you did it all over again last post, except you got even more personal.

All I was saying "if you are a socialist at heart, but publicly, you say your a libertarian" you are an statist, not a libertarian. That should be as clear as day, right? Other examples: "if you say you follow Muhammed as your seal prophet, but then tell every one you are christian" you are being an apostate (not my opinion, im just using examples easy to understand), not a christian (or just a muslim lying about his faith). If you are a neoconservative or a Putin supporter or even a Hitler or Stalin supporter, but you tell everyone (or even yourself for that matter) you are a libertarian, then you are simply a tyrant supporting statist or even perhaps "nationalist".

How is this hard to see? Also, I am suspicious of you. If you are not the things I am suspicious of, then I apologize, certainly I could be wrong. I am not stating that as fact, I am stating that Putin and Libertarianism are incompatible and antithetical, THAT IS FACT... But I am suspicious of you. Ive been here for 6 years, since I heard RP's name. Ive read many of your posts and they are usually just "look how bad the US government is" and very little (again, I am human, I could have missed those, so forgive me if Im wrong) if not any at all, posts using the liberty principle or arguing using the libertarian ideology as your supporting philosophy.

Im not going anywhere by the way, UNTIL THE DAY THE NAME OF THE COMMUNITY IS CHANGED. Thank you

Lastly

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Also my suspicion of Kremlin trolls is not paranoia....

I try, as a personal principle, to not jump to conspiracy as a default theory. I am sensitive to being falsely accused of being a troll, as I have been called a secret mossad agent for my original distaste for 911 truther beliefs (proof that I am not a hypocrite and that I am open minded in debate? Well since that time I can now be considered at least a half hearted truther now. I've been convinced since then that 911 could have well been an inside job after losing my last few debates+some good documentaries). However, there are several articles published showing proof that there are Kremlin trolls directed and carrying out psychological operations by infiltrating communities that are fertile grounds for such objectives to sway public opinion towards Putin/Kremlin sympathy. I'm sure the US does the same garbage over there, but I've never been defending US government! But can you imagine Putin allowing a US cable news channel funded by white house called USA Today based in Moscow that basically platforms only Putin/UR-Party opposition and guests that embarrasses United Russia and putin while never criticizing US official policy?? No that would never happen and yet the opposite (without any personal problem with that, as I believe in free speech) is already happening, which should conclude even in this pre post American era, USA is more free than Russia. Just sayin;-)

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How did I get an immediate down vote on THIS particular comment?

Really? Whoever it was, I am not OFFENDED personally at all, I am just surprised. I can more understand my other comments/rebuttals, due to the harshness in tone at times, but this was just stated facts that Ive read articles SOME POSTED ON THIS DP FORUM! With my critical reasoning hat on, Id have to say its one or all of the following things: A, due to my harsh tone, Ive simply made some "enemies" in the forum who wont even read my words, but just down vote me, B, they misunderstood this comment, C, they themselves are apart of the "troll-ery" and feel exposed or D, they feel personally offended and attacked by me. Weird...

Ron Paul 2012

Do we all agree that Putin sucks?

From a libertarian perspective, Put in is friggin awful. The same people who say "don't vote for the lesser of two evils" are now saying that Putin is preferable to Obama.

So you call the DP fools, anti-american, sickening tyrant lovers

Then you scratch your head and wonder why all the downvotes and negative reception.

You act all shocked and feign outrage at being called a troll and act all shocked at so many downvotes.

The DP community is not the problem, you are the problem. You have the nerve to call us 'the Daily Tyrant'? You know where the door is.

Learn to write in a more respectful style, and you will get a better reception.

But I can't condone this crap, and it is crap.

And don't use alts, your Romanian blogger alt account is just embarrassing. So is constantly self-bumping your own topic.

You are taking it, and making it too personal...

I am a DPer yet I did not feel insulted or lumped into some collective, as if the OP was trying to lump in all of the DP as one thing, which she wasn't.

Frankly, I like that there are opinions from all over the spectrum, it allows for real discussion.
But the OP makes the point that Putin's policies are not even close to consistent with those of Ron Paul and the libertarian/constitutional philosophy.
The fact there are so many (at a clearly abnormal level) Putin supporters here, on an American libertarian website, is suspicious.
I highly doubt the demographics of the American liberty movement would show this high a percentage of pro-Putin lovers.

"Former" KGB Putin is a NWO globalist.
If they can infiltrate the US government, banking industry, and MSM, they can infiltrate the liberty movement, and even this site.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Lawman this is Ron Paul's position:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/20...

This is the position of the anti-Ron Paul crowd, Ron Paul and his followers are all Putin lovers and/or KGB agents:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-ron-paul-institute-for-pu...

Indra is a neo-con, about the furthest from Ron Paul and liberty you can get.

Not to mention, if you wrote an article you wouldn't be stupid enough to call the DP fools, anti-american, sickening, tyrant lovers. Honestly how stupid could he be? Anyone who writes like that will get downvoted into oblivion.

Thank you, bro. Im a dude, by the way, lololol....

But thank you again. I need people to reinstate this TRUTH Im arguing, from their own unique perspective.

Look, this wasnt intended to be a DP unofficial Mr. Popular class president campaign, as I knew I would catch serious heat for this (as I mentioned in the main thread "bring it on", although I also knew that I had to keep it intellectual and logically debated, so as to NOT make it personal and "emotionally" based argument).

However, as a human being, its hard not to get a little emotional when its so obvious that I am not stating an opinion, but as close to a fact (again, I see its an arrogant sounding statement, but only in context regarding my main point of Putin being anti libertarian, am I this confident that there is no debate regarding my main premise/conclusion). Because it gets emotional on both sides, people will take it personally and start to fight against ANYTHING I say at that point, even if they know in their heart of hearts Im right. Thank you again. WHat you said is well stated:-)

Ron Paul 2012

important point

The following is an important cut and pasted reply to another guy i was replying to but i wanted to highlight part of it....
...intellectually honest so I would love to have a civil engagement with any of you. I understand everything you are saying, but my point is that the US government isn't inherently more "evil" than the next government (not any less either) we just happen to be very rich and powerful thus tyrants have the means to do horrible selfish things on a larger and more consequential scale so of course the last competing super power of the world is going to be angry, but look at his record, there is ZERO reason to believe he wouldn't be any less horrible had he have the means we have. This is why I love Ron Paul so much because he's the first pol I've seen that I trust truly won't be corrupted by the power he has.. Also I hate to say "yes I'm bad, but you are worse" game, but what makes this country have hope, in my opinion, much more worthy to keep the good fight than if I was in Russia and that's the libertarian principles and constitution this country was built on. That alone gives me hope to keep supporting the Ron Pauls of the world. It would be much more demoralizing living in Russia because putin and the oligarchy can and has shown they will either assassinate or imprison all political competition. It's really disgusting. Bush and Obama would be in prison themselves after their terms are up if we knew they did that. I have hope in our people and love my country that's why we can't give up. Are we so bad off that we are now turning to foreign tyrants for support? Cummon let's fight to make THIS country better and without any need for a 3rd world-esque strongman leader/dictator.

Ron Paul 2012

I might add

that most of these people are socialists to. And there is more of an obsession on this board over The Gaza Strip than the federal reserve.

To quote the estemed John MClain, the board is full of wacko birds.

Birds of a feather....

but that makes me wonder why you are here. LOL :-)

Thanks

for dropping by

Go Putin..

Russia / Putin may not be the greatest yet, but they are taking bigger steps to fix their problems than we are. In fact, they're slowly moving toward a free-market enterprise economy and have told immigrants that they must conform and assimilate to Russian society and culture if they would like to live and work in Russia… As for u.s.s.a it is becoming more and more communist/fascist by the day, the Unpatriotic Act, NDAA,DHS,IRS,TSA,NSA,DEA,CIA,FDA,EPA,ATF,FBI,BLM,local militarized Police, etc.. Just some of the unconstitutional laws and agents of force and destruction that has been unleashed on unsuspecting Americans.. Meantime our government allows people just walk over the border illegally and then tell us how to run our country... I think we've got some things to learn from president Putin and Russia..
So before you go throwing stones, make sure you are not living in a glass house..

but what are you going to do about it!

I decided to make shirts. could you please check them out and vote me up. so I could get some traffic!
thanks for your time.
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Interesting post

I don't think anyone here thinks Assad,Gaddafi,Hussein and Putin are good people.
I don't think anyone here would actually rather live in countries governed by any of those people than live in the US.

Remember too that the US government supports murderous dictators when it is convenient for them to do so.
Modern day Iran, resulting from a brutal shah, is pretty much a CIA creation.

The issue of whether or not the US should be responsible for removing them from power is where some would think (wrongly) that opposition to US intervention is support for dictators.

Putin is actually doing nothing different than the US would do in a similar situation.
Statements like this sound defensive of empire building by Putin when it is only pointing out a fact.
Is Putin acting defensively?
Perhaps in response to NATO expansion?
Again facts that sound supportive of Putin.

It is up to Russians to replace him and hopefully they do.

In some cases I agree with the OP.
Some seem to find murderous dictators ok as long as no central bank exists in their territory.
I can't agree.
Does it really take a supreme leader to keep bankers at bay?

geographical change

I find it interesting that I never knew of the Ukraine, Crimea, or some of the other "new" countries because they were part of Russia (USSR) since I was a child. And, that was a long time ago! Hungary and the other satellites were not discussed in the same manner. I have had a time getting around the fact that there are people in those areas that want to be part of Russia. There are those that do not. Why would we mettle in that situation is a little outrageous. Let them work it out themselves!

Fortunately, we don't have to deal with a politically divided Puerto Rico, embattled with each other, in a civil war, because they wanted to fight over statehood! I guess that could also be the fact that the little island is not full of oil and gas wells, or any minerals of significance.

If you believe that then you haven't read the posts below...

Sadly, it's not misunderstanding, there are a serious TON of honest Putin supporters, apologists and sympathizers, it's disgusting only because of the community where's it's been incubated and spawned. This is not an emotional opinion, this is a sad and troublesome virus here. Either these supporters are intellectually dishonest with themselves and/or blinded by their enmity and disdain for our Government or they are just hidden trolls/shills. There isn't any buts about it... sad... I know you don't have time but at least read all of my rebuttals in the comments and without the apparent arrogance of my statements, in context of my purpose, there really is no debate in what im saying....
bu t you seem intellectually honest so I would love to have a civil engagement with you. I understand everything you are saying, but my point is that the US government isn't inherently more "evil" than the next government (not any less either) we just happen to be very rich and powerful thus tyrants have the means to do horrible selfish things on a larger and more consequential scale so of course the last competing super power of the world is going to be angry, but look at his record, there is ZERO reason to believe he wouldn't be any less horrible had he have the means we have. This is why I love Ron Paul so much because he's the first pol I've seen that I trust truly won't be corrupted by the power he has.. Also I hate to say "yes I'm bad, but you are worse" game, but what makes this country have hope, in my opinion, much more worthy to keep the good fight than if I was in Russia and that's the libertarian principles and constitution this country was built on. That alone gives me hope to keep supporting the Ron Pauls of the world. It would be much more demoralizing living in Russia because putin and the oligarchy can and has shown they will either assassinate or imprison all political competition. It's really disgusting. Bush and Obama would be in prison themselves after their terms are up if we knew they did that. I have hope in our people and love my country that's why we can't give up. Are we so bad off that we are now turning to foreign tyrants for support? Cummon let's fight to make THIS country better and without any need for a 3rd world-esque strongman leader/dictator.

Ron Paul 2012

Trolls are funny

Dude… Get a life

Did you know Putin, if assets were made public would be...

The richest man in history, 2nd only to the late Gaddafi... but wait, I thought putin was in KGB and other government jobs his whole life??? What companies does he run? How did he amass so much wealth? Oh that's right, him and his friends the oligarchs steal it from their own citizenry. But i guess he deserves it since he has such a huge important job protecting the stupid helpless peasants! Lol... admittedly this is my least intellectual reply. I'm being a dick I know, but just this once:)

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