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Should Dominica be a second Free State Project?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5TVY9ELdsY

Here is my (crazy?) idea on a liberty education project that would aim to make the island of Dominica a second and slightly altered version of the Free State Project.

What do you think?



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A couple I know just purchased there.

RP people.

There is talk amongst a group of us. They made the commitment, so I expect some more additions from our way.

As I see it, the problem with

As I see it, the problem with Dominica is that it is a member of the British Commonwealth of Nations, and its constitution was written by the Queen of England.

http://www.dominica.gov.dm/laws/chapters/chap1-01.pdf

http://www.constitution.org/cons/dominica.htm

If you read the Constitutionof the Commonwealth of Dominica you will quickly see that the rights of the people exist..... until they come in conflict with the " public interest." (See Chapter 1, Section 1) Who decides wwhat is in the "public interest?" The Dominican Parliament, its President, or Head of State: the Queen.

There is a great pride in the tradition of freedom in the culture of the people of Dominica, but there is also a desire to be counted as a "player" in international political circles. So polititions are nieve and easily led by the more seasoned NWO globalists to comprimise their personal integrity in exchange for international recognition. The IMF, for example, have tried, at leat twice, to get the government to institute an island wide property tax. There are two reasons why this has failed to take hold. The first is the knowledge by the people that such a tax is akin to slavery, and the second is that the people are too poor as a whole to be able to afford it, and it would go mostely unpaid.

The island of Saba has recently adopted a property tax which is supposedly only applies to the 2nd homes of foreigners, but we all know what happens when governments start valuating property. Their desire for revenue becomes insatiable, and the pool of "taxable" property grows without retraint.

This is also on the heals of a € 2 Billion EU highway "investment" project. How much of that money do you think ever stayed on an island of 1400 people? Not a lot, but the quid pro quo remains.

Dominica is only different in that it is bigger, and the players are different, (China and South American money instead of EU money), but the same sticks and carrots are at play.

Getting any people to develope a consistant objective philisophical world view is a really hard row to hoe. Look to our own neighbors in what is supposed to be a culture we share with them as an example. Now insert yourself into a foreign culture and try to achieve the same results.

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Hi Trevor...

I've been living in St. Lucia for 15 years. St. Lucia is more or less a twin to Dominica. Both are small island nations which changed hands multiple times between England and France before achieving independence, an independence which is really in name only, being that both countries are afraid to take on major and necessary changes in their self-interest for fear of how the US, England or France might react. An example would be their reluctance to legalize marijuana. I know about this because I am active with the Cannabis Movement of St. Lucia, so I am aware of the resistance we are up against and from where the resistance originates. Anyway, both St. Lucia and Dominica have English as the main language, while nearly everyone also speaks a native French dialect called Patois. The cultures and food are similar, as is the terrain, both being lush, volcanic and mountainous with interior rain forest. The main difference is that St. Lucia has more than twice as many people at about 160,000, but the people themselves and the politics are very similar. I have often fantasized about turning St. Lucia into a "Ron Paul island". Being that it's population is only equivalent to a mid-sized American city, it has always seemed to me like a feasible idea. I have spent personal time with Prime Minister Dr. Kenny Anthony, have known several other political dignitaries, and years ago I entertained the idea of going into politics myself. But in the end I'm too private a person, have no experience in public speaking, and decided against calling attention to myself. My opinion of your idea, Trevor, is that it sure is a fascinating one, but it is a lofty goal which could only be achieved with the utmost dedication and hard work. There would surely be some receptive hearts and minds, but it would also involve resistance and setbacks at the hands of people who would resent foreigners (and Americans are not exactly the most popular people these days) coming out of nowhere and trying to hijack their political system, even if the changes you would bring would improve the quality of every Dominican life. More realistic than turning the whole island into a model of libertarian peace and prosperity would be to start off by setting up a "Ron Paul" community within the island, and use that as a springboard from which to further persuade people and expand the movement.

Trevor Lyman's picture

Hi Mike - thank you for your

Hi Mike - thank you for your response and your insight. Based on your input and the input of others I think I need to take a step back with this concept and break it down to the first core idea and then see where things can go from there. In other words, this doesn't have to happen in Dominica, the greater question is if it is worth it to pay others to learn liberty, and so it's best to start there.

I created a new video that focused on that question so that we could find out what people thought of that and then from there, perhaps there can be more discussion on where the concept might work best.

My new video is here: http://www.dailypaul.com/325662/to-spread-the-ideas-of-liber...

Thanks again for your response!

2 words: Island Fever

2 words: Island Fever

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I have spent a lot of time there

I have spent a lot of time on that island. It is beautiful. The ppl are friendly and jolly and fun.

I think you are correct when you say you need to learn more about their politics. I hope that doesn’t sound mean, and I don’t know everything about their politics either. This is what I know. I was there after Obama was elected in ’08 and there were parties in the street for Obama. Cab drivers, waiters, and tour guides were all excited to talk to Americans about Obama.

You said they don’t have an oppressive police state and they are not fighting a massive drug war against their government. I agree, I didn’t see that go on. That being said, because of that, there didn’t seem to be much anger or angst against the government that is there so in their minds they might be wondering why the need scale down government when their government isn’t attacking them.

English is widely spoken and used there, so is French and Creole.

Dominica also has amazing beauty and natural rainforest and waterfalls and beaches and tourism is a huge industry for them. They also seemed so proud of how clean their island is. Everyone would talk about how you could drink right from the running water and rivers. I don’t think they’d be willing to lighten up on government regulation on those resources if it were to become an issue. I remember there was a lot of issues with some company trying/wanting to build another airport or expand on the current one or something while I was there and locals did not like that and wanted a stop put to it because of the pollution the construction and they didn’t want the land bulldozed down. I don’t remember what happened there with that, but it would not be easy to go in and set up shop with industry, not if it threatened wildlife, air, or water resources in the minds of the locals.

That is thick jungle terrain at some points. You said it has a lot of waterfalls…..You can visit 1 per day for a full year and never have to see the same one twice. It really is gorgeous.

Ok, I have a connection to Dominica, I love that island and this is what I think.

Portions of it are uninhabitable so I’m not sure it can really take on
a large influx of ppl

Ppl seem to like the idea of government helping when needed as they were quite excited by Obama and things like healthcare for all

Setting up business might be pretty hard to get by the locals no matter what amount of education they receive on free markets and liberty. If it is going to pollute their pretty pristine environment in their mind they might want a governing body to say ‘no, you can’t do that.’

There didn’t seem to be much anger or frustration towards their police force or current form of government so they might not feel the need to change much. Sometimes I think ppl have to see tyranny in full force before making massive strides towards liberty.

That being said, I am hardly an expert on the island, I’m not saying it would be a wasted venture, but I think before sinking that amount of money into it a bit more research should be done on their current political state. I’m just going by the overall general opinion I picked up on while I was there, actual statistics could prove me wrong or right. But again before sinking a bunch of money into this idea, it definitely needs more research.

Keep in mind that whole island is not necessarily habitable, there is thick jungle terrain, the whole thing is not even connected by roads that connect, and the ppl there don’t seem eager to be putting up shops and roads in some areas.

Yes, more research needed, but interesting idea.

Trevor Lyman's picture

Hi JR- thank you for your

Hi JR- thank you for your response and insight as well. Please see my comment on this page to Mike as it applies here as well. Thanks again!

yes!

the concept is excellent!

I would volunteer to teach and organize. I have lived in the BAHAMAS and GUADELOUPE. One challenge is the peoples mindset. Most are either quiet lazy, poorly educated or/and government employed...
It would be a good cause with great potential.

Gerald Mangold

havent watched the whole thing yet but why get bitcoin involved?

Follow the money trail on who is funding the dropping of bitcoins to dominca, first.

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Hi Troy - I don't see how

Hi Troy - I don't see how your concerns apply to this idea as it actually has nothing to do with Bitcoin or the people that are dropping the Bitcoins to Dominica. I only mention Bitcoin to illustrate how the government was receptive to the idea and how it shows that the country is taking a big step forward in a libertarian direction. But if you get a chance to watch the video and you still think your objection is applicable please let me know.