The 2008 Election Is Already Over With, Nothing To See Here Move Along..........

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Unless we get back to basics.

The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.There must be tons of these old machines in storage.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_8059495
NCEL 50 State Lawsuit Failed. Now what do we do?

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Only our Congress

would vote "against" strict accounting of our elections. The patient is sick, and needs a Doctor badly!

alan laney

In my in-box today:

Federal Bill Gets Majority Vote in House But That's Not Enough

More than ten thousand people from across the United States came to the TrueVote site to urge passage of a federal bill requiring a voter-verified paper record and mandatory audits. The bill, HR 5036, received 57% of the vote last Tuesday, including 16 Republicans, but needed a two-thirds majority to pass.

HR 5036 received 239 votes of support and 178 votes in opposition. The Democrats brought the bill to the House Floor in a way that did not allow amendments and therefore the bill required two-thirds support. The Democrats did not want to vote on amendments raising issues like Voter ID requirements. It is possible, but unlikely that the Democrats will allow the bill to go forward and take the risk of unfriendly amendments.

TrueVote.US, will continue to build its base especially in strategic districts nationally to support HR5036 and other efforts to restore meaningful elections.

At the federal level we will need overwhelming grass roots pressure to end touch screen voting and restore a paper-based system that allows an audit and recount of the voter's intent.

We will also push to improve HR 5036 -- TrueVote.US opposes an amendment that allowed funding for touch screen systems to get a paper add-on (an wasteful investment of tax dollars on a flawed voting system) -- and to bring the bill up for vote as soon as possible.

Help build momentum by urging people to visit TrueVote.US and write their Member of Congress.

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Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

It Can Only Be Done This Way Or The republic Is Finished

The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.There must be tons of these old machines in storage.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

you are so right thomas

look , im no genius, but i find myself thinking a lot that what good is this whole push for delegates if the election is totally stolen ....makes no sense

Yep, Were All Concerned About Delegates Which Is Fine.....

But from the beginning I was posting on this topic 40+ months ago and the post would always die.It just does not matter who wins what if old style paper ballots are not reinstated before the convention and before the General Election.

I agree i posted who

would do a write-in for ron paul and a poll at this site http://ronpauldonatetoday.blogspot.com and only 300+ said they would and I asked each person to write congress and tell them we want our paper ballots back.

Does anyone see how important that is along with becoming a delegate?

just so you know

Fortune Favors the Bold

Ron Paul actually voted against a proposed bill by a new jersey congressman (a different proposal then the one i was talking about with the paper trail, sorry galacticwhacko for my misunderstanding) that would have the federal government fund a conversion to paper ballots and all recount challenges.
Interestingly enough, Dennis Kuccinish also voted against this, but for different reasons, (there was some sort of loophole that exempted optical scanning)

Fortune Favors the Bold

Now, how expensive could it be?

We all bring a piece of paper, they all have pens: wall-ah! ElCheapo :)

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

NJ has a paper plan

I heard it briefly somewhere that all they need to do is give it the ok. It costs money though and NJ is pretty much broke too. We don't have DieBold in my town. But it does give a computer read out.

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

it was aborted before super tuesday

Fortune Favors the Bold

Fortune Favors the Bold

This Is The Only Way For Ron Paul To Win Period Wake Up!!!!!!!

The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

Exactly!

I live in Colorado, and my understanding is that the paper ballots will still be counted by machines, so while there is a "paper trail" in case of a recount, the election is still subject to hacking. Just look what happened in the Vermont recount fiasco. Using paper ballots is a step in the right direction, but unless they are publicly hand-counted, fraud is still a distinct possibility, if not a certainty. We must demand that the whole system be changed before November. It is obviously too late to get it done for the primaries, but if we start now, perhaps it can be done by the general election. Write your reps and local media and demand it. Rigged elections=fascism. Wake up!!!

In some states you can ask for a provisional ballot

instead of voting on a LieBold you get a paper ballot.

If everyone did this maybe it would have some effect?

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"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

FL switching back to paper ballots for 2008 Pres. election.

Check out this article. The site also has info for other states.

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&tas...

Go President Paul!

’In accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.’ (George Orwell, 1984)

12345678 Did you read the damed article?

The bill is funded with $27.9 million in HAVA funds and there’s plenty more money in that account should more be needed next year. Counties will get help from the state to purchase optical scan equipment to count the paper ballots; ballot-on-demand equipment to ease paper congestion problems in Early Voting; and ballot marking devices to serve the disabled.

Paper ballots only. The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

Very important

I agree. This is the first step to a real election. It is also the only hope for Dr. Paul. The second step would be a 100% exit Poll. But really, this is the thing that absolutely must, must, must be done.

Yes, get the 50 states up and the contact information for each state. Thomas, if you cannot head it up and stay after it, then keep this post coming until the person who will do it is on board.

Geekwise I don't know how to set up a website but think that a..

good way to start would be to (once a contact way is agreed upon). Do we need a website as opposed to using the meetup database network?

Help me out here people I feel like I'm the blind leading the blind.

I think if we could get all the Ron Paul Meetup groups and all the wesites such as:
http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.watchthevote2008.com/

and others to unite under one umbrella, no egos involved working with a fraction of the energy we have supported Dr. Paul with we can do this. There has to be a concerted effort of letters,meetings with each State Governor and last but not least1st amendment physical protest at each State Capitol on the same date nationwide.

Butte Co.

California is going paper as well. Is it all of Ca?

This comes from the Secretatry Of The Sate of California

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems/ess_waiver_10...
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vs.htm
I cannot find anywhere where it says we are going in CA unless you mean a receipt issued by an electronic voting machine which is worthless.
A few counties still use the old style paper ballots I think but they are counted by machines.

The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

obviously important if you

obviously important if you wan´t your vote to count!

Yes Thomas

I felt like the issues we have with vote fraud werent taken seriously enough ...

Previously known as DCALIFANO

Previously known as DCALIFANO

ideas

1. we need to get a website up listing contact info for all the 50 states for the governor's office.
2. since county clerks not in favor of paper ballots, maybe we need to pressure them too. netronline.com has contact info for county offices in all states.
3. email, phone, fax the hell out of them requesting paper ballots.
4. each meetup will do their state

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
-Margaret Mead

Do you guys not know of the

Do you guys not know of the NCEL Lawsuit? It is going on now..all 50 states are in it. They need money to continue, I think but they are trying to get heard,,?

Yeah Crickett know all about it and I pasted links to it twice..

on this thread already. The problem with NCEL is that the courts are refusing to hear it and citing lack of jurisdiction or the wrong people have been served. I gave the solution to this matter and have pointed the way,did you bother to read the article in the link I posted? We need to take the Gov of Colorado's lead and contact each State Governor and Election Board and persuade them
to enact this by emergency legislation before the general election.e-mail,meet with him or her and if that does not get results a day of peaceful protest at all State Capitols demanding this:

The old style punch out the little square where you line up the slide arrow and push the handle down to perforate the ballot card that has numbered tear off receipt is the only way we can go, no concessions on this.

All ballots MUST be hand counted at the polling place. No moving them to a "secure location" to count them.The count starts right after the polls close and no one goes home until it's finished, this is our duty even if it takes all night. This is how We The People did this in our very near past and it worked fine. Precinct by Precinct The MSM is declaring winners in the primarys by entrance polls and we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

I think if we could get all the Ron Paul Meetup groups and all the wesites such as:
http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting...
http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.watchthevote2008.com

and others to unite under one umbrella, no egos involved working with a fraction of the energy we have supported Dr. Paul with we can do this.

Don't forget now

Colorado is using paper ballots. Yeah, Baby!!!!

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

Thanks

This is good news!

"...it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

"...it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

Shameless Bump

Shameless Bump There is way too much mindless chaff on this board and this besides doing what we have been doing (canvassing, slimlims, donating ect) IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE get with it people. How are we going to organize this? Do we need a website to coordinate all 50 States to pressure State Govs. to do this? How do we formulate a concise plan of attack? Can we get Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter to endorse this or help us?

How Mad Will You Be If.......................

Dr. Paul Does not win and we didn't unite to simply re-instate the way elections used to be held?
Can America really withstand a 3rd election stolen without coming apart at the seams?