Gandhi's stage 3 in spades - Important !
Submitted by ironman77 on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 11:15
Ron paul's comment regarding Bush has caused a shit storm of posts on various blogs regarding endorsement of RP by some less than admirable groups. Here is a quick google blog search,
people are objecting on-line but I suspect certain MSM will pick it up.
If anyone has any connections with the main campaign, I suggest they respond ASAP.
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Ron Paul is different....
from all other politicians. Whereas most politicians pander to various groups to get support and endorsements, Ron Paul does none of this. He is not trying to satisfy any groups because he sees us all as individuals, and wants to restore our personal liberty back to us. Period
It's simple.
We are working towards the goal of getting Ron's message out to EVERYONE, are we not? Like Ron says, "Freedom is popular".
Vali
'...truth is loved in such a way that those who love some other thing want it to be the truth, and precisely because they do not wish to be deceived, are unwilling to be convinced that they are deceived." --- St. Augustine, Confessions (10:23), 5th centur
'...truth is loved in such a way that those who love some other thing want it to be the truth, and precisely because they do not wish to be deceived, are unwilling to be convinced that they are deceived." --- St. Augustine, Confessions (10:23), 5th c.
PLEASE spell his name right!
This seems to be becoming a universal meme: It's GANDHI, not "Ghandi".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi
Just a little decent respect, seems to me.
duplicate post
duplicate post
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Why would anybody
google "ron paul" Stormfront? Why would anyone want to call attention to such a group?
It would be a good thing for RP to say he is not seeking their support - it would make me feel better, at least.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Nobody would do that, normally
I did it to show the amount of attention it is getting today - check the dates of the hits -they are all coming out today.
And if you ever follow politics, you know what's going to happen at the next Fox debate. Chris wallace, will ask, so you wouldn't loose credibillity when SF endorses you, but you would loose credibillity when President Bush endorses you ? That's what this is all about.
Like many things, a thinking person is not bothered by this, but if MSM starts repeating this mantra, it will be a problem because alot of people are taken in by the guilt by association fallacy. That's why I believe there should be some pre-emption.
The question is why a group
The question is why a group like this endorsed RP?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org
Stormfront
Why would Stormfront support Ron Paul? There is a shared constituency from the outset, beleaguered members of the white middle class who are sick of having federally- enforced equality shoved down their throats. You can have either liberty or equality…not both. These people see their nation invaded and their sons and daughters sent off to fight and die for the interests of others. “It’s a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” These same people see their standard of living dropping by the day. The other factor is the overwhelming predominance of Celts in the ranks of Ron Paul supporters and in the White Nationalist movement. These disenfranchised dissidents have found a voice in national politics through Ron Paul. Read Born Fighting by Jim Webb and it will all become clear.
They are all..
They are all about voluntary association. I'm not defending their silliness, just their right to be silly. If you want to start a private, all-white school for your kids, you should be able to without any interference from the govt. It's freedom of CHOICE, even if that choice is unpopular. Their votes still count, i think. (the state hasn't taken that from them, yet, have they)
Even the ACLU had a jewish attorney represent a white supremacist group regarding their right to assemble and protest-and they won.
If the old media tries to use this against him it will most likely reinforce his broad appeal and backfire on them.
Sure, but its the stupid attack politics of it all
Not anything really substantive. Remember Howard Dean was eliminated form the primaries for his stupid yell.
so
They have the freedom to have any sort of views they wish to have, if they want to urge others to vote for Ron Paul then I say cool. I dont have to agree with thier views to appreciate thier votes.
freespeechwisconsin.com
Stormfront
LOL, so this is what it comes to, some "libertarians" getting fussy about who they share their foxhole with. The time for such political correctness is long gone. We are fighting for the survival of the republic.
Certain groups
Draw way more fire than others. It doesn't make it right, but its true nonetheless.
It's about liberty, isn't it?
From a recent WSJ article -
"It’s hard for any image-conscious organization – whether it’s a political campaign or a company – to reach out to a community and then sit back and let people say whatever they want about you. But as Ron Paul shows us, that’s just what you have to do in the Internet age."
Make that a Diversity of Whackos
The qualifying characteristic of Dr. Paul's "radical" support is that there is a diverse collection of Activists who support him. What they have in common is the recognition of Systemic Problems with our Government.
It almost stands to reason that support by Activistis of disparate ilks is a sign of the health and integrity of Dr. Paul's message. The complacent citizen is less likely to take up their pens and votes against the Establishment unless they are lead by a cadre of pro-active types. Who would argue against the unlikely reconciliation of such typically opposing groups finding common ground upon which to move into the future!
I say, welcome all whackos! Let's unite in our fight against the forces of tyranny!
He should ignore it completely!
Ron cannot waste his time going on record denouncing groups who endorse him. It's not his choice who endorses him. And as far as "extremeist" groups, who else could most of them endorse, as a large part of their philosophy is anti-government.
Unless the other candidates or the media start trying to attack Ron with this he should simply ignore it. He has no obligation to defend himself against associations he did not seek, or that he doesn't endorse himself. However, if he is attacked with this info he should prepare a one time statement clearly stating that he is not a racist, he is not an anarchist, and he cannot be held responsible if people we like to label "extremists" are attracked to his message of liberty. The very nature of our governmental structure protects these people's freedom to believe whatever they want, regardless of what others think.
The campaign should be aware of this just in case it's used against Ron, but they shouldn't pre-emptively denounce it. That just makes it seem like they are scared and that there is some reason they are speaking out. It looks suspicious.
Freako whackos
I followed your link and it does warrant some attention. That is a pretty freaky group. I think the msm will exploit it. Let's wait n see. I am sure Doc Paul is well aware of his goings on around him and effects on his campaign.
Can't control groups
Dr. Paul cannot control these groups on who they endorse. It is a matter of the right to peacably assemble and free speech.
As for Dr. Paul commenting on this? Well, maybe to re-enforce his ideas about Freedom of Speech and the uniqueness of the individual- we are all equal under the Constitution.
I am of Latino background and this really does not change my perception or views of him. If it does change anybody's perception or shapes their perception of him then I think that is really being shallow and naive.
Can't Control Groups
I've followed Dr. Paul long enough, and have read his materials thouroghly enough, to know with absolute certainty that he would reject all the fundamental principles espoused by Stormfront.
I had never heard of that group so I went to its web site and had trouble believing my eyes. I was horriried. There couldn't be anything further from the civil libertarian principles espoused by Dr. Paul, principles grounded in respect for each individual no matter what group or race or sex or religion.
What type of perverted interpretation do Stromfront members give to Dr. Paul's message?
The human capacity to pervert what is good continues to astound me! Witness all the deaths in the name of the pursuit for religious purity, drugs and sexual promiscuity in the pursuit of happiness, modern day journalism in the name of enlightenment; force in pursuit of freedom...the list goes on.
R. Match
Terrorist
Pervert what is good?
Look at what the Islamic extremist did with the Koran.
I'm just sayin....