Our Boy Needs A speech writer!!
Submitted by jailbreak74 on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 03:14
I love Dr. Paul and I know he likes to ad lib when he gives speeches, but god bless he needs a staff writer or two. We need an old school speech... we need a "ask not, what your country can do for you.... we need a... "fourscore and seven years ago"..... WE NEED A...."the only this we have to fear is fear itself..." kind of of speeches!! A one for the Gipper type speech!! Hell I'll even takes the one that they had in "ID4" that the president gave. Something that'll send chills down your spine. Something that'll wake this nation up and put a tear on her cheek!!! You all feeling me yet!?
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He's doing a little better lately.
At least in last night's MTV debate he was using the "I" word more in touting legislation he has proposed.
Maybe not a speech writer
but an analysis of what is working in the campaign and what isn't.
Not working: debates, advertising, publicity
working: $$, grassroots support, new media
Dr. Paul truly needs someone to help him polish up what he says during the debates. His personal convistions are never mentioned and the constant reference to "sound money", while relevant, is not getting the job done.
The messages of the advertising (I think obviously) are not the right ones nor are they framed correctly. Voters are consumers and need to be presented a clear choice.
The campaign should have hired a PR firm, as many suggested, months ago. The old media is there to be manipulated and used.
h-daddy
I believe that to be an accurate assessment
a PR firm hire back in the heady donation days and before NH could have really propelled some momentum. Too bad at the time it was the old cronies running NHQ. That's water under the bridge now.
I'm posting this again.
I almost want to flag this topic as offensive...
But you all want him to sound more like a politician? I'm about 95% sure that the movement has seen this much growth because he doesn't sound like a scriptted phony. Even when Huckabee says something that sounds similar to Dr. Paul's ideas (have you noticed that everyone is starting to use some of his ideas?) he comes across as a politician...gee whiz, Romney really sounds like a politician. Remember when Romney's speech writers were whispering in his earpiece during one of the last debates? Would you really like Dr. Paul to start relying on others to tell him what to say? The Founding Fathers would totally disagree with you all about a speech writer. Jefferson would probably challenge you all to a duel. Trust me, Dr. Paul knows exactly what he's doing.
I'm not advocating he sound
I'm not advocating he sound like a politician. Not at all.
What I'm suggesting, as I think others are as well, is that the same message be packaged differently.
Face it.. in MSM he might manage to get a couple 30 second sound byte opportunities per day.
A minute of Ron Paul talking about Austrian Economic principles might as well be a discussion about the physics behind fluid dynamics being presented to a gradeschool glee club.
Straight - to the point - on topic. That's what he needs. But just for those short 'clips' he's fortunate enough to be 'granted' by MSM. It takes simplicity to hook the simple. Hook them and they will want to know more. That's when you can start the long speaches about economic policy and the federal reserve issues.
The average person hasn't got a clue what all that is, what it means, or why they should even care. They're interested in what a candidate will do to tackle the war, healthcare, social security, national security.
Yes, all of that has a common root in economics - but you cant provide the full extent of 'why' in a 30 second interview.
A writer for the 'short clips', in my opinion, would make a world of difference to the campaign.
CF
he is a teacher, he is
he is a teacher, he is educating people when he talks.
BS!!!!
We don't want to hear speeches, just the plain and simple truth.
Maybe He Does; Maybe He Doesn't...
You might consider this perspective:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33129
i know what you mean, BUT
one of his biggest assets is the fact that he doesn't sound like a politician. i'm sure it's why most of us started listening to him in the first place. and if you read the article from the mtv Q&A last night, a mccain supporter mentions how floored he was by the honesty and straight forward tone ron paul uses. that he speaks the truth without fear of not winning the popular position. that he doesn't sound like a sell-out like the rest of the field - dem or repub.
true, he doesn't get in many media "worthy" soundbites, save for the "it's silly" comment from the cnn debate. but ron paul is clearly not for sale. a speechwriter may only serve to undermine his honesty.
Look at the results of the
Look at the results of the actual voting taking place.
Yes, the other candidates 'sound like a politician'.. and low and behold, they are getting the votes.
I'm not suggesting that Dr Paul stoop to the levels of the other candidates and twist truths, lie about their intentions or just give 'feel good' speaches.
I'm suggesting that he needs another 'version' of what he's been saying all along. Another way to say it. A good writer can come up with a speech that will get the same message Dr Paul has been giving, but give it in a way that people respond to it positively.
Imagine a political speech that may have the 'sounds like a politician' tones, but actually projects a message.. a different message than 'the rest of them' are putting out.
Obama, McCain, Romney and Clinton have all taken some of the phrases that Dr Paul has used all along in his speeches - and added them to their own. They get applause and confirmation from those words - and they are not even their own.
Same message - different delivery method. I think that's what Dr Paul needs. I know he is extremely devoted to his beliefs, and he has his 'way' of trying to get those beliefs and hopes projected to the masses. Unfortunately, though we are all sure the vast majority of voters would side with Dr Paul on all the issues and ideas he stands for, those voters don't understand the message.
You can recite one of Hillary's speaches to a group of second graders and they'll probably come out of it with an ability to answer the question "What was she talking about, and why is it good for the country?"
Try that same thing with a Ron Paul delivery and they'll probably say "I dont know what he meant".
No, second graders dont vote - but a second grade mentality and ability to comprehend is what we're dealing with in this election. Not to say the voters are stupid - they've just been groomed to expect simplicity, and Dr Paul doesn't deliver that very well.
The proposals he has are not simple ones, for sure. But at this stage of the election process, people aren't interested in technical explanations or ideas that they cannot grasp. They need the 'short version'.
I've posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too.
Why doesn't Ron Paul talk about his history more often?
In the last CA debate, when Romney was talking about his business experience and McCain was talking about his military experience, why didn't Paul talk about HIS time serving on House financial commities and the Air Force?
When talking about foreign policy, why hasn't he empasized that he has actually served our military IN Ethiopia, TURKEY, SOUTH KOREA, and IRAN?
A month-and-a-half ago everyone seemed to be talking about bombing Iran, yet I'm pretty sure Paul's the only one who's actually BEEN there. On top of that, Paul gets like three times as many donations from soldiers as McCain does, yet I've only heard him mention this twice.
When Huckabee woos the hearts of values voters, why doesn't Paul remind the American people that he grew up Lutheran and almost became a minister in that church, and that he is now currently a Baptist. Let's also not forget he's just celebrated his 51st wedding anniversery and he was recently endorsed by the former Jane Roe.
And why is Paul so pro-life? He's an OB/GYN! He's a doctor and knows more about the health care system than any candidate in either major party!
(Note: I've also posted this at http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33254)
A little history about Ron Paul......
ChildoftheProphet -- You are so right on! Anyway you can get this over to Ron Paul HQ???. Even I didn't know some of the terrific things you pointed out about Ron Paul -- and I know a LOT about him. People need to know these things.
Maybe
I SHOULD ask HQ this question.
Yes Paul is humble and likes to keep to his message, but if people know his credentials they're more likely to believe his message!
Anyone else want to email HQ with me?
I also heard him say before
I also heard him say before that he had been in Pakistan and while there was told something about the history of the tribes that dwell in the mountains and caves.
I think he does have much experience and wisdom to tout. However, his modesty is also a sales point as is his unwillingness to put down his rivals. His style is unpolished and uncanned but authentic and true. Thus his style is in stark contrast to a brilliant performance of Hillary or any other primped and polished political speak by any of the establishment politicians.
I think his Myspace appearance shows that he can nicely convey his message and hit most of the important points while framing them in terms that common people can understand. Those who don't take to the message probably aren't ready for it yet.
How about something like this for a speech
Tuesday morning.
An audience of thousands.
Somewhere in America.
Softly over speakers, the unmistakable theme to the movie braveheart plays, sending chills of warmth down a cold audience.
Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul takes the stage.
"Men and women of America, my brothers and sisters.
I see in your eyes the same fear that would rip the heart from me.
Fear of oppressive taxation, burdensome regulation, and intrusive government in your private matters. Fear your children may be ripped from their mothers breast in the middle of the night and indocrinated in federal run schools. Fear that your most sensitive overtures of love, passion, devotion will be monitered by the eye of the empire in the name of security. Fear that you will die alone, unloved by those you cherished, torn from all sense of familial bond by the cold calculations of government.
Left to rot subsisting on the scraps thrown from the table of your globalist masters. Indeed this day may come,...BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY, An hour of despair when we will betray the constitution and the memory of the founders, bowing before the oppressive feet of the federal government. BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY! This day, WE FIGHT! For all that you would hold precious in this existance,faith, hope, love, FREEDOM! I BID YOU STAND! LOVERS OF LIBERTY!
eloquent paul
Yes. whilst in the back of his mind he is being driven by rock solid grass root support as described so eliquently here:
http://www.newsli.com/2008/02/03/ron-paul-message-muffled-de...
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
Get fired up Read eloquent Paul
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
I guess I'm on both sides of
I guess I'm on both sides of the fence on this issue.
For those who would say "Leave him be, he speaks from the heart and hits you in the gut", I would have to agree.
But there is a majority in this country who are already under the impression that Dr Paul is on the fringe of crazy. It's not due to his ability to deliver a message - it's in their INABILITY to accept it.
He speaks on the economic situation in this country at every opportunity - but he does it with terminology that the average citizen can't understand. It sounds like jibberish to them.
Tell the average person that the decline in the dollar is due to "The improper and illegal course of the federal reserve in it's continued insistance on creating money out of thin air" and you may as well be saying "Blah blah blah blah blabbady blah blah".
They don't get it. They dont understand it. They can't comprehend what is being said, because they dont want the technical answers - they want the easy ones.
To many of us, what RP says when he speaks is easy to understand. That is mostly because we are informed enough to understand it, we are intelligent enough to comprehend what it means, and we are not interested in listening to the typical "I'm the best candidate because everyone gets free milk and cookies" rhetoric that comes from other candidates.
The 'people' have been groomed to expect, and demand, simple answers to any question. They sit in their homes and offices, and when the topic of politics comes up they want it straight, to the point, without any need for research or grabbing a dictionary - and they want it NOW.
When RP speaks, he doesn't project the answers to those who dont understand the finer points of economics, foreign policy or freedom.
To many people 'freedom' means "I get to live in the United States, pay my taxes, and not worry about going to jail if I follow the rules".
They dont have the desire, or care, to investigate the possibilities that what they consider 'freedom' isn't what they truly deserve.
Other candidates have writers working for them that know exactly what the people want to hear. Even if the words coming from the candidates mouths are total fabrications, lies or severely stretched truths, the people respond to those words.
Other candidates talk about how they are going to give every citizen more money, how they are going to fix the dollar, how they are going to end the war, how they are going to fix healthcare. But they dont explain how they intend to do this... or, when they do 'explain' it, they talk about how much money they'll throw at the problem - and leave that as the explanation, without following up on how they plan to get that money.
RP's greatest comment thus far, in my opinion, was about foreign policy. He stated that we need to stay out of other country's business because all that does is anger them, cause them to want to fight against us, and that brings terrorism".
That wasn't his exact words, but that's basically what he said - and it was easy for the average person to understand what he meant.
When he is asked a question about the war, and starts a rant on the economy, the average person looks at it like he is changing the subject.
WE know he isn't changing the subject - but Mr & Mrs undecided voter don't hear 'war fix', they hear 'economy', and that's not what was asked.
I've witnessed it myself. Watching people watch or listen to Dr Paul speak - they lose track of what he's talking about, they dont understand why he's talking about the economy and not 'answering the question' about foreign policy. They dont understand why he is discussing the federal reserve and eliminating income taxes, when the question was about health care.
The average person is incapable of 'connecting the dots', so to speak. They want the answer to the question, short, sweet, and without a need for deep thought to figure out whether the answer was sufficient.
WE, those of us already committed to this Revolution, do not need to be convinced. If we did, we wouldn't be here.
Those out there who still dont know who they'll vote for - or if they'll vote at all - get their info from MSM which, as we know, doesn't exactly give Dr Paul equal time to get his message out to those people who ONLY get their information from MSM.
So, in my opinion, a speechwriter might be exactly what Dr Paul needs.
For those short interviews and the 'few and far between' opportunities that he is given 20 or 30 seconds of MSM air time - he needs to be able to say something that hits home, is easy to understand, and gets the idea planted in the heads of the uncommitted.
Only that will cause people to want to learn more. They'll go to the internet, or wherever they find their information, and start to look up more information on Dr Paul. That's when they can be hooked and reeled in with the longer 'versions' of the message.
Trying to use the obvious, yet 'off mainstream' bits of information wont get these people involved, or even interested. THey've been told Dr Paul is a kook, a crazy, a fanatic, a leader of loonies.. so that's what they expect to see.
If, for a change, they could see him for the brief moments he appears in MSM as someone with sound ideas that don't need a reference library to understand, they might just give him a chance to make his case.
But, thats my opinion. He doesn't need to 'sell' us.. we're sold. It's all those 'buyers' out there that aren't planning to spend their vote at all, who still believe an election is choosing between the lesser of two evils, who need to be reached.
My opinioin, of course.
CF
I'm really corny
I agree with much of what is being said here.(as an outsider).
Bear with me please;-
Ipod had a good launch. It's a tremendous product. many people were sold on the advertising and the reviews before anybody could actually buy one. (This is on going with Ron Paul)
Some waited for a buddy to buy one before deciding. (So we now have some detail coming out) Your buddy is more brave and probably knows about these new fangly gadgets.
It is at this point you start to want to know more about it before parting with your money-right? (undecided but willing)
"what does that function do-can you explain it a bit more. - Do I need this?"
This is why we need to discuss some more detail on Daily Paul so we can elabourate on what Ron Paul is saying. We need to polish the message up. Please!
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
Using the ipod as an example
Using the ipod as an example is a wonderful comparison.
To shorten the whole novel I just wrote into something smaller would be to say,
People need to understand what the Revolution is about, and what it means for them on a personal level. The people who need to understand this are not 'economically savvy', so they have to be told in short sentences, with easy to understand words.
Greatest Speech I Ever Heard
Dr. Ron Paul delivered the best speech I ever heard. He covered everything, economics,foreign policy, Federal Reserve, personal responsibility, history, war on drugs, etc. He not only stated the problems of the U.S. but gave the solutions to solve them. Dr. Paul may not have the delivery of great speakers but no one has better content. Ron Paul's character and intelligence is far superior than anyone else, it is not funny.
For the rest of my life anytime politics is ever mentioned in conversation, I will say Dr. Ron Paul was the greatest statesman in my life time. History will be very kind indeed to Dr. Paul.
You haven't been getting chills?
I'm on the edge of my seat every time Ron Paul opens his mouth. It didn't occur to me that anyone could have him speak the truth more clearly.
"Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come*
Leave him alone...
RP is not polished.
RP is not eloquent.
RP is not a walking sound-bite.
But...
None of that matters. When I first heard him speak, he struck me deep in my gut. It hit me hard. I venture to say he did that to the rest of you reading this as well.
Why?
Because he wasn't polished, eloquent, and her didn't sound like a walking sound-bite. I personally can see right through the rest of the elitist, pandering sh*t-bags. Their rhetoric means nothing to me, because I can tell they aren't go to follow through. They say one thing to one group, and the complete opposite to another. They want to get elected to maintain power... not to fix things.
Ron Paul speaks his mind. He speaks the truth. He sometimes gets a little flustered, and he sounds like a mean 'ol man scolding his grandkids for doing something wrong... but that's what this country needs. A stubborn, mean old codger, someone who's been around long enough to know what's going on... and who probably won't be around long enough to worrry about what others think about him.
He's perfect. Leave him be. His "realness", his down-to-earth speech, the fact that you know he's telling you the truth and not just pumping you full of pandering rhetoric... that's why people get behind him.
You support him, do you not? When you first heard him speak, did you think, "Man, that guy could use a speech writer." Probably not. You probably were thinking the same thing I was... "Who is this guy who dares to speak the truth? Wow... he's not sugar-coating his speech... or pandering to me or anyone else. He's not afraid to say the hard things... the things that might lose you votes. This guy might actually DO SOMETHING!"
The only criticism I can give is that he's not getting personal enough with the other candidates. They are insulting, degrading and mocking him, and snickering when he talks. That's personal. He needs to get more personal back with them. "Oh, what I'm saying is funny to you, huh? Well, the American people don't think the Iraq war is funny. 4000 dead soldiers and 100's of thousands of dead Iraqi's don't think it's funny. A national debt that is growing $3 billion a day is not funny. Our dollar being worth half of what it was worth 5 years ago is not funny. None of this is funny to the American people. I'm the only one who is offering real solutions to these problems. What you are proposing is only going to make things worse."
He speaks the truth.
Ron Paul Needs a Speech Writer
Non-Sense! Ron Paul is a STRAIGHT Talker not a Demagogue.
Pretty speeches don't get the job done. Lofty sounding speeches only work for the crowds who want to be fooled. Those who have no appreciation of history and are dumb as counterfeit dollars. They want to hear lofty sounding words come out of the mouths of their heroes because these made up heroes are like security blankets to the uneducated hordes, who after listening to the speech can't even tell you what their "hero" said!
There are exceptions of course. General McArthur's famous West Point Farwell Address. But he delivered his speech without a single note. He did it as Ron Paul does it today - ad lib style! Those who heard him live and those who heard him via a recording were educated people who understood what Douglas McArthur was talking about.
Ron Paul is no Barrack Obama; he is no Bill Clinton. That is what makes him great. He is genuine. He says it like it is without the use of rose colored glass. His words are clear. And that is what gives his message the power that caught your attention.
It is the sound of truth coming out of a true statesmans' mouth that we have longed to hear. He delivers and he delivers! Our problem is that some of us want Ron Paul to emulate the style of the demagogue. That, my friend, he will never do. And thank God for that!
archtoplee
He tells the stark truth - almost non-existant in Washington
I don't think he needs to change the message for people like us (who do research on candidates), however, the remaining sheeple seem to respond only to "shock" speeches.(symptom of Attention Defeceit Disorder)
A good example is the applause that Guilani got at the early debate when he blasted Ron Paul's statement that "they attack us because of our foreign policy (bombing, occupation)". The "absurd" rant was applauded simply becuase it was delivered with shock and emotion even though Guilani was wrong. (and was replayed over and over on every MSM station)
He has the ability to do it!
Remember his response "... this idea of asking lawyers if we can go to war?! .... just look at the constitution.!!!.."
Or the debate answer "...let me get this straight... we borrow $10b from China...give it to a dictator in Pakistan... and say we support democracy in Iraq..?"
We understand that Dr Paul has the winning message (if it gets heard).
Greatest STRENGTHS
1. The Messenger - Dr Ron Paul's courage
2. The Message
3. The Money
4. The Masses - strong supporters like you
5. The Media of the new age (Internet)
The OBSTACLES are not primarily the other candidates, they are:
1. Old Media censorship
2. Voter apathy (don't care) (turned off by politics of other candidates)(and Attention Deficeit Disorder)
3. Voter ignorance (don't know) (Dr Paul's message)
4. Attacks - Smears, distortions, lies, political maneuvers
5. Diebold? (Had to put that one in for our CT friends : )
The goal is to fight/solve the obstacles and use/enhance our strengths.
Add ideas of how to accomplish this to the Comments or Topics
He gives pretty good speeches
in front of his supporters but his responses to the questions by the media during the debates often fail to deliver his message. The basic reason for that is that he continues to regard the duty of speaking his mind as more important than the necessity of communicating what is going on in his mind.
Some observations which might be useful for him.
1. Earlier it seemed he was always trying to convince the interviewer. That was too high a goal for the limited airtime that he got. Now he tries to summarize all his beliefs in the answer to any question. That takes a lot of time, too many 'threads' are started but none gets communicated. It might be OK when he is speaking to older folk but I was shocked to see that he tried to do the same thing with the MTV audience!. To communicate to the younger folk ( who are not already his supporters) he has to assume the role of a wise teacher and leader.
Specifically he needs to appreciate that:
a. There is a huge difference between the attention span of his generation and the current one. It has shortened considerably.
b. Years of standardized didactics have taught people to think in ‘points’ or ‘bullets’, not in paragraphs. Long unpunctuated sentences are a complete no no.
The interviewer’s question should be used as a cue to speak to the audience. The audience cannot be convinced in a 30 seconds or even 10 minutes. The audience can though be informed and attracted. To do that you should simply state his conclusions/positions in response to the first question. He can then give the justification in the form of points in favor of his argument.
If he wants to address a different question then he can go on a tangent (like McWar and everyone else does) but then stick to the topic he has arrived at and not change course within the sentence by using 'but' and 'no'.
Some other observations:
1. People do not appreciate the nuances of these issues:
a. The difference between his individual positions on issues and powers as President. They believe that whatever he believes in will happen the day he becomes President.
b. What is meant by a strict constitutionalist. Does it mean that only the original constitution is valid or you can only do things that are sanctioned by the constitution (which can be amended). Even Tim Russert was not clear on that.
c. "Printing money": I am amazed that he uses those words in every answer to any question that he is asked but chooses to ignore adding "not backed by anything".
Anyways, I am sure people on this forum will say that this is a negative approach and not regard it as constructive criticism. "We need to ignore the negatives and concentrate on the positives", much in the same 'moral' way the republican party defends Bush.
Truly constructive criticism. Thank you.
This is the sort of post that informs without a heavy negative bias. I know there are plenty more Ron Paul supporters lurking on the DP who understand the nuances of which you speak. It is up to those 'veterans' who have witnessed wave after wave of new supporters coming to the DP to help newer supporters take a step back to see the bigger picture. Each of us goes through our own stages of anger, frustration, elation, high hopes and all the others that have so energized this revolution. I would hope that the wiser of us will continue to interject some sanity to these discussions. I don't consider myself among the 'wiser' members here...and I do appreciate wisdom from people of all ages.
The meaning behind my screen name
The battle of Gonzales, TX. (Oct. 1835)
Constuctive
I agree with some of the other comments. This site needs to go back abit.
Let's talk about the issues with direct relevence to Ron Paul.
There are new visitors to this site.
I want to know about how gold and silver coinage is going to work/banking,writing cheques,buying a car,etc?
I want to know how the wind down of the IRS is going to work.
IWTK some detail on the Fed wind down. when is the plug going to be pulled on the printer?
More detail please- although obviously Ron Paul will want to play many cards close to his chest at this time. I support Ron Paul 100% and I've read some detail but I watched the MTV debate with my other hat on and whilst he scored highly I felt that if I came to DP I wouldn't find out much.
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
Nice analysis
Are you in a professional speaking position (sales, contract proposals, CEO, etc)?
No I am not
these are just my observations.